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sullat posted:reorganizing the byzantine patchwork of colonies and client states that represented the eastern half of the empire Nice pun.
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Tao Jones posted:Master of Horse What.
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May 12, 2016 06:41
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James Purefoy's Antony is phenomenal and he also hangs dong a couple of times so basically he's the definitive version for me.
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May 12, 2016 06:53
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sebzilla posted:James Purefoy's Antony is phenomenal and he also hangs dong a couple of times so basically he's the definitive version for me. Stopping an entire column so he can rape a passing peasant woman while in uniform was an interesting personality touch
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May 12, 2016 07:01
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andrew smash posted:Stopping an entire column so he can rape a passing peasant woman while in uniform was an interesting personality touch He couldn't very well get the column to stop out of uniform.
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May 12, 2016 07:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd_kh3V1aTM & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-a9E1q4lSc Possibly two of the best Mark Anthony scene in HBO Rome. Dalael fucked around with this message at 07:18 on May 12, 2016 |
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May 12, 2016 07:04
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I think Mark Antony was doomed to be pilloried by history given two of the people who most hated him in the world were Cicero and Augustus.
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May 12, 2016 09:46
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Dalael posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd_kh3V1aTM & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-a9E1q4lSc The best one is actually where you learn he has a dwarf servant called Cato whom he dresses up in crappy poor-man's robes like the actual Cato.
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May 12, 2016 10:13
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peer posted:The best one is actually where you learn he has a dwarf servant called Cato whom he dresses up in crappy poor-man's robes like the actual Cato. That's it, I'm watching Rome again. Content: Does anyone have recommendations for a good place to start learning about Indian history in this era? My knowledge of the Indian subcontinent is mostly "Well, it was there, because Alexander's campaigns stretched that far, then ... some time later, it was conquered by Britain through the cunning use of flags."
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May 12, 2016 12:25
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Anthony must have been competent for Caesar to have trusted him. The Caesar Anthony team is basically the prototype for Augustus Agripa. Even if Augustus hated him, he had to see the value in having a powerful general as his right hand man.
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May 12, 2016 12:48
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packetmantis posted:What. Master of Horse is a fairly common title but it often means different stuff depending on what country/time period you're talking about. In some places it's just a ceremonial role, in some places you're the head of the royal bodyguard, in others you are literally the overseer of the royal stables, etc. For the Romans the Master of Horse was sort of a lieutenant, probably second in command, that commanded the cavalry since the leader (in this case Caesar) is always Master of Infantry. I think there are some ceremonial/minor political duties associated with the role as well but I can't say for sure.
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May 12, 2016 13:45
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Antonius was fine but got buried in successive propaganda waves from first the optimates and then Augustus.
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May 12, 2016 13:58
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Jerusalem posted:I think Mark Antony was doomed to be pilloried by history given two of the people who most hated him in the world were Cicero and Augustus. Sorry yeah this was my point better said.
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May 12, 2016 13:59
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Master of Horse is a fairly common title but it often means different stuff depending on what country/time period you're talking about. In some places it's just a ceremonial role, in some places you're the head of the royal bodyguard, in others you are literally the overseer of the royal stables, etc. For the Romans the Master of Horse was sort of a lieutenant, probably second in command, that commanded the cavalry since the leader (in this case Caesar) is always Master of Infantry. I think there are some ceremonial/minor political duties associated with the role as well but I can't say for sure. There master of horse was second of command to the Dictator during times of Dictatorship which of course the time of GJC was one.
