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CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Yeah, not only was my mom a teacher, but I have a lot of teacher friends, and you're 100% full of poo poo as far as BC goes.

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Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


After TAing second year university courses I'd say the bigger issue is the number of students who seem to be borderline illiterate based on their writing.

The poo poo I've seen...

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

After TAing second year university courses I'd say the bigger issue is the number of students who seem to be borderline illiterate based on their writing.

The poo poo I've seen...

no you don't understand. students shouldn't have to learn anything without fully understanding how it's worth their while in future and how it translates automatically into an instant 6 figure job upon graduation

i mean jesus christ my mom says I'm a genius you should treat me like one too

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

jm20 posted:

uhhhh :confused:

BC


AB

This is what I get for believing people. It doesn't really change much else about my post and the problems wrt to homework, but I learned something new today! Apologies for propagating misinformation.

Square Peg
Nov 11, 2008

cowofwar posted:

Isn't electricity for heating way more expensive and less efficient? Is this just a way for the OLP to increase the value of the hydro utility?

In temperate climates, heat pumps are spectacularly efficient, but once you go below, like, -10C the efficiency plummets and they won't be able to keep up with demand, and so they'll turn on their built in, fantastically inefficient auxiliary heat coils. (Much in the same way windmills produce a lot of no-emission energy right up until the wind drops off and you need to fire up a bunch of quick-start-and-thus-very-low-efficiency gas power plants to take over, but that's neither here nor there~). Around the great lakes will probably be fine with heat pumps, but anything north of Ottowa is going to get raked over the coals switching to electric heating.

I mean, in the good old days of public owned and operated electricity run deliberately to keep energy costs down this would be a pretty great plan. But other than a few token efficiency policies, this plan really seems to be all about getting people to use a lot more electricity, right as the OLP sells the provinces electricity distribution system to their buddies for a song. I'm beginning to really understand Ikantski's hate boner for these people.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008
In these discussions, why is it always the school that is responsible for reinforcing social and economic privilege? Walk into any urban or suburban high school and it will be bursting at the seams with credit recovery and credit rescue programs and in-school academic supports. Not to mention streamed courses which (while problematic) at least ensure that a student has some flexibility when it comes to course selection and the level of the material. Most of the teachers I've spoken to have extremely flexible deadlines and will make accommodations if a student actually talks with them about their circumstances. In the GTA, a student must deliberately sabotage themselves in order to flunk out -- and then even if they do, there are outreach initiatives in place to lure them back up until (I think) they're 21.

But apparently a student can never fail, only be failed. Individual responsibility is completely out the window. It's not that Jimmy has been enculturated by his friends and/or family to be flippant about school, it's that the system has failed him. Poor Jimmy.

e.
That isn't to say the school system doesn't fail students. I've met way too many who were passed through the system, or come from a board or school with lax standards who are averaging 80% and who are going to be slaughtered in freshman year. But the conversation is always "What can the teacher/school/board do differently?" And the real answer is probably "Relocate to a higher-income area" because most of what needs to be done to fix education is outside the purview of the education system.

e2.
And even when it comes to students being passed through the system or set up for failure, some of that involves parental intervention forcing a student to move on or to take a course they don't have the abilities to handle. I know one parent who strongarmed a school into letting his kid go from Grade 9 Applied to Grade 10 Academic English, with predictable results. I knew a student with formal diagnoses requiring substantial accommodations who had those accommodations removed by the parent because the parent felt the kid was just being lazy. Most of the kids who are drowning in homework are the kids who, when given in-class time to work, dick around instead, or who go to the mall instead of the library at lunch (and then don't come back for the afternoon).

unlimited shrimp fucked around with this message at 17:49 on May 16, 2016

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Square Peg posted:

I mean, in the good old days of public owned and operated electricity run deliberately to keep energy costs down this would be a pretty great plan. But other than a few token efficiency policies, this plan really seems to be all about getting people to use a lot more electricity, right as the OLP sells the provinces electricity distribution system to their buddies for a song. I'm beginning to really understand Ikantski's hate boner for these people.

