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Toxxupation posted:Is Agents of SHIELD actually good or is it what I suspect, it fumbling to and flailing at better-known Marvel storylines and concepts? Like, would watching it be a series of cool deep cuts to MU stuff that would never show up in the MCU proper or is it a bunch of also-rans pretending to be important? I ask because the Agents of SHIELD comic feels really fake and weird and kind of almost like fanfiction despite being 616 canon and I'm wondering if the tv show has that same sort of weird unreality to it as well.
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Toxxupation posted:Is Agents of SHIELD actually good or is it what I suspect, it fumbling to and flailing at better-known Marvel storylines and concepts? Like, would watching it be a series of cool deep cuts to MU stuff that would never show up in the MCU proper or is it a bunch of also-rans pretending to be important? I ask because the Agents of SHIELD comic feels really fake and weird and kind of almost like fanfiction despite being 616 canon and I'm wondering if the tv show has that same sort of weird unreality to it as well. It doesn't adapt comic book storylines.
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May 17, 2016 13:43
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Toxxupation posted:If people say it's good, I'll give it a shot approaching with an open mind, but the early extreme negativity (and how everyone insisted it "got good after Winter Soldier") combined with what I've anecdotally seen doesn't exactly inspire confidence. On the other hand, though, I really love stuff like the Kree (and the Inhumans) so I'd be interested in a TV show that deals with that as a concept. There are always people who will say a show is good or even great. So if that is what you are looking for, you might as well just watch it. As someone who watches or has watched most superhero/comic related things, AoS in my opinion is mediocre at its very best. DC shows tend to try to go big though they usually fall on their face. AoS is trying to go big lately, but it's mostly just been kind of boring. It isn't usually as pants on head dumb as the CW shows have been, thankfully, but its biggest offense is just being boring. Compared to the Netflix shows, its super bland and compared to the CW shows, it doesn't even like being all that comic booky and is also bland. If you are coming in as an MCU fan, then the best way to put AoS is that at this point, it is a non-canon show that exists in its own expanded universe, away from the movies and the Netflix shows. If you don't care about comic book stuff, then you might as well check it out, but I suspect there are better sci-fi action shows on TV right now.
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May 17, 2016 13:51
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I enjoy AoS, but it has its shortcomings of course. Everything seems to take place within the tiny AoS world bubble, with no real repercussions towards anyone outside of the same characters over and over again. It all seems pretty small-scale overall, but I'm sure being limited to tv budget will do that. (Side note: whoever is in charge of the 3D jet animations/compositing has always done a stellar job; they're always beautiful.) Once Ward uh, did his thing awhile ago (you'll know when it happens), the show got much more engaging but even I still do not care about the Inhumans' goals/anything. It's never going to happen no matter how much Skye pleads. (and I like Skye a lot, shut up Rhyno) The show nails its guest appearances (Bill Paxton, Kyle McL, John Hannah, Powers Boothe) and Mockingbird was a great addition, please come back Mockingbird.
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May 17, 2016 14:24
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Season 1 was mostly bad but finished well. Season 2 was mostly good. Season 3 has kind of been dragging because it's mostly been more or less a single long-running plot and it's mostly kind of boring.
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May 17, 2016 14:59
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irlZaphod posted:Season 1 was mostly bad but finished well. Pretty much exactly agree. The season 2 finale was legitimately one of the best episodes of a comics TV series. AoS has a really similar flow to the X-files (including long stretches of mediocre episodes in a row). If you like the MCU and could tolerate the X-files at it's worst, I would guess that you will like AoS.
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May 17, 2016 15:34
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The best episode to start AoS with is the one that begins with Don't Fear the Reaper. That was badass.
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May 17, 2016 15:46
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If you watched the last 6 or so episodes of S1 and didn't like it, you aren't going to like season 2 or 3.
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May 17, 2016 16:02
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Most of the posters in the thread will insist it's better written than the CW shows so they can feel like they're watching something superior, but they're wrong. So do you like the Flash and Arrow? Because it's the same.
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May 17, 2016 16:20
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So, I have a long weekend coming up, and no dignity. Should I durnk binge watch ARrow s4, Flash s2, gotham s2, agent carter s2, or shield s2-3?
