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FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

flosofl posted:

I remember being that optimistic.

Now, I make sure I have a current config in our repo, and I still make a copy before I commit any changes. I get burned enough times, even I will learn that fire is hot.

We were all that optimistic once upon a time. He's green, but smart.

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Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

Bob Morales posted:

At one of my first IT jobs when I was like 19 or 20 they were dumb enough to let me run the "Jell-O shot hole" at a golf outing, I accidentally drove off in a golf cart that belonged to some McDonald's execs, realized I didn't have clubs and drove it in reverse all the way back. I was so wasted I slept in the parking lot.

Did they offer you a job in sales?

lampey
Mar 27, 2012

The company buys beers once a month on Wednesday afternoon. There is no requirement to go but its free pizza and beer. Also lunch that day is provided. You should not have work events taking up Friday nights even if it really isn't a work event.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Sending IT Instructions and/or Screenshots in a Word Document through email.

It's already formatted in HTML put your damned instructions in that!

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

xzzy posted:

Then the 2000's hit and it was all "YOUR TAX DOLLARS BUYING BOOZE TO GET CONTRACTORS DRUNK!!!!" and it came to an abrupt halt. Now having the faintest scent of alcohol during business hours is enough to get someone terminated instantly.

This is totally gimp and I hate it, some time ago we hosted a marketing event where there were glasses of prosecco and bucks fizz. We were allowed to pop along if we had time, but our HR manager sent a message just after telling everyone that consuming alcohol on the premises is forbidden.

Like holy poo poo it's just a glass of bucky.

Swink
Apr 18, 2006
Left Side <--- Many Whelps

Ynglaur posted:

Did they offer you a job in sales?

:golfclap:

Woogles
Mar 23, 2007

hello
Business case finished. Sent to manager and ops director.

Let's see what happens. If anything. In the meantime, angling for an interview with a company that would allegedly allow me to sort my own poo poo out and not micromanage me.

Hah. Yeah. It's our lot to be constantly YOTJing nomads, isn't it?

Oh look. Time for a walk around the park :unsmith:

Spazz
Nov 17, 2005

RFC2324 posted:

They.. they sell beer at your work? To employees? During working hours?

We had a stocked liquor cabinet and the fridge always had beer in it at my old gig. On more than one occasion I'd watch my boss on a stressful call go, "Hang on, <client>." He'd then walk to the fridge at a leisurely pace, grab a beer, open beer, sip beer, then walk back to his desk. He'd sit down, take a few more sips, then go "Ok, what were you saying?"

Daylen Drazzi
Mar 10, 2007

Why do I root for Notre Dame? Because I like pain, and disappointment, and anguish. Notre Dame Football has destroyed more dreams than the Irish Potato Famine, and that is the kind of suffering I can get behind.
Running into a leadership problem. So we have a couple hosts with a bad hard drive, each of these hosts have an Exchange VM running on them. The way the system is configured the Exchange VMs stay with the host. Due to several bad experiences with hosts crashing when hot-swapping hard drives the procedure is to now shut down the host, swap the hard drive, power the host on, wait for it to come back up, then in UCS acknowledge the host (which then reboots it). The only time when there is allowable downtime with Exchange is on Monday and Tuesday nights from 8pm until Midnight.

So anyways, the problem is that I told the other Virtualization admin that he gets to come in tonight to watch over the process for the 20 minutes it takes to do this. My reasoning was that since he's the one on-call this week he just drew the short straw. However, in retrospect, I realize that he has something of a drive to get to work, whereas I live 10 minutes away. I was thinking about this last night and it just seemed kind of lovely for me to make him drive an hour each way for a 20 minutes operation. But at the same time, I don't want everyone to have the expectation that because I live the closest that it's okay to call me every time there's an issue or expect that I'll take care of it if there's a quick task that needs performed, whether I'm on-call or not. I've already had that happen a couple times when my co-worker, who was on-call that week, conveniently didn't answer his phone. At the same time, I've often heard the adage that you "never give a task you wouldn't perform yourself." My biggest concern is sounding like an rear end in a top hat while at the same time looking like I'm floundering at decision-making. Of course, the problem is that I'm more used to going to my supervisor with a plan of action, rather than having people come to me asking for what actions to take.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Daylen Drazzi posted:

Running into a leadership problem. So we have a couple hosts with a bad hard drive, each of these hosts have an Exchange VM running on them. The way the system is configured the Exchange VMs stay with the host. Due to several bad experiences with hosts crashing when hot-swapping hard drives the procedure is to now shut down the host, swap the hard drive, power the host on, wait for it to come back up, then in UCS acknowledge the host (which then reboots it). The only time when there is allowable downtime with Exchange is on Monday and Tuesday nights from 8pm until Midnight.