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Vavrek posted:That's it, I'm watching Rome again. I've tried looking for some of this myself and came up with very little so if you find a good source please post about it. From what I can tell there really isn't a lot to go by because the invasions during the 13th century trashed a lot of the material on the era so unless you want to read about anything other than a handful of books about the Mauryan dynasty and specifically about Chandragupta or Ashoka you're poo poo out of luck. Then again, Ashoka is pretty awesome, but most of what we know is tainted by myth. India apparently underwent a lot of internecine warfare wherein one kingdom would expand as far as possible within the subcontinent and then collapse and another would rise to take its place, but aside from some inscriptions on copper dishes good luck finding stuff that was written down. If you want an interesting insight into the minds of rulers read the arthasastra - it's a guide to statecraft that gets attributed to the legendary statesmen Kautilya (or however you choose to spell or say it) the adviser to Chandragupta Mauryan, but just be aware that claim to be from one source is a load of poo poo and a lot of what's in it was added well after the classical period (my copy has a reference to arquebusiers). It is a very dry read though so try not to fall asleep.
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The study of history in India has classically been very lacking - it's not that there wasn't much writing, they wrote absolutely tons on philosophy and various sciences (for example linguistics in the West didn't come anywhere near Panini but in the 19th century). It's just that historiography didn't really exist except for some very limited contexts. That may or may not have to do with Indian philosophical traditions, compared to those of Europe and China.
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I'd really like a narrative history of the Parthians and Sassanids, but I'm not sure if such a thing exists or if the Persians wrote too terribly much down themselves or if we're just left with Roman stories about them.
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I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting?
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May 13, 2016 05:34
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Sexy and violent ones. Not necessarily in that order or separated.
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May 13, 2016 05:45
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Can't go wrong with character drama. If you're sticking to Roman history, I'd go with the exile of tarquinius superbus, punic wars, the end of the Republic (sulla through Augustus, maybe with special attention to Antony and Cleopatra), and the Julio-Claudians (just because I like I, Claudius a lot).
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Grand Fromage posted:I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting? I think it would depend on your audience. What interests them? For example, I like architecture and if I knew nothing about the romans, learning the history behind the construction of some of their marvels would be great. For example, learning about the Flavian dynasty and how the colosseum came to be. People who enjoy intrigue and murder might be very interested in learning about Nero or Caligula. Love war? Take your pick of any of the great generals and great conquests of Rome. I honestly don't believe there's a perfect answer to this. It really depends on what kind of audience you're catering to.
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May 13, 2016 05:49
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I hear teens like sex. Practically all they talk about. The architecture answer though is pretty bad.
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Grand Fromage posted:I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting? Punic Wars as a simplified "at some point you just have to stop putting up with bullshit" narrative.
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LingcodKilla posted:
Much like the rest of my posts. Not everyone have the same interest tho and I stand by that answer. 
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Dalael posted:Much like the rest of my posts. Oh I understand I'm just trying to look at it from the eyes of the perpetually distracted teen.
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May 13, 2016 06:12
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Step 1: Show class a slide of the White House. Step 2: Show class a slide with a comparable Roman or Greek building. Step 3: Look for a new job.
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May 13, 2016 06:20
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There was this one guy who's name started with a J that the Romans had executed. A lot of people seemed to find that pretty interesting. Other than that, the end of the Republic. I say this as someone who knows very, very little about Roman history and this is the part I'm most intrigued with. As in, it's the part that has me learning more about Roman history so I can understand it better.
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May 13, 2016 06:23
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Compare the Gracchi and the Kennedys  Fake edit: also, Marius->Eisenhower and Sulla->Patton/MacArthur. Just roll in all of the hamfisted "THIS GUY DID A THING THIS OTHER GUY DID ONCE, THEY MUST BE PROOF OF TIME ECHOES" comparisons and then update your resume.
