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Number Ten Cocks posted:Is brand positioning that important in the bed-wetting anime pervert space? Maybe it's more crowded than I knew. He wants to get a syndrome named after him and his hosed up deformed head and cognitive disability might not be enough.
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ChickenWing posted:Again, that's not how it came across to me at all. It's mentioned multiple times throughout the book that students sometimes have mental breaks as a result of sympathy or not washing their hands between alchemy and dinner or whatever and Auri is fairly obviously put up as an example of this. quote:She knew. She should have moved more gently with the world. She knew the way of things. She knew if you weren't always stepping lightly as a bird the whole world came apart to crush you. Like a house of cards. Like a bottle against stones. Like a wrist pinned hard beneath a hand with the hot breath smell of want and wine... It's about as explicit as you can get without her actually going "and then he raped me." As for her being sexualized, there isn't as much I feel in the narrative to support that, but she is absolutely a grown woman that is heavily infantilized, the depiction of her mental illness is offensively twee, and she like every character in the book only exists to prop up Kvothe rather than being an individual with realistic depth.
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CerealCrunch posted:He wants to get a syndrome named after him and his hosed up deformed head and cognitive disability might not be enough. You seem to have some manner of personal grudge against me
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May 9, 2016 23:19
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ChickenWing posted:Huh? Why is this important? Is age not a normal part of descriptions? The description concentrates on being descriptive from a first-person POV, like you are seeing her for the first time. It starts with her movements, "scamper up the tree like a squirrel", to her physical state "shorter than me by almost a foot. She was thin .... Her cheeks were hollow and her bare arms waifishly narrow ... long hair was so fine that it trailed her, floating in the air like a cloud" Adults don't "scamper up the tree", they are not generally "waifishly narrow" and it's a reasonable expectation to expect people that are small, thin, shorter than the 15 year old narrator by a foot, and scampering up trees like a squirrel to be children. The description is one thing, the narrator's declaration is another. Possibly Rothfuss is subverting a trope here.
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May 10, 2016 02:26
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jivjov posted:You seem to have some manner of personal grudge against me lol, no one gives a gently caress about you, idiot.
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May 10, 2016 02:57
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I just automatically assumed she was part of Kvothe's harem on account of every other Eligible Female Bachelor being part of Kvothe's harem. It's like a black hole, roughly; there's nothing explicitly there, at least to people without a tweescope or waifovision or whatever Auri is supposed to be channeling, but we can kind of infer its existence by the matter surrounding it.
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Reene posted:It's about as explicit as you can get without her actually going "and then he raped me." Oh wow whoops yep that's pretty blatant. I missed that particular bit. As for the multitude of "I am unable to handle the twee" comments - different strokes for different folks, I guess. I thought she was pretty adorably written, if a bit shallow as a character. Definitely not overused enough for me to get sick of her appearances.
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I also really like Auri, but it's a liking that comes from sort of forgetting certain things about her. I always forget that she's supposed to be a grown woman who is also a victim of rape, and not somebody maybe a year or two older than Kvothe who burnt their mind out mentally. I forget these things because they're never important to her character, or her interactions with Kvothe. She's got the backstory of a tragic character, but is instead written as an anime cat girl. Auri is a cute character that ostensibly serves as a warning for Kvothe after just having a chapter about sympathetic burnout, but who has a tragic past tacked on so that she's not just a whimsical fairy child that he happens to meet.
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Too bad her back story is contained 100% in a self fellating novel and not bits and pieces in the 5000 pages of written word in the main books. Guess her character is less important than money conversions.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Too bad her back story is contained 100% in a self fellating novel and not bits and pieces in the 5000 pages of written word in the main books. Guess her character is less important than money conversions. Her implicit backstory - student who burned her brain out but either escaped from or wasn't quite badly enough off to be sent to the Rookery - in The Name of the Wind is better than anything added in Slow Regard.
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True enough, but given that's all the back story she gets in 5000 pages tells me she isn't important to the story....but we all know she is gonna be absolutely instrumental in events coming up. Either directly or indirectly. Actually, besides Kvothe, I'm having trouble thinking of any characters that are really well fleshed out. Maybe Devi?
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Solice Kirsk posted:True enough, but given that's all the back story she gets in 5000 pages tells me she isn't important to the story....but we all know she is gonna be absolutely instrumental in events coming up. Dude, there are any events ever coming up. Give it a rest, the series is over.