So anyways, the problem is that I told the other Virtualization admin that he gets to come in tonight to watch over the process for the 20 minutes it takes to do this. My reasoning was that since he's the one on-call this week he just drew the short straw. However, in retrospect, I realize that he has something of a drive to get to work, whereas I live 10 minutes away. I was thinking about this last night and it just seemed kind of lovely for me to make him drive an hour each way for a 20 minutes operation. But at the same time, I don't want everyone to have the expectation that because I live the closest that it's okay to call me every time there's an issue or expect that I'll take care of it if there's a quick task that needs performed, whether I'm on-call or not. I've already had that happen a couple times when my co-worker, who was on-call that week, conveniently didn't answer his phone. At the same time, I've often heard the adage that you "never give a task you wouldn't perform yourself." My biggest concern is sounding like an rear end in a top hat while at the same time looking like I'm floundering at decision-making. Of course, the problem is that I'm more used to going to my supervisor with a plan of action, rather than having people come to me asking for what actions to take.

Have him stay late and give him comp time, is that not acceptable? It's tonight so moving it to a 1p-9p wont work, but have him work a half day tomorrow or something. I mean I guess you could call it an extra 5pm-8:30pm if you want to not round up for pulling a 12 hour shift. With the drive he might as well just stay there the entire time, I have an hour commute and know I would (actually far more likely to just go to a bar for 3 hours, seriously what am I going to do with an hour at home that's just lovely).

It is on him for living that far away, he took the job and chose where he lives. It sucks but he needs to find something to do, just know if you don't tell him to stay on site and do busy work and comp it he's very likely to just go get drunk.

Spazz
Nov 17, 2005

Don't martyr yourself for your colleagues. They live and work where they do by their own choosing, so it's on them to make that commute when it's their turn to be in the barrel.

Otherwise you'll end up being the guy who has to drive in to the office during a blizzard to watch computer monitors and take calls, alone, for 14 hours.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:
Should just compensate it from the time he leaves home till he gets back home. Pretty sure that's how it was done at the hospital I worked at.
Then again, do you guys even have basic on call rates + overtime for when something actually happens?

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

It's pretty typical that any on-call work has a minimum compensation. Last time I had a job with on-call it was 3 hours. Even if it only took me 5 minutes to fire up the VPN and reboot a server I got paid for 3 hours of work plus overtime.

Then again we've seen plenty of employers mentioned in this thread with no concept of fair compensation.

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Manslaughter posted:

Hello coworker
That sends me messages
Sliced up over several lines
I know
That this is just how you type
And you don't see anything wrong with it
But it's loving annoying
So
Stop it

I also love it when people use ellipsis as punctuation...

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

nitrogen posted:

I also love it when people use ellipsis as punctuation...

I have someone that sends in help desk tickets that mostly look like:

quote:

Hi Orcs....... I'm having some trouble again......... My Smartboard...... Mostly doesn't connect anymore....... Thanks for the help...

captkirk
Feb 5, 2010

nitrogen posted:

I also love it when people use ellipsis as punctuation...

A guy I work with compromises on the decision between periods and ellipsis by using two periods. "ok.." is a pretty common response of his. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I would read "OK..." as "OK if you want to do it that way. I think you're wrong but don't want to say that."

Probably reading too much into it though.

captkirk
Feb 5, 2010

Thanks Ants posted:

I would read "OK..." as "OK if you want to do it that way. I think you're wrong but don't want to say that."

Probably reading too much into it though.

But it's only two periods, so it's not even an ellipsis. Plus he'll say it to statements that you can't really contest. "Hey, I've got triage queue now." "Ok.."

stubblyhead
Sep 13, 2007

That is treason, Johnny!

Fun Shoe

Orcs and Ostriches posted:

I have someone that sends in help desk tickets that mostly look like:

A guy I used to work with did that, except with commas instead of periods.

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?
Or, on outlook where outlook will replace ... with … (a UTF8 elpisis that just takes up one character space...)

Or even worse…..
different ….... combinations of .. … ... periods and elpisises...

Woogles
Mar 23, 2007

hello

nitrogen posted:

Or, on outlook where outlook will replace ... with … (a UTF8 elpisis that just takes up one character space...)

Or even worse…..
different ….... combinations of .. … ... periods and elpisises...

Whoever does that needs to be shot into the sun.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.
Listen..,
You guys,
You just
need.
to.
chill out,.........
o
k
a
y
.
?

