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DeadGame posted:I do it because I get lots of small dusty flakes on it when filing and mold line scraping. It's not about removing mold release chemicals, but grime. Yeah that makes sense if anything.
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Yeah I subscribe to them for the painting videos. There'a an absurd amount of them, covering basically everything. Last week was piece by piece a war hound Titan, today it was hazard stripes on an Iron Warrior. Their main painter Kris is a super nice, humble guy too.
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Crazy Ferret posted:Why give out a rule that would have no effect on this tank when its solid with all other variants. What, like Heavy on Ordnance Russes?
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krushgroove posted:Sorry about that - need to talk to my webhosting friend to see what caused that! I use the HTTPS Everywhere extension so it adds that to everything but the link didn't work for some reason. PM work? BULBASAUR posted:RE: Blue Table Painting Wait, they are in the same Church? TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 02:26 on May 13, 2016 |
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adamantium|wang posted:What, like Heavy on Ordnance Russes? I'm still mad they took away Lumbering Behemoth. What the gently caress am I supposed to do with all these battle tanks with HB sponsons and/or Lascannons now? 
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Uroboros posted:PM work? They look heavily Mormon.
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Is this a thing that is known or are you just making fun of them?
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Yup they're both LDS and you can dig it up with either some googlefu or going back through the un-inspiration thread. The first couple founding frontline gaming were all from the same church community too. Nobody really paid attention or cared until the BTP thing happened. Bottom line is that they were helping out a bad company cover its rear end- church bros or business bros doesn't really matter
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Uroboros posted:Is this a thing that is known or are you just making fun of them? both
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Nichol posted:I have been so drat productive. Why am I not in the oath thread???
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adamantium|wang posted:What, like Heavy on Ordnance Russes? Touche I'm still a bit salty as that as a Russ without Sponsons just looks naked to me. Oh well.
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BULBASAUR posted:Yup they're both LDS and you can dig it up with either some googlefu or going back through the un-inspiration thread. The first couple founding frontline gaming were all from the same church community too. Nobody really paid attention or cared until the BTP thing happened. Like everyone involved with MWG or just Matt and Dave the owners, it would explain Matt's issues with Slaneesh.
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Uroboros posted:it would explain Matt's issues with Slaneesh. And Dark Eldar. He gets asked about DE every now and then.
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What are his 'issues'? Ive met him in person, didn't get any kind of vibe like that. The more you know...
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The slavery, depravity and nudity are the main things. He's OK playing against them, they've had DE players come to their studio to play them (I assume they wouldn't want to play against someone who had slave girls models on the transports though). I suppose undead robots don't have nudity and being robots they have no need of slaves so he's fine using Necrons, and apparently he's fine with Dave being all about blood and everything with his Khorne stuff, though.
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krushgroove posted:The slavery, depravity and nudity are the main things. He's OK playing against them, they've had DE players come to their studio to play them (I assume they wouldn't want to play against someone who had slave girls models on the transports though). I suppose undead robots don't have nudity and being robots they have no need of slaves so he's fine using Necrons, and apparently he's fine with Dave being all about blood and everything with his Khorne stuff, though. Sounds like he's more well adjusted than most hams. At least more well adjusted than one guy who, at my first GW tournament back when they had those, had one of those old DE slave models below his pantsless slaanesh chaos lord in an event with kids running about.
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Mango Polo posted:New Barracuda coming, for all the people who don't like titans. Oh man. I was disapointed that FW discontinued the original just as I started on Tau, this kicks rear end. More Tau stuff from Forge World is always nice, love to see what they can do with the new Crisis Suit designs and the Commander Suits.