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ulmont posted:Her implicit backstory - student who burned her brain out but either escaped from or wasn't quite badly enough off to be sent to the Rookery - in The Name of the Wind is better than anything added in Slow Regard. Exactly. She was an interesting enough character without Rothfuss trying to have to make her interesting. To why/how she might be important, my best guess is that she'll be an example to point to for when Kvothe turns to Kote. He'll burn himself out trying to impress Denna, will scurry back to University to look for help, and will only have Auri to lean on. She teaches him a trick or something to at least keep his mind from dying entirely, and he uses "unremarkable business owner" as a touchstone, in place of Auri's "sing-song fairy woman". SpacePig fucked around with this message at 18:23 on May 10, 2016 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:True enough, but given that's all the back story she gets in 5000 pages tells me she isn't important to the story....but we all know she is gonna be absolutely instrumental in events coming up. Either directly or indirectly. Even if we ever got a Book 3, I suspect Auri has already done everything she's ever going to do to push the plot of the Kingkiller Chronicles forward, viz. letting Kvothe into the Archives.
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SpacePig posted:Exactly. She was an interesting enough character without Rothfuss trying to have to make her interesting. Roll a D20 please.
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I want to make a post wherein we collectively try to write a better unreliable narrator story than patrick Rothfuss. I am both terrified at what the result would be, and that I still think it could be successful.
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ulmont posted:Even if we ever got a Book 3, I suspect Auri has already done everything she's ever going to do to push the plot of the Kingkiller Chronicles forward, viz. letting Kvothe into the Archives. Slow Regard pretty much shows us she's a namer so I'm guessing she's going to play a bigger part later. Edit: If I was a gambler, I'd guess she's the one that changes his name to Kote. Dienes fucked around with this message at 20:47 on May 10, 2016 |
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Dienes posted:Slow Regard pretty much shows us she's a namer so I'm guessing she's going to play a bigger part later. Wow that's not what I got from it at all, although with introspection that may just mean I'm an idiot. It didn't seem like there was any ~magic~ naming (or even allusions to it) in the book though. In all honesty before I read Slow Regard I thought she might actually be fae, because that could potentially have explained some stuff.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Dude, there are any events ever coming up. Give it a rest, the series is over. There's a third book at least; possibly more.
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jivjov posted:There's a third book at least; possibly more. woosh tbh I don't know if that's for you or me but there it is
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jivjov posted:There's a third book at least; possibly more. What's the release date.
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ChickenWing posted:Wow that's not what I got from it at all, although with introspection that may just mean I'm an idiot. It didn't seem like there was any ~magic~ naming (or even allusions to it) in the book though. Its how she made the shaped candle. And she made a new name for Kvote to give him when he needed it.
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ESTRAGON: I can't go on like this. VLADIMIR: That's what you think. ESTRAGON: If we parted? That might be better for us. VLADIMIR: We'll hang ourselves tomorrow. (Pause.) Unless Godot comes. ESTRAGON: And if he comes? VLADIMIR: We'll be saved.
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you're a mob of hooting goons and i would be happy if you all got ravished to death by the sex fairy
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Number Ten Cocks posted:What's the release date. Unless Rothfuss has announced it in the last day or two, I don't think it has one yet.
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jivjov posted:Unless Rothfuss has announced it in the last day or two, I don't think it has one yet. So you obsessively check up on him every 48 hours? And you still think a book is coming out some day?
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Number Ten Cocks posted:So you obsessively check up on him every 48 hours? And you still think a book is coming out some day? No? I just would think that if he had announced a release date lately someone would have posted it here in the thread. And yes, he has not announced a cancellation of Doors of Stone, so I have no reason to believe that it isn't coming.
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You know how a Guns'n'Roses reunion tour was long only thought possible if Slash and Axl happened to both be broke at the same time? Well, here we are and there's a Guns'n'Roses reunion. So, it was possible after all. It just took decades and certainly wasn't something people seriously expected. That's the situation with Doors of Stone. It will never officially be cancelled, but no announcements on it will be made until all of his other revenue sources dry up and he's spent his last dime on an anime girl pillow.