18 Character Limit
Apr 6, 2007

Screw you, Abed;
I can fix this!
Nap Ghost

nitrogen posted:

Or, on outlook where outlook will replace ... with … (a UTF8 elpisis that just takes up one character space...)

Or even worse…..
different ….... combinations of .. … ... periods and elpisises...

The kind of punctuation where you know how long they sat at a keyboard, pausing in thought and tapping period until the next sentence formed.

porkface
Dec 29, 2000

nitrogen posted:

Or, on outlook where outlook will replace ... with … (a UTF8 elpisis that just takes up one character space...)

Or even worse…..
different ….... combinations of .. … ... periods and elpisises...

I think that's SOS. It's a cry for help.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

totalnewbie posted:

Listen..,
You guys,
You just
need.
to.
chill out,.........
o
k
a
y
.
?

I hate when people on IRC do this and floods my terminal window

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT

Bob Morales posted:

"Don't party with your XYZ Corp shirt on" is basically our CEO's motto. Which of course isn't a bad thing.

This happened over here. Wasn't a company outing, but a lot of the people on that trip were from that company. Doesn't look too good.

http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/breckenridge-man-accused-of-igniting-fire-on-dog-i

mewse
May 2, 2006

nitrogen posted:

Or, on outlook where outlook will replace ... with … (a UTF8 elpisis that just takes up one character space...)

Or even worse…..
different ….... combinations of .. … ... periods and elpisises...

Outlook also changes :) to the webdings symbol for a smiley face, which corresponds to a capital J in any other font. That's why smileys on an iphone will show as J

e: oh look our forums converts the smiley as well haha *disables smileys*

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Oh you folks and your comp time and overtime.

I'm paid to do a job, so they don't need to give me comp time/overtime (I'm salary exempt, and yes, I'm 95% sure I fall within the exempt status), because if it takes me 18 hours to do my job, I should be back in the office the next day for my usual 8.

At least that's how my boss put it. I was tempted to ask, if I finish my job in 4 hours can I just leave? But that's a dumb question because there's always more work to do, so 8 hours a day it is, no more, no less (usually..)

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

MF_James posted:

Oh you folks and your comp time and overtime.

I'm paid to do a job, so they don't need to give me comp time/overtime (I'm salary exempt, and yes, I'm 95% sure I fall within the exempt status), because if it takes me 18 hours to do my job, I should be back in the office the next day for my usual 8.

At least that's how my boss put it. I was tempted to ask, if I finish my job in 4 hours can I just leave? But that's a dumb question because there's always more work to do, so 8 hours a day it is, no more, no less (usually..)

You are responsible for what you let your employer get away with.

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Sickening posted:

You are responsible for what you let your employer get away with.

Sickening posted:

You are responsible for what you let your employer get away with.


Multiquoting for truth.

I was talking with a dev earlier that just doesn't seem to understand how email and reality work.

:awesomelon: "Why didn't you email me about ${maintenance}?"
:eng101: "I did, actually. I sent a message to ${DISTRO} that you are a member of."
:awesomelon: "I have rules that would have deleted it if it was sent to that distro, it gets spammed too much."
:eng101: According to this procedure, if we do anything on ${application} we are to email ${DISTRO} and let them know. If this procedure is not sufficient, can you please send a request to our documentation coordinator so we can get the docs updated?"
:awesomelon: "Nah, that procedure is right, that's who you should notify."

[multiple different types of ellipses here]

Foxtrot_13
Oct 31, 2013
Ask me about my love of genocide denial!
poo poo pissing me off

Having to constantly switch out CD's from drives because the specialist software we use checks the CD is in the drive as a form of copy protection.

Is there any way to automatically mount ISO's automatically on start up in windows 7 and 10?

I know 10 can mount them with a right click but I need it to be more transparent to the users

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

You could probably write a batch script that fires during logon, or something in powershell depending on what you have access to. If a logon script type thing is not OK, you could write the script, put it on their desktop and tell them to double-click that every morning.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Foxtrot_13 posted:

poo poo pissing me off

Having to constantly switch out CD's from drives because the specialist software we use checks the CD is in the drive as a form of copy protection.

Is there any way to automatically mount ISO's automatically on start up in windows 7 and 10?

I know 10 can mount them with a right click but I need it to be more transparent to the users

Can you dig up daemon tools or whatever the kids use these days to emulate a CDROM

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

Thanks Ants posted:

I would read "OK..." as "OK if you want to do it that way. I think you're wrong but don't want to say that."