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Grand Fromage posted:I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting? Tell them ancient stories about adolescence and becoming an adult, like King Oedipus or Electra. e: thinking about it I have a memory of hearing the story of Xerxes whipping the river and thinking it was cool. The Archimedes death ray is another good story even if it's not true e2: visual stuff is good - like art, architecture, weapons, machines, clothes, tools, coins, etc. I think those helped me connect with history fantastic in plastic fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 13, 2016 |
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Grand Fromage posted:I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting? Tie it to something they do every day and ask them why they do that. Then you can connect it back to its origins in Roman society as a holdover to show how what happened then still effects what we do today. One thing I found neat at that age was the idea that roads are standardized to the width of two horses side-by-side. That basic design determine the width of lanes on roads, the width of the cars we drive, essentially everything. Many of the roads we drive on now (at least in Europe) started as cart paths in Roman times, that got improved over the years. But the reason the road is there, that towns exist along it, and everything associated came from it. You can build on other modern social customs and their roots in Roman society as well (probably not anal sex, though). Like the handshake to settle a business deal and stuff like that. Getting kinds to start questioning "why do we do these weird things we do?" is a good eye-opener and brain expander, I've found.
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Deteriorata posted:Tie it to something they do every day and ask them why they do that. Then you can connect it back to its origins in Roman society as a holdover to show how what happened then still effects what we do today. Would you say that north american roads are still based on this same principle?
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I should mention the students in question are Chinese, so there aren't a lot of direct cultural links to the classical past. I do plan to bring up the ones that are there though, and Chinese/Roman relations.
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Dalael posted:Would you say that north american roads are still based on this same principle? Yes, the standard was set in Europe. A cart was pulled by a team of side-by side horses, so American roads developed the same way. A standard size to fit those, then automobiles the same size to fit the now-existing roads, and then everything right down to the size of a garage on a house fundamentally is two horse-butts wide.
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Grand Fromage posted:I should mention the students in question are Chinese, so there aren't a lot of direct cultural links to the classical past. I do plan to bring up the ones that are there though, and Chinese/Roman relations. I guess maybe emphasizing how China was an amazing place that they wanted to get to. Getting to China was a major dream of the West for millennia. Alexander the Great knew there was something out there, but quit. The Romans got there, and established the Silk Road. My assumption is that the Chinese kids will like being told they were the coolest in the world and a lot of the rest of the world's history developed in trying to find better ways to get there. You can compare some of the internal wars the Chinese fought with similar wars fought by the Romans, for the same reasons - and connect that people are the same everywhere, with the same passions.
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May 13, 2016 06:53
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Explain to them even an ancient culture knew how to not poo poo in the streets.
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I'm sure high schoolers will be intensely interested in the minutiae of the Diocletianic reforms.
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Grand Fromage posted:I need some input from people other than me. Imagine you're a high school student who knows literally nothing whatsoever of classical history. By nothing I mean nothing--you may have never even heard of the Romans. What characters/stories/events do you think you'd find the most interesting? Selections from the Pompeii graffiti would probably be a winner. Also, the letter to a legionary from his mom. The prelude to the battle of Pharsalus was something I thought was incredibly interesting when I was that age. The wall and counterwall resulting in a trench warfare situation in a valley between mountains makes it a uniquely modern-like battle that is probably a lot more accessible than classical tactical minutiae. It's one of the stories that really underscores Roman engineering prowess. Jazerus fucked around with this message at 08:47 on May 13, 2016 |
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andrew smash posted:Can't go wrong with character drama. If you're sticking to Roman history, I'd go with the exile of tarquinius superbus, punic wars, the end of the Republic (sulla through Augustus, maybe with special attention to Antony and Cleopatra), and the Julio-Claudians (just because I like I, Claudius a lot). Yeah I think this is the best bet. Tom Holland has been hugely successful with this method, and Ancient Rome is full of big rivalries and drama that teens love.
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the same undergrads that are gibbering retards when confronted with abstract historical information become good students when they're reading something with a plot, so i'd recommend stories where people interact a lot and the students can weigh different actions/viewpoints/agents against one another. it's something people do every day when socializing, our brains are literally built for it. then the historical information can be added to that in little doses
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It might be helpful to make parallels with Chinese historical figures or historical events that they do know? Comedy option: make them watch Dragon Blade
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