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I'm hoping that Doors of Stone will take a totally unexpected turn. Imagine Kote/Kvothe as Blackadder, a self-indulgent, narcissistic, compulsive liar. What Doors of Stone needs is Lord Flashheart. Somebody who's going to barge in from page 1, announce to the whole world what a git the protagonist is, and then proceed to demolish the previous two books by deconstructing all the key passages, pointing out outright lies and exaggerations and emphasising what a twat Kvothe is. The last book being a complete demolition of the first two, would be very satisfying.
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Trammel posted:I'm hoping that Doors of Stone will take a totally unexpected turn. Chronicler pulls off his elaborate mask, revealing he's actually Ambrose.
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I'd rather Kote be Ambrose, old and guilt ridden after killing Kvothe to the extent he takes up his old enemy's name and spreads his legend while vilifying himself. The prose is overwrought and nonsensical because Ambrose is a hack poet and the characterization one-dimensional because he wants Kvothe in the best possible light and himself as a mustache twirling villain, yet enough of his old self remains that he has unconsciously painted Kvothe as kind of a douche also. He doesn't actually know that much about Kvothe's past so the story just nonsensically transitions from one phase to another, following the broad strokes he is aware of. Kvothe's inexplicable hatred of poetry is a reflection of Ambrose's own self-loathing. Bast is like, Kvothe's ghost or something.
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While that's interesting and all, in order to get to the twist you have to read thousands of pages of poo poo.
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Atlas Hugged posted:While that's interesting and all, in order to get to the twist you have to read thousands of pages of poo poo. Well it depends. Imagine Rothfuss simply up & died, leaving no notes or materials behind for Doors of Stone. The executors of his estate nominate you to decide what to do with his next proposed novel. Do you look at the previous two, and just say, "Nope, nothing worth continuing there" Or maybe, "I can hire somebody to continue in the same vein/voice. Unless you've been truly poor, you'll never understand." Or maybe, "Well, lets take this somewhere new and interesting, without worrying about the time spent and costs involved in the first two books -- we can't alter those initial costs anyway."
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Let's say that I am, in theory, an up-and-comer in the fantasy genre and somebody taps me to finish this. Why in the world would I waste a potentially great idea on somebody else's books, when I could take the same basic concept and just write my own?
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Nakar posted:Let's say that I am, in theory, an up-and-comer in the fantasy genre and somebody taps me to finish this. Why in the world would I waste a potentially great idea on somebody else's books, when I could take the same basic concept and just write my own? Because at a minimum it would be a hell of a pay day, which is no small thing. Beyond that, if you wrote a good book, the exposure you'd get from "wasting" that idea on someone else's series (potentially) far eclipses what'd you'd see if you wrote your own story. Of course there is a vanishingly small set of examples of the latter working in someone's favor - Sanderson is really the only one I can think of, and he was well on his way to Making It before Jordan tapped him to finish WoT. The former seems more likely to get into a franchise situation (Tom Clancy).
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You would have to write thousands of pages of poo poo. I say just let the professionals handle it
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Trammel posted:Well it depends. Imagine Rothfuss simply up & died, leaving no notes or materials behind for Doors of Stone. The executors of his estate nominate you to decide what to do with his next proposed novel. I, as the reader, got halfway through Name of the Wind. Then I never bothered with the second book. If I heard Rothfuss had choked to death on a token for his new board game and an up and coming author had been tapped to finish the series, I wouldn't touch the first book again or the second book and the third book could be simply amazing and I'd still never read it because I have too many things to do and not enough hours in the day to go back and read a bunch of poo poo.
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Just read the third book then. Nothing of any real import happens in the other two anyways. I mean, unless you're the kind of guy that likes to know all about the school life of a king/angel killing battle mage musician.
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Xy Hapu posted:I'd rather Kote be Ambrose, old and guilt ridden after killing Kvothe to the extent he takes up his old enemy's name and spreads his legend while vilifying himself. The prose is overwrought and nonsensical because Ambrose is a hack poet and the characterization one-dimensional because he wants Kvothe in the best possible light and himself as a mustache twirling villain, yet enough of his old self remains that he has unconsciously painted Kvothe as kind of a douche also. He doesn't actually know that much about Kvothe's past so the story just nonsensically transitions from one phase to another, following the broad strokes he is aware of. Kvothe's inexplicable hatred of poetry is a reflection of Ambrose's own self-loathing. Bast is like, Kvothe's ghost or something. That would truly be an amazing twist. All would be forgiven.
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