Probably reading too much into it though.

No it's clearly structured:

OK. = got it, on it, I'll let you know if I have problems/questions
OK.. = I have no clue how to do that and *might* ask
OK... = that's a stupid thing to do but welp, I'll try it

Any more than 3 automatically goes into the "lazy and/or inept" bucket because it's usually some paranoid idiot with too many goddamn questions (who won't believe or listen to you), or someone so computer illiterate that their brain locks up and they just keep pressing period until someone slaps them.

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

Foxtrot_13 posted:

poo poo pissing me off

Having to constantly switch out CD's from drives because the specialist software we use checks the CD is in the drive as a form of copy protection.

Is there any way to automatically mount ISO's automatically on start up in windows 7 and 10?

I know 10 can mount them with a right click but I need it to be more transparent to the users

You could use WinCDEmu to mount the ISO and keep the drive after a restart; http://wincdemu.sysprogs.org/tutorials/persist/

I kinda prefer using that to Daemon tools.

Antioch
Apr 18, 2003
We used to be OK with drinks at work at holiday times, xmas parties, summer fridays, that sort of thing. Then we got a recovering alcoholic CEO who put the boots down on any drinking on company time or dime. I mean, I get it, I wouldn't want to be around that if I was trying to not drink, but there's like, 500 of us in the head office. *You* avoid it, let the rest of us have beers ya grump.
We just got permission last year to allow food trucks in the parking lot. Once a month, no more.

Daylen Drazzi
Mar 10, 2007

Why do I root for Notre Dame? Because I like pain, and disappointment, and anguish. Notre Dame Football has destroyed more dreams than the Irish Potato Famine, and that is the kind of suffering I can get behind.

pixaal posted:

Have him stay late and give him comp time, is that not acceptable? It's tonight so moving it to a 1p-9p wont work, but have him work a half day tomorrow or something. I mean I guess you could call it an extra 5pm-8:30pm if you want to not round up for pulling a 12 hour shift. With the drive he might as well just stay there the entire time, I have an hour commute and know I would (actually far more likely to just go to a bar for 3 hours, seriously what am I going to do with an hour at home that's just lovely).

It is on him for living that far away, he took the job and chose where he lives. It sucks but he needs to find something to do, just know if you don't tell him to stay on site and do busy work and comp it he's very likely to just go get drunk.

It turns out the other Virtualization admin only lives 20 minutes away, so I don't feel quite so bad now. Also, he decided to leave early and come back in and planned for a 2-hour block. I told him that was insane and had him drop it to 1 hour. I'm hoping it will actually take 10 minutes. Also, our team lead is out for the rest of the week after finding out his roof is shot to hell and needs complete replacement. He was only planning on being out yesterday and maybe today. When the project manager came to tell me I was in charge I looked at the techs and in a high-pitched squeaky voice said, "We're doomed!"

The PM just sighed like some long-suffering parent and smiled while shaking his head. Apparently I am good for morale boosting and have moments when I am pretty drat funny.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Daylen Drazzi posted:

It turns out the other Virtualization admin only lives 20 minutes away, so I don't feel quite so bad now. Also, he decided to leave early and come back in and planned for a 2-hour block. I told him that was insane and had him drop it to 1 hour. I'm hoping it will actually take 10 minutes. Also, our team lead is out for the rest of the week after finding out his roof is shot to hell and needs complete replacement. He was only planning on being out yesterday and maybe today. When the project manager came to tell me I was in charge I looked at the techs and in a high-pitched squeaky voice said, "We're doomed!"

The PM just sighed like some long-suffering parent and smiled while shaking his head. Apparently I am good for morale boosting and have moments when I am pretty drat funny.

Game over man, game over.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

nitrogen posted:

Multiquoting for truth.

I was talking with a dev earlier that just doesn't seem to understand how email and reality work.

:awesomelon: "Why didn't you email me about ${maintenance}?"
:eng101: "I did, actually. I sent a message to ${DISTRO} that you are a member of."
:awesomelon: "I have rules that would have deleted it if it was sent to that distro, it gets spammed too much."
:eng101: According to this procedure, if we do anything on ${application} we are to email ${DISTRO} and let them know. If this procedure is not sufficient, can you please send a request to our documentation coordinator so we can get the docs updated?"
:awesomelon: "Nah, that procedure is right, that's who you should notify."

[multiple different types of ellipses here]

I think he understands how it works perfectly well. He's telling you he plans on ignoring ${application}.

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Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer

A few pages ago but yes, thank you. I was on mobile but for some reason it screwed up copy/paste

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