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Trade your top lane tower for winning the game via bot lane snowballing with a huge teleport play. That's the trade I always look to make with top lane teleporting when you want to put a close to the laning phase. It also tends to stall out the enemy top laner because unless they have an option to make a bigger play than you, they will just ineffectively push free CS up to your tier 2 for the rest of the mid-game while you can roam and look for action everywhere and then eventually sweep up the creeps.
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at lower elos it's very easy for the top laner to gank mid, either by straight up gank if their mid is pushing too hard, or by waiting in the side bush and counterganking when the jungler shows up if your mid is pushing harder. either way someone like riven can easily annihilate your standard lux/ahri/syndra/whatever dipshit if you approach from the right angle the last time i was in bronze was season 2 and i got out by playing rumble every game and crushing lane so hard that either the jungler was forced to set up permanent camp in the top lane (which didn't matter, since rumble could 1v2 easily back then) or by walking mid every time my ult was off cooldown for extra kills
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May 16, 2016 21:11
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at bronze you should try and work on your laning first before worrying about good teleport usage to help your doofus teammates out. e: sometimes its hard to know if a TP is a good one unless you know specific cooldowns of the players you're trying to help/fight against. this is hard in solo queue, especially in low elo stump collector fucked around with this message at 21:18 on May 16, 2016 |
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May 16, 2016 21:16
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exethan posted:at bronze you should try and work on your laning first before worrying about taking TP to help your doofus teammates out Yeah when I was in low silver I just got a million kills every game. If you're playing Riven and you're better than your league you should be killing your opposite whenever they come to lane and then pushing hard and killing anyone who tries to stop you. TP plays win games but what also wins game is the enemy team giving up because Riven is 10/0 and can 1v3
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May 16, 2016 21:21
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riven and vlad suck right now, that probably doesn't help
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May 16, 2016 21:27
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For another example of glorious Riot coding, the game stores error messages and warning messages in the Game - R3d Logs. If you've played Ascension this last weekend, you have some logs that are just 30MB of "000371.030| ERROR| Tried to get value on a stat (BOUNTY_LEVEL) that doesn't exist in this mode!" repeated thousands of times.
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May 16, 2016 21:35
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LegalPad posted:In an average game, what do your teleports look like? Is it mostly teleporting onto teamate's wards bot lane? Or do you often walk into your bot lane after backing and use your TP to get back to your lane? This isn't a precise answer, but it helped me think about the game. Imagine that instead of a 1 (you) + 4 v 5, it was a big ol' chess match with one person controlling all 5 players on their team. What does the team need to win? Also, what is the most annoying thing to the other team you can do right now? What thing will make them punch their keyboard like irritable babies? Do it. The short list for annoying things top lane can do is probably: -poo poo on your lane ever harder so they're never relevant again -Gank/TP for the other lanes -Steal the enemy jungle -Ward -Get dragon or Baron/Herald (with help) -Push super hard and threaten towers and inhibs
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BigLeafyTree posted:What thing will make them punch their keyboard like irritable babies?
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LegalPad posted:I know it's a tale as old as time, but I seriously feel stuck in bronze this season and I don't know what do. I usually top as either Garen, Vlad, or Riven, and I almost always do well in lane. I feel like winning the match is almost entirely out of my hands though, so I must be missing an important component of topping. Garen is basically my favorite champion to play in League. I'm 15-1 on him in ranked this season between my plat-MMR main (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/215629704?champion=86&matchType=2&map=1) and my gold-MMR smurf (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/226941722?champion=86&matchType=2&map=1), which was in bronze just a couple of weeks ago, so I have pretty decent insight to offer here. Garen has relatively mediocre TPs early, and your focus should be on winning your lane and snowballing the game through relentless sidelane pressure. If you look at the games on my smurf in particular, I'm vacuuming up all of the gold and experience in my sidelane, in the opponent's jungle, and in general I plan to never leave my lane unless necessary. I communicate this to my teammates and usually end up way ahead so they don't get down on me for ignoring them as much as possible. If he gets ahead, Garen can definitely 2v1 (it requires some knowledge of the champion to understand exactly when this is a good idea and when it isn't), and he can escape ganks quite well as well; constantly dragging the jungler into your lane (and killing him) provides basically as much utility to your team as TPing bot lane. If your botlane is way behind and you've already taken all of top's towers tell them to go play ARAM in mid while you clear out the rest of bottom. Garen has essentially one trade, and that's (auto-) Q -> W -> E -> retreating into your minions and waiting for your cooldowns to come up. You should try to get this trade in almost any time that you see them use an offensive spell on a minion and all of your cooldowns are up. People will feed you kills at your elo, but flash -> Q -> E -> cancel E -> ult is your only real way to proactively kill people and you should understand exactly when you can do this. You can look at my games for itemization, but sunfire -> T2 boots -> cleaver -> spirit visage is what I start with 90% of the time. The last 2 items can be some combination of Sterak's, Randuin's, Frozen Mallet, Thornmail, Dead Man's Plate, and Death's Dance. Most games I just optimize for more tankiness though, because Garen does tons of damage to begin with and it's pretty hilarious how much he can tank with 3 armor items and 400 health.