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krushgroove posted:The slavery, depravity and nudity are the main things. He's OK playing against them, they've had DE players come to their studio to play them (I assume they wouldn't want to play against someone who had slave girls models on the transports though). I suppose undead robots don't have nudity and being robots they have no need of slaves so he's fine using Necrons, and apparently he's fine with Dave being all about blood and everything with his Khorne stuff, though. Pretty much this, I'm always curious about an individual's religious proclivities and usually the more involved in a religion someone is the more hang-ups they have about sexuality. You can really see this anywhere since we still censor nudity on TV but murder people in the legions. As I grow older and see how children are shielded from one like they are fragile eggs while having the other in their face rather bugs me. Basically, I'm willing to lay every sexual issue currently plaguing Western Civilization at the feet of Christianity, and I find it rather amusing and annoying in equal measure when nerds playing a game about space genocide get uncomfortable when some skin is shown. I'd love to know how The Night Lords having a laugh about skinning children alive is somehow less depraved than the Dark Eldar having rape/torture slaves.
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Uroboros posted:Pretty much this, I'm always curious about an individual's religious proclivities and usually the more involved in a religion someone is the more hang-ups they have about sexuality. You can really see this anywhere since we still censor nudity on TV but murder people in the legions. As I grow older and see how children are shielded from one like they are fragile eggs while having the other in their face rather bugs me. Basically, I'm willing to lay every sexual issue currently plaguing Western Civilization at the feet of Christianity, and I find it rather amusing and annoying in equal measure when nerds playing a game about space genocide get uncomfortable when some skin is shown. I'd love to know how The Night Lords having a laugh about skinning children alive is somehow less depraved than the Dark Eldar having rape/torture slaves. The totally different treatment of violence and sexual imagery seems to be a uniquely US thing. In my experience most places treat them equally and care less about both.
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Tbh it happens here in England as well. People have softened on violence a lot since the Video Nasty/Manhunt Controversy days, but still get squeemish about sexual themes (but only a very specific definition of sexuality, apparently Page 3 tits and similarly bawdy stuff is alright because it appeals to lads, or something). There was a bit of a stir around here a couple of years ago with a store manager refusing to stick someone's Slaanesh demons in the store's display cabinet... but the Khone Marines drenched in blood and posed atop of mounds of skulls, and the Plague Marines with the lovingly sculpted entrails dangling out their stomachs were a-okay.
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I've seen those slave girls used well once. A guy in my group did an amazingly converted Slaanesh noise marine force with all legends of rock and metal as the Marines. He had an Ozzy stand in for Lucius, biting the head off of a tiny bat. Their main Rhino could open up into a stage with a dressing room underneath with LEDs... And stripper girl on pole.
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Lord Twisted posted:I've seen those slave girls used well once. A guy in my group did an amazingly converted Slaanesh noise marine force with all legends of rock and metal as the Marines. He had an Ozzy stand in for Lucius, biting the head off of a tiny bat. Their main Rhino could open up into a stage with a dressing room underneath with LEDs... And stripper girl on pole. Yeah...but at home with a bunch of mates doing beerhammer that's funny as hell. At a shop, maybe not and I suppose it would depend on the club (I struggle to envision small children running around at a gaming club but you never know). One time, I couldn't find the legs or base to my Maulerfiend so I stuck him in the top of a Rhino (in the open hatch) and somehow that became known as the Pussy Wrangler while we called each other 'you slllaaaaggg' like whatshisname from that terrible British cop show. It was hilarious to us at the time (and this was just a couple of years ago, so we're not teenagers) and still gets a grin when we meet up and whisper it to each other - it's not like we're shouting 'YOU SLLLLAAAAAG!!!' across the tables at Warhammer World. There's just a time and place, I guess is what I'm saying. I've gone off Matt and Dave a bit but I wouldn't show up to a game with them with a bunch of naked bloody slaves staked to the front of DE Raiders, it's kind of the same things as having really prominent Nazi logos all over Flames of War or Bolt Action stuff.
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Lord Twisted posted:I've seen those slave girls used well once. A guy in my group did an amazingly converted Slaanesh noise marine force with all legends of rock and metal as the Marines. He had an Ozzy stand in for Lucius, biting the head off of a tiny bat. Their main Rhino could open up into a stage with a dressing room underneath with LEDs... And stripper girl on pole.  That sounds amazing. If you can track down that guy and those figures I'd love to see pictures.