Rates recently went up because Ontarians used less electricity, so maybe this is also connected to that? That doesn't make it any less awful and stupid.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




the trump tutelage posted:

In these discussions, why is it always the school that is responsible for reinforcing social and economic privilege? Walk into any urban or suburban high school and it will be bursting at the seams with credit recovery and credit rescue programs and in-school academic supports. Not to mention streamed courses which (while problematic) at least ensure that a student has some flexibility when it comes to course selection and the level of the material. Most of the teachers I've spoken to have extremely flexible deadlines and will make accommodations if a student actually talks with them about their circumstances. In the GTA, a student must deliberately sabotage themselves in order to flunk out -- and then even if they do, there are outreach initiatives in place to lure them back up until (I think) they're 21.

But apparently a student can never fail, only be failed. Individual responsibility is completely out the window. It's not that Jimmy has been enculturated by his friends and/or family to be flippant about school, it's that the system has failed him. Poor Jimmy.

e.
That isn't to say the school system doesn't fail students. I've met way too many who were passed through the system, or come from a board or school with lax standards who are averaging 80% and who are going to be slaughtered in freshman year. But the conversation is always "What can the teacher/school/board do differently?" And the real answer is probably "Relocate to a higher-income area" because most of what needs to be done to fix education is outside the purview of the education system.

Because we would much rather blame a school system which is political and filled with political adults, than blame a dumb slacker piece of poo poo kid who in the eyes of parents can do no wrong.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Bad news. Under PR, as it stands, LPC would only have a slim majority still
https://twitter.com/PollWatchCanada/status/732220713357185024

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

the trump tutelage posted:

In these discussions, why is it always the school that is responsible for reinforcing social and economic privilege? Walk into any urban or suburban high school and it will be bursting at the seams with credit recovery and credit rescue programs and in-school academic supports. Not to mention streamed courses which (while problematic) at least ensure that a student has some flexibility when it comes to course selection and the level of the material. Most of the teachers I've spoken to have extremely flexible deadlines and will make accommodations if a student actually talks with them about their circumstances. In the GTA, a student must deliberately sabotage themselves in order to flunk out -- and then even if they do, there are outreach initiatives in place to lure them back up until (I think) they're 21.

But apparently a student can never fail, only be failed. Individual responsibility is completely out the window. It's not that Jimmy has been enculturated by his friends and/or family to be flippant about school, it's that the system has failed him. Poor Jimmy.

e.
That isn't to say the school system doesn't fail students. I've met way too many who were passed through the system, or come from a board or school with lax standards who are averaging 80% and who are going to be slaughtered in freshman year. But the conversation is always "What can the teacher/school/board do differently?" And the real answer is probably "Relocate to a higher-income area" because most of what needs to be done to fix education is outside the purview of the education system.

I don't necessarily completely disagree, but you are placing the onus then on dumb rear end 12, 13, etc year olds to know what is best for them 10 years from now and I have some deep reservations about that. As you say, students are enculturated from a very young age to think that school, or particular courses, are meaningless and this attitude is definitely passed down generationally. Your edit is totally correct in that any real solution goes far beyond the scope of education. However, I would propose that schools changing the way they teach (actually and finally putting transmission-based learning out to pasture) and allowing students to access knowledge on their terms empowers and engages them in their own learning experience. Changing the way schools teach is a real and tangible (and much supported by studies) way to overcome deeply engrained student apathy.

