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EnergizerFellow posted:The solution to that is to stop selling the SWB version entirely in the US (and possibly the Middle East, China, and South Africa as well) and keep the SWB though chunks of the EMEA/BRIC markets (which appears to be exactly what Volvo and Infiniti are doing). If memory serves, the SWB S-class, A8, and 7-series are now unavailable in the USA with the lone exception being the S8, which is SWB. I think Jaguar may still offer separate SWB/LWB models in the US? The XJ is available as a LWB or a SWB but nothing lower in the Jaguar range is available as a LWB in the USA.
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The A8 can still be had in SWB form, although it's pretty old and going to be replaced next year. Lexus LS too. I think the SWB thing in this segment is just price discrimination more than anything else, an excuse to charge more money. Since car prices in the US are relatively cheap it might have been a marginal case. Availability of stuff like the 6GC and A7 probably helps. EDIT: Beep boop everything in my world is a random alphanumeric Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 00:50 on May 18, 2016 |
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May 18, 2016 00:48
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KakerMix posted:Didn't they stop selling the 5 series wagon to sell that one (bloated thing) GT that then cannibalized the sales of their 7 series? All 10 of the BMW 5 GT's sold per year! The 5 estates-wagons were dropped for the USA because nobody was buying them over the X5/X3/etc as Americans have bad backs, drive on lovely roads, are surrounded by lifted bro-trucks and want a higher seating position so they can try to see around all the huge vehicles surrounding them...........also wagons are driven by women and are not manly enough for real Americans  Younger folk can still get a 3 series estate thankfully and I think they still sell decently enough to keep alive.
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May 18, 2016 00:55
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I have seen a number of those BMW GTs in the wild locally and they are incredibly ugly and hurtful to me. 
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May 18, 2016 01:00
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fyodor posted:I have seen a number of those BMW GTs in the wild locally and they are incredibly ugly and hurtful to me. This should make you feel better.  Oops, worse. i meant worse.
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I am theoretically in BMWs target market for the 3-series station wagon, but in the US the F31 is automatic only so I don't see why I would buy one.
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May 18, 2016 01:23
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Haha I assumed those were hatchbacks, what the gently caress is that abomination? BMW really thought that was acceptable? It boggles the mind.
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May 18, 2016 01:28
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Powershift posted:This should make you feel better. There's no way that isn't a hatch. It even has the body line above the back glass to open the hatch... What's happening? 
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May 18, 2016 01:32
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I'm pretty sure it's a split tailgate, the rear glass also lifts to create a bigger opening if you want.
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CornHolio posted:You know what guys I liked the interior of the 200 I sat in at the Detroit autoshow. The infotainment setup was particularly nice. The leather on the seats felt really cheap though. I don't think it's a terrible car, it's just the competition is so good now. I couldn't pick the 200 over say, a Mazda6, which is just an amazingly good sedan for under 30k. The 6's power may only be adequate, but it's incredibly efficient and Mazdas autobox is great.
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Powershift posted:This should make you feel better. I mucked around in the back of one of those not long ago. There's a panel that separates the trunk area from the passenger area that locks into place and can be folded down, you can see it folded down in this picture.  I swear these panels are 1/4" solid steel plate covered in mouse fur. I tried putting the back seats down to gauge the total storage capacity and almost threw out my back trying to manuever those ~60lb panels up and down. Are they supposed to be structural to the chassis? Armour plating? 
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You know what would go great with this beige car? A beige interior of course! Anyone else seeing goatse in that babby trunk picture?
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May 18, 2016 01:49
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the 4 series gran coopay actually owns though since it looks normal with the hatch closed. Think of all the drywall, backerboard, thinset and plants you can fit back there! I might get one as I am too lazy to bend over and squeeze my huge golf clubs into my 5 series trunk.
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It looks like Ford is bringing the Ranger back in a few years. Under $25k base price and a diesel option. http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2019-ford-ranger-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-feature Car and Driver posted:Platform: Our Ranger will use the same body-on-frame construction as the truck sold elsewhere in the world. Like GM’s mid-sizers, it’s only slightly smaller than its big brother; the crew cab is actually longer than a base F-150. But GM has proved that even big small trucks can sell without cannibalizing sales from the full-size lineup.
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BoostCreep posted:It looks like Ford is bringing the Ranger back in a few years. Under $25k base price and a diesel option. Neat. I wonder what the engine lineup will turn out to be. NA 2.5 I4 (stripper duty) NA 3.5/3.7 V6 (I could see this not being an option at all due to fuel economy requirements) EB 2.3 Diesel Edit: Sport model with the 2.7TT?! The F-150's with this motor are surprisingly quick. Imagine it put in a small, lighter, regular cab Ranger with 4WD. A modern GMC Syclone. Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 02:42 on May 18, 2016 |
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Maybe my sense of scale is just off but that thing still looks absolutely gigantic.
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Stealth Like posted:Maybe my sense of scale is just off but that thing still looks absolutely gigantic. It probably is, but that's just how Trucks are these days. I'd like to see one parked next to a 90's F-150 for comparison.
