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Soul Glo posted:Starks returning order to the North makes a lot of sense, narratively. He'll stand trial, then get the axe. Sansa will be Lord(ess?) while Jon fucks off to ride dragons in the last season. knowing this show, he'll pull a Tyrion and escape from prison, go to Essos, kidnap Dany, and conquer all of Westeros on the back of the big black dragon last shot of the show is Ramsay sitting on the Iron Throne
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Zaphod42 posted:Really its the show catching up to the books that hosed everything up. By all logic they should be dragging the show out and doing 2 seasons per book instead of blowing through 3 books in one season to catch up so they can do their own thing and spoil book readers. I think the problem is he cares too much, his behaviour makes so much more sense when you picture him as a nerdy procratinator only a couple of decades older. Only instead of missing deadlines for essays and homework, he's missing publishing deadlines. The same generic justifications like I'll just try harder tomorrow and I work best under pressure. When the deadline approaches you start writing again but it's far too late and once you've missed that deadline you go back to your old behaviour thinking you have plenty of time to do it. You're stressed and want to relax and even thinking about this important task is stressful. GRRM's said he became briefly addicted to video games and he probably lost one or two books to that so blame Mario for the series being incomplete. He's under immense pressure to finish TWOW, it's probably all strangers ask him about and it's going to be heavily scrutinised when it comes out. If the reaction is negative like for the last few books it''s going to hurt. So he delays working on the most important project and distracts himself with Wild Cards instead because no one cares about it. There's not as much pressure to get everything right and he can say he's writing. I wonder if the books are a victim of their own success and if they'd remained popular within the fantasy genre he'd be finished by now. If Wild Cards somehow became popular he'd be distracting himself with Winds. Writers hate being typecast and only known for one thing, he's written quite a lot of sci-fi but people only care about ASOIAF. If he didn't care, he'd just hire a ghost writer and all he'd have to do is review his work and offer corrections. People are so desperate they'll buy anything and GRRM isn't known for his prose so if he just wanted money that's what he'd do. The ghost writer can finish the books and GRRM can go back to what he enjoys. It's what I would do if I were nearing 70 years old, I'd go on holiday and conventions, get my arse kissed by fans and basically anything that's not sitting alone typing. He doesn't have children so the books are his legacy which is why he went through the trouble of asking for his notes to be burned so no one else can finish the series. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 19:54 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 19:52
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MrSlam posted:Time for me to walk away from this thread until the season's over. I want my disappointment to be genuine when it comes up and slaps me in the face. Yeah same. I'm here to talk about book spoilers but I don't really want to read show leaks so I guess I'll see myself out for now. Ague Proof posted:I think the problem is he cares too much, his behaviour makes so much more sense when you picture him as a nerdy procratinator only a couple of decades older. Only instead of missing deadlines for essays and homework, he's missing publishing deadlines. The same generic justifications like I'll just try harder tomorrow and I work best under pressure. When the deadline approaches you start writing again but it's far too late and once you've missed that deadline you go back to your old behaviour thinking you have plenty of time to do it. Yeah I can also see this too. The more popular the show gets the more people are scrutinizing every single detail of the series and its making him become more and more concerned about doing everything perfectly, and so he's never actually "finished".
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May 11, 2016 19:53
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onemillionzombies posted:I completely believe all of it. Yup, that's all going to happen. Spoilers for the season: Lol at them pulling a "he must stand trial for his crimes" with Ramsay after everything Sansa and Jon have been through.