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!
One Conservative would sit as an Independent just to avoid the Conservatives having the dirty sex number of seats.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Stickarts posted:

I don't necessarily completely disagree, but you are placing the onus then on dumb rear end 12, 13, etc year olds to know what is best for them 10 years from now and I have some deep reservations about that. As you say, students are enculturated from a very young age to think that school, or particular courses, are meaningless and this attitude is definitely passed down generationally. Your edit is totally correct in that any real solution goes far beyond the scope of education. However, I would propose that schools changing the way they teach (actually and finally putting transmission-based learning out to pasture) and allowing students to access knowledge on their terms empowers and engages them in their own learning experience. Changing the way schools teach is a real and tangible (and much supported by studies) way to overcome deeply refrained student apathy.
Inquiry-based learning is already fairly widespread. However, it requires a lot more discipline and self-control from the students than I think you anticipate. Even if completely abandoning transmission-based learning is desirable, we're talking a generational shift -- students still need to meet you half way and students want to learn the way they're comfortable learning. Worksheets are anathema, but not if you're in a grade 11 locally developed classroom and the students will only engage with work they can easily qualify as "finished" or "unfinished".

It also requires more resources and funding, and as long as that's on the table, then the more practicable and effective fix would be hiring more teachers and capping class sizes.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

the trump tutelage posted:

Inquiry-based learning is already fairly widespread. However, it requires a lot more discipline and self-control from the students than I think you anticipate. Even if completely abandoning transmission-based learning is desirable, we're talking a generational shift -- students still need to meet you half way and students want to learn the way they're comfortable learning. Worksheets are anathema, but not if you're in a grade 11 locally developed classroom and the students will only engage with work they can easily qualify as "finished" or "unfinished".

It also requires more resources and funding, and as long as that's on the table, then the more practicable and effective fix would be hiring more teachers and capping class sizes.

I'm fist pounding the second paragraph.

And I would disagree - yes, inquiry-based learning is definitely the curricular expectation. However, from my (admittedly still growing) understanding of teaching, a whoooole lot of teachers either constantly revert to the ways they were taught (transmission) or scoffed at the idea of changing their pedagogy and never adopted constructivism in the first place. I agree that the change needed is definitely generational in nature. Unpacking decades of socialisation is pretty tough, who knew. However, I feel like if constructivist learning environments were ever actually made commonplace that a lot (not all) of lovely student behaviour would be taken care of. And to be clear, transmission has its uses, but it is also very often the refuge of the lovely teacher.

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Stickarts posted:

I will walk back on this one as I was painting in broad strokes but unless I have been misinformed, everything from Manitoba to BC you can enter the B.Ed. straight out of high school without an additional degree. I donno Eastern Canada well enough to comment.

You can enter a B.Ed straight out of undergrad. You just need to take another year's worth of (mostly trivial) classes + practicum to get your K-12 teaching certification. Those classes are not related to subjects that will be taught in a classroom, but essentially the theory of teaching/classroom management/etc and a one-term practicum.

CLAM DOWN posted:

Yeah, not only was my mom a teacher, but I have a lot of teacher friends, and you're 100% full of poo poo as far as BC goes.

The content of what he wrote is essentially correct. The most common major for entrants into the teaching certification is education. Education is -- if not the absolute easiest major available -- certainly up there. For example, at Simon Fraser University, it historically has the highest GPA of any faculty, and the highest percentage of A grades awarded, despite having among the lowest entering grade requirements/grade averages. I mean, really, look at this poo poo:



It is also well-known that education majors have some of the lowest scores of any major on standardized tests for postgraduate programs like the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT.

When I was learning how to teach undergrads during my Ph.D, I once sat in on the education-major specific mathematics course. It is significantly easier than even Math 12, and if the very active discussion in the class was any indication, I would consider almost none of the students in the class qualified to teach high school mathematics effectively on the basis of not even having mastered that material themselves.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008
Are you talking about the B.Ed post-grad program or some type of Bachelor of Arts - Education degree?

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

the trump tutelage posted:

Are you talking about the B.Ed post-grad program or some type of Bachelor of Arts - Education degree?

The term B.Ed is not completely standardized as far as I know. In BC, for example, SFU refers to their undergraduate education degree as a B.Ed and their 1-year postgraduate teaching certification as 'PDP'. UBC refers to the 1-year postgraduate certification as the B.Ed.