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May 17, 2016 16:23
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Aphrodite posted:Most of the posters in the thread will insist it's better written than the CW shows so they can feel like they're watching something superior, but they're wrong. The only major difference between the two is their "scope". AoS is a globe trotting piece about world threats, while Flash and Arrow are grounded to singular locales to a greater degree. I do think AoS handles some of the interpersonal drama better, but make no mistake, it's all melodrama.
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May 17, 2016 16:24
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, I have a long weekend coming up, and no dignity. Should I durnk binge watch ARrow s4, Flash s2, gotham s2, agent carter s2, or shield s2-3?
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May 17, 2016 16:30
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He said season 2, so not really. SHIELD S2 is better than Carter S2.
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May 17, 2016 16:32
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, I have a long weekend coming up, and no dignity. Should I durnk binge watch ARrow s4, Flash s2, gotham s2, agent carter s2, or shield s2-3? Did you watch Carter S1? Then Carter S2. Otherwise, Shield S2-3, fast-forwarding over anything that's boring you. Even with no dignity, that's already too much to binge-watch Gotham. redbackground fucked around with this message at 17:02 on May 17, 2016 |
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May 17, 2016 16:55
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I did watch s1. So, Carter s2, then Shield s2-3. Is there any specific drinking I should for this?
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May 17, 2016 16:57
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bunnyofdoom posted:I did watch s1. So, Carter s2, then Shield s2-3. Is there any specific drinking I should for this? All the drinking.
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May 17, 2016 17:02
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Comic Book Resources posted:When "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." returns to ABC this fall, the show will air in a new timeslot: Tuesday nights at 10 pm EST. This pushes the show back an hour from its original 9 pm slot, which will now be filled by "Fresh Off the Boat" and "The Real O'Neals." Welp. This is most certainly a death sentence for a show that was already hemorrhaging viewers 
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May 17, 2016 18:16
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I think Shield does a much better job of going against expectation than Flash or Arrow -- they seem to make a very deliberate effort to lead you into assuming it'll go general TV show resolution X then they do Y instead and that's nice to see. It's melodrama sure, but I honestly think most of the interpersonal stuff is handled more maturely than CW shows. Much less focus on high-school level love triangles and such (not to say there's 0 incidence of love triangles, they just tend to get resolved more rapidly than is normal.) There's also a lot less of people being total idiots for the sake of drama, but that DOES mean there's less drama in general and is hence can be kind of boring sometimes? I dunno, but it's the only currently running superhero show I actually look forward to watching week-to-week.
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May 17, 2016 18:35
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Jonny_Rocket posted:Welp. This is most certainly a death sentence for a show that was already hemorrhaging viewers I thought 10pm timeslots were on the tail end of prime time TV in the USA? Granted, that's moving from the top of prime time to the end of it, but it's hardly a Friday night kiss of death.
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May 17, 2016 18:52
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DrProsek posted:I thought 10pm timeslots were on the tail end of prime time TV in the USA? Granted, that's moving from the top of prime time to the end of it, but it's hardly a Friday night kiss of death. That's true, but for a show that was already struggling to keep its viewers, moving it to a later time slot does no favors.
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May 17, 2016 19:03
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Goodbye Flash/AoS back-to-back, my favorite night of television
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May 17, 2016 19:05
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Jonny_Rocket posted:That's true, but for a show that was already struggling to keep its viewers, moving it to a later time slot does no favors. Ah, true, forgot that prime time isn't one giant blob of "good time", later in prime time is still bad even if it's just a small drop in viewers.
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May 17, 2016 19:52
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I guess the thing to do would be to look at the ratings numbers for action shows in the 10pm slot and compare them to current AoS numbers. If 10pm numbers across the board tend to be lower than current AoS numbers, then that is a very bad thing since that would mean they are knowingly putting a show in a slot where it will do worse.
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May 17, 2016 19:55
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10pm on Tuesday is currently a disaster zone for ABC -- Battlebots did a .6 last week, and Beyond the Tank was at .5 two weeks ago. ABC's thinking is that Shield has a reliable audience that will give them around a 1 in the key demo week after week, and tack another another .5 or so in DVR viewing. Compared to where they currently are, that's an improvement!
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howe_sam posted:10pm on Tuesday is currently a disaster zone for ABC -- Battlebots did a .6 last week, and Beyond the Tank was at .5 two weeks ago. Let's be real though, neither Battlebots nor Beyond the Tank had a chance at that timeslot. Maybe any time slot.