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May 11, 2016 20:00
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Max posted:Yup, that's all going to happen. The stupidest thing about that is its apparently not going to get resolved this season
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May 11, 2016 20:05
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Roman Reigns posted:The stupidest thing about that is its apparently not going to get resolved this season Calling it now, Ramsay escapes and finds the horn of winter. He blows it, the wall crumbles, and he becomes the night's king somehow (maybe stabs the night king in the gut idk). The final conflict is dragon riders vs white walker Ramsay and his army of the dead
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May 11, 2016 20:13
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah same. I'm here to talk about book spoilers but I don't really want to read show leaks so I guess I'll see myself out for now. I think he might have been the last person to realise the show would overtake the books. It used to be a joke that this would happen yet after a few seasons it became obvious it was inevitable, but GRRM kept talking about how there was enough material in Feast and Dance for 3 seasons. GRRM posted:The season that’s about to debut covers the second half of the third book. The third book [A Storm of Swords] was so long that it had to be split into two. But there are two more books beyond that, A Feast for Crowsand A Dance with Dragons. A Dance with Dragons is itself a book that’s as big as A Storm of Swords. So there’s potentially three more seasons there, between Feast and Dance, if they split into two the way they did [with Storms]. Now, Feastand Dance take place simultaneously. So you can’t do Feast and then Dance the way I did. You can combine them and do it chronologically. And it’s my hope that they’ll do it that way and then, long before they catch up with me, I’ll have published The Winds of Winter, which’ll give me another couple years. It might be tight on the last book, A Dream of Spring, as they juggernaut forward. It was delusional. The last few years he's been releasing TWOW chapters that relate with the show and how they differ, maybe so the show doesn't spoil material he's written. The Mercy chapter came before Arya killed someone in the inn with Sandor, both taking names off her list. The Alayne chapter with build up of Littlefinger's grand tournament and the Harry plot before we saw Sweetrobin fighting another boy with a wooden stick and being mocked by Royce. Recently with the Arianne chapter where no characters from the show appear. In his New Years update he talked about how he really wanted TWOW to be about before season 6 aired and how he kept saying it would be finished in a few months before having to admit the show would come first. He knew the show would finish before the planned ADOS but he probably wanted to be the one to drop the twist that's been set up from the beginning, the bombshell that is Rhaegar and Lyanna = Jon. Everyone knows it'll happen but it'll still be a major scene, maybe the defining moment of the series. So he had a great motivation to finish the book quickly but now there's no point so he'll think there's no rush. Bltant procrastination. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 20:19 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 20:15
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FogHelmut posted:Its stupid enough that I believe it.
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In It For The Tank posted:Lol nevermind Not only is it not a new chapter (he's read it at cons before), it means we're probably going to get more Dorne in the show soon because GRRM has been releasing sample chapter as passive aggressive digs at the show for the last two seasons. [/quote] How are they digs at the show
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May 11, 2016 20:19
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Did they not care enough to spoil dany/meereen or did you just leave that out Because lol if the former
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May 11, 2016 20:23
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the show is gonna reveal Jon's parents way before the book ever comes out, and GRRM will change it in the book so that he really was just Ned's bastard and all the TOJ stuff is a red herring
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May 11, 2016 20:24
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Ague Proof posted:So he delays working on the most important project and distracts himself with Wild Cards instead because no one cares about it. Good news, I guess, is that when the show finishes his story in a sloppy mess, no one will care about it any more and he won't be under pressure to finish it. Going to be great when the publisher sticks a 'Based on the hit TV Show!' sticker on Dream of Spring to bump its sales.
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May 11, 2016 20:26
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my bony fealty posted:the show is gonna reveal Jon's parents way before the book ever comes out, and GRRM will change it in the book so that he really was just Ned's bastard and all the TOJ stuff is a red herring A + N = J
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May 11, 2016 20:26
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To be the fly on the wall when GRRM learned the readers completely figured out Jon's parents.
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May 11, 2016 20:26
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Azazell0 posted:A + N = J and Lyanna's baby is actually Dany, Preston Jacobs is just a pseudonym GRRM used to reveal the truth before the show could
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May 11, 2016 20:31
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Dongicus posted:How are they digs at the show The Mercy chapter was released like a day or so before the Season 4 premiere, presumably so GRRM could show he came up with idea of Arya avenging Lommy by making his killer repeat his pleas for help. The Alayne chapter was released before (or maybe during) Season 5, presumably so GRRM could do the opposite: disassociate himself from any responsibility for Sansa's disastrous Season 5 plotline. And this Alayne chapter was released during Season 6, as if to reiterate that characters in Dorne aren't retards.
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May 11, 2016 20:33
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my bony fealty posted:and Lyanna's baby is actually Dany, Preston Jacobs is just a pseudonym GRRM used to reveal the truth before the show could He's even trying to get ASOIAF fans to read his other books. quote:Lysono Maar spoke the Common Tongue very well. “I have the honor to be the eyes and ears of the Golden Company, princess.” Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 20:37 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 20:33
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Ague Proof posted:He's even trying to get ASOIAF fans to read his other books. Perhaps while waiting for the next installment of ASOIAF you should read acclaimed author George R R Martin's "Wildcards"!