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Not to just contradict what everyone's saying, but don't help your loving team in bronze, they're utter garbage. If you can't carry from top lane try jungle or mid or ADC and see if you can do it there, or change up your champions. Win lane harder, push into the enemy jungle and steal that poo poo, last hit better so you're always ahead of the schmuck you're facing. If you teleport bot lane, your bot lane will completely gently caress up the gank and you'll all die and they'll say "?" "Why?" "I just want to farm" etc
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May 16, 2016 22:19
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rabidsquid posted:Down at garbage moron elo I would argue that like 75% of my lane kills come from some dude sticking around who is absolutely going to die if he sticks around, and probably 75% of the time he does in fact stick around. This isn't an exaggeration. If you can weave in some harass while you're laning you can almost always get your opponent down to where you can all in them for free, then you get all of that farm and exp they're missing and it turns into a bloodbath. My new favorite champ for doing this is mid lane Pantheon.
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So I haven't played on the PBE at all this cycle, can anyone tell me how Taliyah's E interacts with blinks (i.e. Shaco Q, Zed W) that don't have any actual "movement" associated with them and are rather just place swaps? Does nothing happen with them or do they detonate the ones they swap to/all of the rocks they would hit if they dashed in a straight line? I assume the former but if its either form of the latter holy moly thats the skill to max right there
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May 16, 2016 22:34
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Blinks don't activate Her E but stuff like blitz grabs and her W, along with conventional dashes like Lucien E and LeBlanc W, will.
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I got out of bronze by just playing the goo man Zac. Top or jungle work just fine. Just get tanky and every teamfight becomes "Oh the enemy ADC is in the back behind the rest of their team? That's cute. I'm still gonna get my wet rear end right on top of them.  "
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flyingkiwi posted:Not to just contradict what everyone's saying, but don't help your loving team in bronze, they're utter garbage.
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Endorph posted:if you're in bronze, you're utter garbage This is actually something I've started taking to heart tbh. I'm trusting my team more now, because I've been in high bronze/low silver long enough to know I probably belong around there and the people I'm playing with aren't the Lissandra I played against two years ago that I managed to push all the way to her inhib pre-20-minutes. They're as good as I am and I have to respect my teammates and opponents more. I can't scoff at their bronzeness, I'm also bronze and have to deal with that. Eventually I'll be able to CS enough to get out, but I still can't CS in the midgame and sometimes miss a cannon during laning, so I'm where I belong.
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Another thing is that you should play a champion that can destroy turrets and push on their own because you're going to have to
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flyingkiwi posted:Not to just contradict what everyone's saying, but don't help your loving team in bronze, they're utter garbage. If you can't carry from top lane try jungle or mid or ADC and see if you can do it there, or change up your champions. Win lane harder, push into the enemy jungle and steal that poo poo, last hit better so you're always ahead of the schmuck you're facing. If you teleport bot lane, your bot lane will completely gently caress up the gank and you'll all die and they'll say
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The way I see it (if winning is your #1 concern) is to consider the effort-to-impact ratio between Vlad/Graves/Riven to champs like Malphite/Shen/Maokai in making plays around the map. You could try to gain an advantage in lane and try to snowball from there with the former champion pool; or you could just farm, wait for level 6 and TP/ult bot for the easiest high-impact play in the game with the latter. Might have to hound your teammates to set up a lane ward like someone mentioned earlier, but I never talk to my teammates and it seems to go just fine for me. Zac sounds like it would also work. Once laning is over, it's easy to initiate fights with those guys too. Or peel for your carries.