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May 17, 2016 20:09
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howe_sam posted:10pm on Tuesday is currently a disaster zone for ABC Jesus I didn't even know Battlebots was back until this post. I guess that's how bad of a disaster it is.
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AoS is currently the 2nd highest rated non-Shondaland show on ABC. Not sure if that is a reflection of ABC being in dire straits or a move like howe_sam says to strengthen their weakest block. Related: How are season 12 or whatever of Gray's Anatomy and Quantico pulling in so many people? They are doing crazy numbers for what they are (a show in double digit seasons where the majority of the main cast has left and a brand new show starring a complete unknown).
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TwoPair posted:Jesus I didn't even know Battlebots was back until this post. I guess that's how bad of a disaster it is. It's not, it was a preview episode. It returns later in the summer.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Related: How are season 12 or whatever of Gray's Anatomy and Quantico pulling in so many people? They are doing crazy numbers for what they are (a show in double digit seasons where the majority of the main cast has left and a brand new show starring a complete unknown). The complete unknown is loving hot as hell, I think it is as simple as that.
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May 17, 2016 21:06
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I'd been watching for Jake Puckerman from Glee. He doesn't do a lot, sadly.
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ABC canceled Galavant (easily one of my favorite shows ever), canceled Agent Carter, canceled THE MUPPETS, and isn't doing Marvel's Most Wanted. It's safe to say that ABC has no idea what they're doing and clearly hates everything good and pure in this world. (My tongue is only partially in my cheek.)
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May 17, 2016 21:25
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If more than you liked any of those shows they'd still be on.
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Aphrodite posted:If more than you liked any of those shows they'd still be on. I get other people not liking Galavant, but the Muppets? Have you people no souls!?
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wyntyr posted:I get other people not liking Galavant, but the Muppets? Have you people no souls!? It probably could have survived on ABC Family, or whatever it is called now. Primetime Muppets in modern times was a fantasy. Similarly, a prime time musical comedy was probably always a long shot for broadcast television.
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Muppets was a creative nightmare that basically nobody at ABC was satisfied with and didn't resonate with audiences at all. They fired the showrunner and hired a new one midway through the season who basically outright said the previous half-season was a mistake that misunderstood what the muppets was in favor of a weird depressed dramedy.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:AoS is currently the 2nd highest rated non-Shondaland show on ABC. Not sure if that is a reflection of ABC being in dire straits or a move like howe_sam says to strengthen their weakest block. As previously stated, Quantico stars the most beautiful woman on the planet so that doesn't hurt.
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May 17, 2016 22:01
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Chloe's callin' em out.
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Muppets started off a bit rocky but got really good. I thought it was a lot of fun.
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That is the single most whiny and self-entitled speech I've ever seen. And it ignores the inherent appeal of different stories in a shared universe, namely that they're different stories. Like even in the real actual 616, where there's no limitations on having to hire human beings to play characters and basically everyone can show up in everyone else's book whenever, you're not constantly seeing Squirrel Girl call on the New Avengers, the team she's currently a part of, just to hang out because it would just crowd out her own story. Like that's the whole bit of different names and lines- sure it's all part of the same universe and during crossovers and events they'll all come together but beyond that they stay part of their own spheres.
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Toxxupation posted:That is the single most whiny and self-entitled speech I've ever seen. And it ignores the inherent appeal of different stories in a shared universe, namely that they're different stories. Like even in the real actual 616, where there's no limitations on having to hire human beings to play characters and basically everyone can show up in everyone else's book whenever, you're not constantly seeing Squirrel Girl call on the New Avengers, the team she's currently a part of, just to hang out because it would just crowd out her own story. Like that's the whole bit of different names and lines- sure it's all part of the same universe and during crossovers and events they'll all come together but beyond that they stay part of their own spheres. Clark Gregg previously called people who had quit watching the show losers about a year ago. Sure made me want to tune back in! But yeah, Chloe Bennet is the weakest link in the cast, this doesn't help me like her any better. quote:The Marvel Cinematic Universe loves to pretend that everything is connected, but then they don’t acknowledge our show at all. So, I would love to do that, but they don’t seem to keen on that idea. That's because your how is terrible and everyone at Marvel's film division wants to pretend it doesn't exist.
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