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

bunnyofdoom posted:

Bad news. Under PR, as it stands, LPC would only have a slim majority still
https://twitter.com/PollWatchCanada/status/732220713357185024

Needs work - CPC numbers still too high #FuckAuthoritarians.

Really enjoyed Harjit Sajjan's interview on CBC's Tapestry yesterday. Not the sort of program I'd expect a crown minister to appear on.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Hexigrammus posted:

Needs work - CPC numbers still too high #FuckAuthoritarians.

Really enjoyed Harjit Sajjan's interview on CBC's Tapestry yesterday. Not the sort of program I'd expect a crown minister to appear on.

I'm taking this as a sign that the Conservatives are being consigned to the electoral wilds like the Mike Harris Tories.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Square Peg posted:

In temperate climates, heat pumps are spectacularly efficient, but once you go below, like, -10C the efficiency plummets and they won't be able to keep up with demand, and so they'll turn on their built in, fantastically inefficient auxiliary heat coils. (Much in the same way windmills produce a lot of no-emission energy right up until the wind drops off and you need to fire up a bunch of quick-start-and-thus-very-low-efficiency gas power plants to take over, but that's neither here nor there~). Around the great lakes will probably be fine with heat pumps, but anything north of Ottowa is going to get raked over the coals switching to electric heating.

Er, I don't know what you mean when you say efficiency here, but an electric heater having low efficiency is a good thing, it's how they work; if they had a high efficiency, they wouldn't heat up and would be useless :psyduck:

e: wait, did I remember that right? poo poo. Either way, I'm obviously not understanding you :v:

Blade_of_tyshalle fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 16, 2016

Square Peg
Nov 11, 2008

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Er, I don't know what you mean when you say efficiency here, but an electric heater having low efficiency is a good thing, it's how they work; if they had a high efficiency, they wouldn't heat up and would be useless :psyduck:

e: wait, did I remember that right? poo poo. Either way, I'm obviously not understanding you :v:

Heat pumps regularly have efficiencies well over 100%, putting as much as 10 times as much heat energy into the house as they are taking in electrical energy. However, as outside temperatures drop, they'll eventually approach 100% and then basically stop working, after which they have to turn on the auxiliary heating coil.

Square Peg fucked around with this message at 20:47 on May 16, 2016

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Ah, okay. Wikipedia cleared up my misunderstanding, as well. I didn't realize how heat pumps work. HVAC really isn't my bag.

Wikipedia article on heat pumps posted:

When comparing the performance of heat pumps, it is best to avoid the word "efficiency", which has a very specific thermodynamic definition. The term coefficient of performance (COP) is used to describe the ratio of useful heat movement per work input.

:v:

Square Peg
Nov 11, 2008

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Ah, okay. Wikipedia cleared up my misunderstanding, as well. I didn't realize how heat pumps work. HVAC really isn't my bag.


:v:

Yeah, I probably just should have went with "heat pumps are cheap when it's mild out, but suck when it's really cold."

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!
Burn solid waste for heat. 2birds1Stone elect me.

SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

Quebec decided that the feds reintroducing environmental science to the country was a bad thing and now you have to pay up to $2000 to sit outside and look at birds and poo poo.

http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/blog/posting.asp?ID=2026

Meat Recital
Mar 26, 2009

by zen death robot

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

After TAing second year university courses I'd say the bigger issue is the number of students who seem to be borderline illiterate based on their writing.

The poo poo I've seen...

It's ok, computers are everywhere and in a few years pencils will cease to exist

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

ZShakespeare posted:

Burn solid waste for heat. 2birds1Stone elect me.

No burn anyone suggesting that anyone outside of maybe Vancouver base their home heating system off a loving heat pump.

Arabian Jesus
Feb 15, 2008

We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith

We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

brucio posted:

So so far it's Michael Chong, Max Bernier and Kellie Lietch declared running for Conservative leader. Anyone think any of these folks could beat the libs?