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If you win lane every game statistically you will win more than you lose
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falconry posted:The way I see it (if winning is your #1 concern) is to consider the effort-to-impact ratio between Vlad/Graves/Riven to champs like Malphite/Shen/Maokai in making plays around the map. You could try to gain an advantage in lane and try to snowball from there with the former champion pool; or you could just farm, wait for level 6 and TP/ult bot for the easiest high-impact play in the game with the latter. Might have to hound your teammates to set up a lane ward like someone mentioned earlier, but I never talk to my teammates and it seems to go just fine for me. Zac sounds like it would also work. Garen is absolute freelo in Bronze and can basically 1v5 an entire team with the gold you get from never leaving lane. In that 15-1 stretch I posted I've definitely had games where the opposing Malphite TPed bot and double killed my botlane. I proceeded to farm 3 full waves of minions, took his tower, and solo killed him when he came back to lane. And after that the game was basically over because I was 3 levels above anyone on the map.
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I still miss when Jax had passive dodge. RIP 3 second cooldown stuns off bads. Also when he got HP off AP and AD and could build Atmas for recursive gains. On the brightside, Statik Arrowhead/Sheen/Revolver/Thunderscrubs Decree is legit. Ride the lightning.
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blah_blah posted:Garen is absolute freelo in Bronze and can basically 1v5 an entire team with the gold you get from never leaving lane. In that 15-1 stretch I posted I've definitely had games where the opposing Malphite TPed bot and double killed my botlane. I proceeded to farm 3 full waves of minions, took his tower, and solo killed him when he came back to lane. And after that the game was basically over because I was 3 levels above anyone on the map. I don't doubt you, I've been the Malphite in that scenario before. But I can't say I've used that strategy before, because I loving hate Garen and refuse to play him on principle.
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Garen is the Master Yi of bruisers; bad players refuse to play him because he Takes No Skill, while good players recognize his strength and how skill in Garen is not determined by memorized button combos, but through situational action.
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yasuo support and top lane kindred. God bless bronze.
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Neurolimal posted:Garen is the Master Yi of bruisers; bad players refuse to play him because he Takes No Skill, while good players recognize his strength and how skill in Garen is not determined by memorized button combos, but through situational action. Bad players love yi, he's one of the most popular low elo champs lol
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May 17, 2016 01:38
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Faker plays Yi... makes you think.
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bonewitch posted:yi still gets banned in middle silver so because you play with baddies
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buddy you're a bronze 3 teemo main
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henkman posted:Bad players love yi, he's one of the most popular low elo champs lol Well yeah, bad players play everything. You're far more likely to see a bad cry about skill when losing to Yi/Garen than Lee Sin/Jayce, though. Also he's like, 450 IP.
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Junglers Master Yi is worse than in Plat+: the other 44 even somewhat popular jungle picks. Sub 43% win rate, the dream. To be fair, it doesn't look like there's a good & popular build consensus for him this patch, but wow. e: Anecdotal evidence: on my silver smurf I've been regularly outdueling/invading/etc. jungle Yi's pretty regularly as Devourer jungle Bard, he seems so weak right now. VVVV It's true, Tanky Yi is bad now, and other ad junglers (i.e. people who can use BC) are good, this patch is not the time to yi. foutre fucked around with this message at 02:19 on May 17, 2016 |
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they took out his best item and gave him an over-priced piece of crap and a shittier version of botrk to compensate in this patch the best way to build him is probably jsut to go warriors and build like a bruiser but at that point you are literally just jungle olaf with better clears and a way worse ultimate
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Master Yi has always been a champion for total shitheads for as long as he has existed. Him being picked in a game essentially makes the game entirely about him, if he gets fed and snowballs you basically win unless he specifically throws the game trying to 1v3, which happens all the time. If he gets behind, you basically lose without recourse because having a melee ADC jungler who isn't fed is literally the most useless thing you can have on your team. I can't stand that son of a bitch champion.
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Can anyone with PBE access tell me if you can use Taliyah's pop up to knock Gromp over the wall into lane and reset the camp at level 1?
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Neurolimal posted:Garen is the Master Yi of bruisers; bad players refuse to play him because he Takes No Skill, while good players recognize his strength and how skill in Garen is not determined by memorized button combos, but through situational action. this revisionist motherfucker thinks a single person is going to be convinced there was ever a point in time where yi players weren't a laughingstock
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AP yi was the best
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bonewitch posted:buddy you're a bronze 3 teemo main Better than you
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NTT posted:If you win lane every game statistically you will win more than you lose Measured aggression in and out of lane are different skillsets, some people live to throw v  v
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