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TTerrible posted:The totally different treatment of violence and sexual imagery seems to be a uniquely US thing. In my experience most places treat them equally and care less about both. It would be nice if this was true around these parts, and before I launch into the rest of my post I will make a qualifier that I realize this might be better suited for D&D or a thread of its own, but I would like a little more discussion on this topic because we have tread this path slightly in the past. I figure it is relevant because I assume most of us being horrible 40K nerds have atleast experienced this all first hand, or have seen it from others. Based off how I was in the past, and my observations of others I would attribute a large number of "issues" with the gaming community to sexual insecurities and body-image issues usually picked up during teenage years and carried to adulthood. I am not going to be super reductive and lay all the blame there, but to me it is the most noticeable and easiest to change if you have the right peer group. Even our reactions in the past to "those types" kind of illustrate this. This just extends to the public in general, and how uncomfortable people get about poo poo they frankly should have no reason to be. For example, my girlfriend and I were at Wal-Mart to pick up something simple like light bulbs, and we realized we need more condoms. She mentioned that she felt embarrassed to get just condoms because they would be one of only two items, and that she felt the same way when she bought tampons. I can understand, and I actually felt the same way I first got condoms as a younger man, and since then absurdness of this bugs me more and more. Why the gently caress should I be bothered about be a sexually active responsible person? Why should a woman feel the same about her period, something 99.9999% of women I assume experience at least once barring some sort of medical complication. This is with what we would consider "normal" or "well adjusted" individuals, and I know for a fact having experienced them these kind of hang-ups are many times more multiplied in a teenager who isn't getting laid on the regular. TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 15:58 on May 13, 2016 |
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I was at a doubles tournament where one couple was playing. The guy just looked like any average dude with his Imperial Guard, the girl was wearing fishnets and a corset and had her Sisters of Battle painted the same way. Apparently their strategy was to slow play everybody while she leaned over the table a lot to distract the guy on the other side of the table. From what I recall they didn't do terribly well. That's my contribution to this conversation.
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Yeah he uses the rock gods at dark sphere but tbh DS is an adult shop, he's very chill and sociable, and in context it isn't slavering nerdlust. Unlike people who refer to bolter bitches, gonna rape you, etc. I used to be That Guy with the rape jokes when I was a bit younger, grew out of it and have a healthy dose of cringe looking back.
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adamantium|wang posted:Run them as Eradicators Eradicators loving own.
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Lord Twisted posted:Yeah he uses the rock gods at dark sphere but tbh DS is an adult shop, he's very chill and sociable, and in context it isn't slavering nerdlust. Unlike people who refer to bolter bitches, gonna rape you, etc. I used to be That Guy with the rape jokes when I was a bit younger, grew out of it and have a healthy dose of cringe looking back. I've never referred to SoB as bolter bitches, and while I've used "rape" to refer to how badly something went for me, I can't recall ever stating as something I will do to a person, and surely not a woman(especially because back then it would've required talking to a woman). That isn't to say there wasn't lots of "cringe" to go around, but I feel self-analysis/introspection is really important to getting over a lot of this poo poo, something a lot of people don't like to do. I can say I at least had enough self-awareness that nothing makes you come off as a creepy nerd more than treating women(or anyone) different that you treat the rest of the group, and nothing induces "cringe" in me more than when I see other people do it. Does anyone remember when MWG went to a gaming store called "Valhalla" that appeared to be a wreck center and gaming club combined? I recall there being a really attractive woman who played in a couple batreps while they were there, and it involved so many guys creeping around her it sent my cringe level off the chart, I even recall a guy doing a stroll out of the shower area with only a towel on(although I could be just adding poo poo at this point, because it was annoying). TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 16:45 on May 13, 2016 |
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MWG go to the Valhalla con/gaming weekend/whatever it is every year, AFAIK it's hosted/set up by their buddy BTP's Shady Shawn.