I really like a lot of what Chong has said so far and I hope he wins. How he would do in a federal election I have no idea

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Liberals will introduce a bill to protect Transgendered Canadians tommorow


(Don't read the comments unless you hate yourself and humanitY)

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

I had a lovely argument with a gay Conservative about that the other day. He was very concerned about the impact that a "genderless society" will have on women's rights. He declined to elaborate those concerns, and got very personally offended when it was pointed out that the Conservative Party (his party) still welcomes the support of people who want to control women.

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 22:22 on May 16, 2016

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Isn't the existence of transgender people basically the proof that we won't and shouldn't have a genderless society? The idea that transgenderism is bad would seem to align more closely with the idea that gender itself is bad or unnecessary.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

THC posted:

I had a lovely argument with a gay Conservative about that the other day. He was very concerned about the impact that a "genderless society" will have on women's rights. He declined to elaborate those concerns, and got very personally offended when it was pointed out that the Conservative Party (his party) still welcomes the support of people who want to control women.

Are the CPC's supporting LGBTs yet? Not sure I understand how he could support a party that literally doesn't welcome his support.

Gorau
Apr 28, 2008
Uh, so doing some quick napkin math comparing natural gas and electrical heat I have to say that Ontario is about to get reamed. Excluding delivery fees on both sides, to run a standard 60,000 BTU furnace for one hour on natural gas is about 16 cents of gas compared to $2.50 in electricity (17.6 kW furnace). I used $2/tcf for gas and 14 cents/kWh. Someone tell me my math is wrong, please.

Tan Dumplord
Mar 9, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

jm20 posted:

Are the CPC's supporting LGBTs yet? Not sure I understand how he could support a party that literally doesn't welcome his support.

CBC news broadcast an audio recording of one CPC MP who would be supporting the legislation. Damned if I can find it on the website.

e: David Tilson

Tan Dumplord fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 16, 2016

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Look at this piece of poo poo.



And reflect on how hypocritical it is to shout "Don't politicize this tragedy to push your environmental agenda! Now let me tell you about how we should use this tragedy to push my anti-regulatory pro-pipeline agenda."

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

The environment is a political issue, but Getting Our Oil To Tidewater is simply a rational choice in the best interests of Canadians. A no-brainer, if you will.

egg tats
Apr 3, 2010

THC posted:

I had a lovely argument with a gay Conservative about that the other day. He was very concerned about the impact that a "genderless society" will have on women's rights. He declined to elaborate those concerns, and got very personally offended when it was pointed out that the Conservative Party (his party) still welcomes the support of people who want to control women.

Yeah that's about right.

And a ton of trans people would prefer a "genderless" society (at least a society that was largely apathetic towards gender). Them being trans is only proof of their existence in a gendered society, since almost everything in society is structured around it.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

vyelkin posted:

Look at this piece of poo poo.



And reflect on how hypocritical it is to shout "Don't politicize this tragedy to push your environmental agenda! Now let me tell you about how we should use this tragedy to push my anti-regulatory pro-pipeline agenda."

*next panel* I meant about the fire you complete loving retard

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

senae posted:

Yeah that's about right.

And a ton of trans people would prefer a "genderless" society (at least a society that was largely apathetic towards gender). Them being trans is only proof of their existence in a gendered society, since almost everything in society is structured around it.
Yeah the best part was when he was like "As A Gay Man, [He]" accepts anyone as an ally if they declare themselves as such. Even if they're a racist piece of poo poo or you have a massive fundamental disagreement with them, you should just take any "ally" you can find. After all, it worked out great for this one white Anglo-Saxon cis male who grew up in Vancouver with rich parents in the 90s!

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!
Haha that guy is the worst even if thTHC ONLY YOU CAN READ THIS. YOU WILL BE REWARDED FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT CREATING DIVISION AMONGST THESE SO CALLED PROGRESSIVES DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER IF THEY SHARE ANY MINOR DIFFERENCESblic bathroom, lol. Christ what an rear end in a top hat

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The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

It's time for the aesthetics of upwardly mobile feminist respectability to make room for the aesthetics of survival- particularly trans survival. posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D9QIG36J9Q

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