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KakerMix posted:Didn't they stop selling the 5 series wagon to sell that one (bloated thing) GT that then cannibalized the sales of their 7 series? Cannibalizing sales would mean that people bought them, so no. The reason for the GT is it's intentionally not as big or useful as the wagon or the 7 series to prevent
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Stealth Like posted:Maybe my sense of scale is just off but that thing still looks absolutely gigantic. It says right in the press release that the crew cab is actually longer than an f150
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Throatwarbler posted:The A8 can still be had in SWB form, although it's pretty old and going to be replaced next year. Lexus LS too. Well also because in thw US nobody really cares abour overall length since we have very few dense urba centers and even in those cities parking is usually marked so there's no real advantage to a shorter car. Swb is really more of a European market feature anyway.
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May 18, 2016 03:13
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2.7L Ecoboost or get hosed, Ford.
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Stealth Like posted:Maybe my sense of scale is just off but that thing still looks absolutely gigantic. They sell the current one in mexico, where they also have dodge rams.  A crew cab/6' box canyon is as long as an extended cab 6'5 box f-150. The only dimension these new trucks are smaller is width, and that's only 10 or 12 inches.
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Prob 1,000 lbs lighter though??
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Keyser S0ze posted:Prob 1,000 lbs lighter though?? Unless the ranger is aluminum too, probably not. A 2wd CCSB v6 f-150 is 4,475lbs. A 2wd CCSB 2.2 diesel aussie ranger is 4,398lbs, with the 3.2 diesel it's 4700lbs, more than a CCLB 3.5 ecoboost f-150 at 4685lbs.
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Wheeee posted:2.7L Ecoboost or get hosed, Ford. That fucker would move with this engine and probably be pretty fuel efficient. The real-world fuel economy boost in the F-150 compared to the 3.5L is ~10% without much loss of performance.
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Keyser S0ze posted:
Somewhere in Munich, a BMW marketing executive's Cialis just kicked in.
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Keyser S0ze posted:the 4 series gran coopay actually owns though since it looks normal with the hatch closed. Think of all the drywall, backerboard, thinset and plants you can fit back there! This might actually be my favorite car in their lineup. M cars included. 4-doors, frameless windows, and a hatch just gets me. 
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BoostCreep posted:It looks like Ford is bringing the Ranger back in a few years. Under $25k base price and a diesel option. Definitely interesting, especially the engine lineup. We'll see. Maybe an all turbo lineup? I can't imagine it not getting the 2.3EB and 2.7EB engines, along with the diesel. But is there room for a fourth engine (NA V6?)....? Stealth Like posted:Maybe my sense of scale is just off but that thing still looks absolutely gigantic. Mange Mite posted:It says right in the press release that the crew cab is actually longer than an f150 See above. Keyser S0ze posted:Prob 1,000 lbs lighter though?? I'm really hoping this gets done right. Will be a great gas/HD companion to a model 3. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 05:26 on May 18, 2016 |
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Single cable silverado v6 2wd is something like 4300 - 4400lbs. This is mildly upsetting when you consider the 1600lb bed capacity to the weight of a loving midsize sedan.
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Christobevii3 posted:Single cable silverado v6 2wd is something like 4300 - 4400lbs. This is mildly upsetting when you consider the 1600lb bed capacity to the weight of a loving midsize sedan. a 2.7eb RCSB f-150 is 4139lbs with a GVWR of 6010lbs A Challenger R/T is 4,202lbs with a GVWR of 5450lbs So a challenger R/T is very nearly a half-ton pickup.
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Keyser S0ze posted:All 10 of the BMW 5 GT's sold per year! The 5 estates-wagons were dropped for the USA because nobody was buying them over the X5/X3/etc as Americans have bad backs, drive on lovely roads, are surrounded by lifted bro-trucks and want a higher seating position so they can try to see around all the huge vehicles surrounding them...........also wagons are driven by women and are not manly enough for real Americans The X5 is probably one of the most comfortable vehicles ever, so I can see why people would buy one to drive around on lovely bumpy roads.
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They attended to the complaints that everyone was making about the original X5 being a horribly uncomfortable car to drive in then...
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It helps a lot if you ditch the stupid-rear end runflat tires. And I guess you have to get the air suspension as well.
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Can we all agree that the X6 is the dumbest and worst thing ever, at least? Every time I see one it's painful to me.
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PT6A posted:Can we all agree that the X6 is the dumbest and worst thing ever, at least? Every time I see one it's painful to me. I agree they're pointless, but I love the shape.
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PT6A posted:Can we all agree that the X6 is the dumbest and worst thing ever, at least? Every time I see one it's painful to me. It looks like one of those caricature car drawings, something a kid would like.
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88h88 posted:It looks like one of those caricature car drawings, something a kid would like. same thing for stanced cars
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The X6 looks like a toy and while I also like the shape it's pretty useless at anything it does besides be a status symbol. It could handle better if it wasn't so tall and hold more if the shape wasn't what it is. It really seems like an expensive SSR without the lol GM part.
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Keyser S0ze posted:the 4 series gran coopay actually owns though since it looks normal with the hatch closed. Think of all the drywall, backerboard, thinset and plants you can fit back there! Goddamn. I actually want one of these. 
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BoostCreep posted:It looks like Ford is bringing the Ranger back in a few years. Under $25k base price and a diesel option. Im more excited about the potential for a new Bronco, the only thing I wonder is if it will be based off the ranger platform. I'd like to see something closer to the wheel base of the original 60's Broncos.
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