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Ague Proof posted:He's even trying to get ASOIAF fans to read his other books. quote:“Oh, even prettier. Though if truth be told, I have only seen the one.” Maar took her hand in his own, and kissed her lightly on the wrist. “Jon Snow, the legitimate child of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Aegon is really a Blackfyre. Mistwood sent word of your coming, sweet princess. We will be honored to escort you to the Roost, but I fear you have missed Lord Connington and our young prince.” Wait is that an actual excerpt from the released chapter? I didn't know that RLJ being true and Aegon being a Blackfyre had actually been confirmed (depending on whether that guy is just bullshitting or not, I guess) e: nm I fell for it 
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May 11, 2016 20:44
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Haha if the reason Hodor can only say Hodor is because Bran warged into him in the past and commanded him to "Hold Door".
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May 11, 2016 20:49
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I don't think GRRM would write "Aegon is really a Blackfyre." but uhh maybe he would at this point
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colonel_korn posted:Wait is that an actual excerpt from the released chapter? I didn't know that RLJ being true and Aegon being a Blackfyre had actually been confirmed (depending on whether that guy is just bullshitting or not, I guess)
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May 11, 2016 21:01
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onemillionzombies posted:To be the fly on the wall when GRRM learned the readers completely figured out Jon's parents. I don't think he's dumb enough not to realize someone wouldn't re-read the first book at some point and get that the fact that it's significant that Ned's thoughts frequently drift to the blue flowers Lyanna was clinging to as she died and the amount of blood present. Either that, or he's just a big fan of The Smithereens.
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Soul Glo posted:Sansa will be Lord(ess?). She would be "Lady Stark" (e: or Lady of Winterfell, Wardeness of the North, Queen of the North, maybe Riverlands too, who knows). Narmi fucked around with this message at 21:10 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 21:07
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Hahahahaha Every book change - from what happens to the Brotherhood, to the Riverlands story, to what ever the gently caress is happening to the North, sounds completely idiotic. Theon in Essos is the perfect way to ruin one of the few surviving actors on the show lol
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May 11, 2016 21:09
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Theon, upon arriving on the shores of Essos: "Hey everyone, I hear this is where I can find a cock merchant."
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May 11, 2016 21:20
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Max posted:Theon, upon arriving on the shores of Essos: 
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May 11, 2016 21:21
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poo poo I have to avoid this thread now because of those spoilers.
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May 11, 2016 21:21
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Supposedly, these leaks were from the same guy who leaked Stannis's story last season.  A lot of stuff is left out though, so I'm kind of doubting how accurate it is. There's leaked set pics of Jaime and Mace Tyrell leading troops to the sparrow, which is totally left out. No mention of Dany, etc.
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Arcland posted:poo poo I have to avoid this thread now because of those spoilers. Spoiler alert: spoilers in spoiler thread
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May 11, 2016 21:24
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Max posted:Theon, upon arriving on the shores of Essos: lol
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May 11, 2016 21:26
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FogHelmut posted:Spoiler alert: spoilers in spoiler thread Mis typed that. Not so much a complaint but that I'd rather keep as current as the show actually is. Instead of any leaked materials. I agree that the leaks are appropriate for the thread.
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May 11, 2016 21:28
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 this is what actually happens in the battle in ep9. this guy leaked photos as well
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May 11, 2016 21:31
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The spoilers also say nothing about the Freys and we know that Walder Frey is back and *something* is going to happen, probably something hella important I mean there's some reason to be doubtful of those spoilers, but I do bet the contours of it are pretty right
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Its dumb enough that it can be true
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May 11, 2016 21:32
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If you don't want spoilers you can safely chat in the tv thread. At this point all the non-book readers in there seem to have looked up any extraneous information at this point and don't seem to mind discussing the differences in the show. At this point just don't mention the leaked info.
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May 11, 2016 21:33
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I wouldn't be surprised at it being mostly real because there's mostly no progress in the overarching plot.
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After all the other leaks we've gotten that have been proven true, I think you can safely say that all of that is happening.
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May 11, 2016 21:35
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Max posted:Theon, upon arriving on the shores of Essos: "wouldn't it make sense if the cock merchant told him he needed a dwarf cock, and this led him to hunt for tyrion? what else is he gonna do?"
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The part about Ramsay still being alive feels like a troll. It's the opposite of those fanfiction leaks where things like Tyrion riding a dragon and burning Cersei to death happen and it's obviously just what the writer wants to happen. This is too bad to be true. Hopefully.akulanization posted:"wouldn't it make sense if the cock merchant told him he needed a dwarf cock, and this led him to hunt for tyrion? what else is he gonna do?" And what if during the battle for Meereen, he's the one who pretends to be an Unsullied? Ramsay ends up being the cock merchant. 
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