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krushgroove posted:MWG go to the Valhalla con/gaming weekend/whatever it is every year, AFAIK it's hosted/set up by their buddy BTP's Shady Shawn. Aside from that batrep the place looks rad as hell, and the kind of place you'd never get me out of if I lived near it. I've always thought combining a gym and gaming area would be a good way to maybe get gamers in shape and up their confidence. I've always been unsure if the gym rats and gamers might scare eachother off since they aren't usually the kind of people who cross-pollinate, but it would really ignite my passions since exercise and TGing are pretty much my things at this moment in life.
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Uroboros posted:I recall there being a really attractive woman who played in a couple batreps while they were there, and it involved so many guys creeping around her it sent my cringe level off the chart, I even recall a guy doing a stroll out of the shower area with only a towel on(although I could be just adding poo poo at this point, because it was annoying). That's probably Miranda - wargamergirl - who does amazingly good batreps, which basically taught me how to play Warmachine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UCVSqFZiGn4cHzSk1Y_CeBMw
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I think the issue of trivializing rape is perhaps a larger issue mainly because of the prevalence of rape and sex slavery in our culture. While we fight wars and they are very brutal this is perhaps treated with a small amount of respect and thought in the 40k universe. In many ways I take 40k to be a critique of violence as the constant wars achieve nothing, cause immense pain, have stripped the humanity away from its warriors, and reflects in the insufficient moral character of man. These themes have been explored pretty consistently throughout the 40k literature and often offer decent perspectives on war and violence. The sexual violence in 40k has not been equally explored or thought out and is not there to make you think critically about sexual violence and hit closer to the reality of our actual existence. If sex slavery and rape weren't problems that actually faced humanity there would be little harm in trivializing them the way 40k does, sadly we live in a world where at least one of the women you know was likely raped and there is likely a few hundred child sex slaves in your city. This isn't an issue we should be further desensitized to. It's not really that they talk about rape and sex slaves that's the issue for me, it's that they do it in a lazy way that is not productive in any way.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:I think the issue of trivializing rape is perhaps a larger issue mainly because of the prevalence of rape and sex slavery in our culture. While we fight wars and they are very brutal this is perhaps treated with a small amount of respect and thought in the 40k universe. In many ways I take 40k to be a critique of violence as the constant wars achieve nothing, cause immense pain, have stripped the humanity away from its warriors, and reflects in the insufficient moral character of man. These themes have been explored pretty consistently throughout the 40k literature and often offer decent perspectives on war and violence. The sexual violence in 40k has not been equally explored or thought out and is not there to make you think critically about sexual violence and hit closer to the reality of our actual existence. If sex slavery and rape weren't problems that actually faced humanity there would be little harm in trivializing them the way 40k does, sadly we live in a world where at least one of the women you know was likely raped and there is likely a few hundred child sex slaves in your city. This isn't an issue we should be further desensitized to. I don't know how you can really write about this stuff in regards to Dark Eldar and Slaneesh that is going to be "meaningful" by your definition. I suppose you could for Slaneesh if you wanted to analyze the darker aspect of human desire being out of control, but with the DE they do it simply because they enjoy it. They are a race of massive rear end in a top hat sociopaths who enjoy being evil for the sake of being evil, this isn't ever going to be meaningful outside of conveying to the reader that the Dark Eldar aren't nice people, and never will be. While story is important, I don't think every instance of 40k needs to be a critique on the folly of man. Renfield posted:That's probably Miranda - wargamergirl - who does amazingly good batreps, which basically taught me how to play Warmachine Yeah, that is her. I saw links to her stuff back then, but I am not a Warmachine guy, so I never clicked them. At the time I just figured this was a new person working for MWG. TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 18:26 on May 13, 2016 |
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The DE are, in the words of the guy who wrote their first meaningful book, simply fairy tale monsters. There isn't really any more depth to explore than that.
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I guess that's my point. Its not deep and not supposed to be. Maybe they shouldn't bring up such a real and deep issue with it. There are lots of ways to make scary monster people, making them rapist isn't really needed and just complicates things.
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