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Chicken posted:It's amazing talking to people from Saskatchewan who complain about crown corporations and how because they are owned by the government they must be more expensive. They genuinely do not understand that the rest of Canada pays significantly more for phone, internet, and car insurance and that private companies charge similar rates to Sasktel because they have to compete with them. My sister didn't believe me until I told her to go to the Rogers website and change the province in the little drop down box. Her plan in Saskatchewan is $60 and would be $90+ anywhere else in Canada. I was at a social gathering of young hipsterish 20 somethings the other evening and at one point the conversation briefly turned toward how awful Canada's cell phone plans are. I generally try to avoid politics chat in situations like that for obvious reasons but I did opine that Canadian telecommunications companies are extremely parasitic and that they're essentially a useless middle man utilizing government supported infrastructure while keeping the profits of their activities private. I cited South Korea as an example of a country with much better cell phone plans that we could potentially use as a way of measuring just how bad our own telecomms are. The two replies I got was a young woman who kept repeating that "some people" think that "more competition" would be the answer. I didn't probe her for details and instead moved the conversation to a different topic but it was fascinating the way she kept repeating this line about "competition" as though the word itself had some kind of magical power to automatically improve services. The other response I remember was a guy dismissing the comparison between Canada and Korea because there are more people in Korea. It was a brief exchange in-between more banal topics and I don't want to read too deeply into it but I did find it pretty telling, and very similar to other conversations I have with young and professionally oriented people these days. So far as I can tell the comments about "competition" weren't based on any kind of knowledge of telecomms or even any kind of sophisticated economic theory -- "more competition" is just one of those buzzwords that immediately sounds like it would make things better. And even though South Korea is barely a generation away from having a Human Development Index comparable to Somalia, we already think it's natural that they as a society would have better technology than we do. The take away here being, for me at least, that it really is remarkable how inclined Canadians are to see our perpetual state of national mediocrity as some kind of natural order that could never be changed or altered. And the ones who do see room for improvement are mostly just imagining how much more efficient we'd be if our leaders chugged more Free Market cool aid.
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May 18, 2016 22:14
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I think it's sort of a truism that any country could always be made somewhat better or somewhat worse than it currently is.
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May 18, 2016 22:18
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Do it ironically posted:I know De Grood will be found NCR but it's funny that, and this is part of the crown's questioning, he immediately used the lawyer's advice and wouldn't talk to the police right after being arrested, and when first met the psychiatrist knew about NCR as a defence of a crime. Um, i don't really care what kind of distress you're in but anyone with even a passing knowledge of LEOs and the criminal justice system knows that the cops are not your friends and to never talk to them without a lwayer. I
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May 18, 2016 22:19
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Hey guys, who wants to see an actual loving email from the worst canadian I got tonight.quote:To Rona Ambrose: Conservative Interim Leader Any wonder I drink? (Typos are from the original document and marked by me)
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May 18, 2016 22:20
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God dammit I hate when American craziness leaks. I'm not saying things are great for transgendered people, but targeted victimization and bathroom bills seem a more recent phenomena following on the heels of Americans.
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May 18, 2016 22:26
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JVNO posted:God dammit I hate when American craziness leaks. I'm not saying things are great for transgendered people, but targeted victimization and bathroom bills seem a more recent phenomena following on the heels of Americans. He's writing because we're saying gently caress that noise to that bullshit pre-emptively
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May 18, 2016 22:27
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Let's all congratulate ourselves on not being Amerikkkan and on having such a dreamy progressive Prime Minister for ten pages. Nobody in Canada would be mean to trans people if not for those nasty Amerikkkans.
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May 18, 2016 22:29
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yeah i mean canada isn't a poo poo rear end backwater because we're just building up all that dry powder of exceptionalism you know save for a rainy day
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May 18, 2016 22:31
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I hope that the Justin cuts off all our dicks and grow new humans in incubation chambers so that we can be done with this stupid bullshit and focus on real issues like generating market wealth for our masters.
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May 18, 2016 22:32
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bunnyofdoom posted:Hey guys, who wants to see an actual loving email from the worst canadian I got tonight. This begs for a dramatic reading. Also, has any man ever given the slightest gently caress about a woman being in the men's room? No, because men and boys are not property which must be protected from the threat of evil vaginas. Women and girls, if they were to accidentally see a penis on the otherhand, are automatically damaged goods. And that's before the penis detects a woman and begins the auto-rape sequence. Seriously, could we exile these people along with Francoists (too many of those fuckers still wandering around, I've noticed)* and jihadis to some kind of shithole where they can jerk themselves off to their religious purity and/or kill each other? * It was not allowed to access the grave of the Nationalist oval office who held the Alcazar of Toledo, or I'd have spat on it. And maybe taken a piss if no one was looking.
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May 18, 2016 22:40
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Helsing posted:Let's all congratulate ourselves on not being Amerikkkan and on having such a dreamy progressive Prime Minister for ten pages. Nobody in Canada would be mean to trans people if not for those nasty Amerikkkans. Yeah I didn't say this you disingenuous arsehole. I specifically said things aren't peachy for trans people in Canada- in fact far from it. But this particular brand of craziness over bathroom bills did not originate in Canada. I've volunteered in the LBGT community for years- I'm bi and most of my friends are some flavour of queer. So I'm not some ignorant gently caress claiming Canada is immune to transphobia. Right now a close friend of mine is busting his rear end selling off possessions and artwork to self fund a top surgery that should be covered by UHC as far as I'm concerned. And that's just one of many, many issues that need to be addressed. I also don't give a poo poo about Canadian exceptionalism or posturing as 'better than Americans'.
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May 18, 2016 22:43
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Helsing posted:The take away here being, for me at least, that it really is remarkable how inclined Canadians are to see our perpetual state of national mediocrity as some kind of natural order that could never be changed or altered. And the ones who do see room for improvement are mostly just imagining how much more efficient we'd be if our leaders chugged more Free Market cool aid. I wouldn't be so surprised, I recognize that type of commentary too. Everyone spends their lives bombarded by that "free market" crap, either outright stated or implied in every news broadcast and in every paper both here and from the US. The only reasons I don't buy into it are because a)I've always been relatively poor compared to my neighbours and b) I grew up reading enough sci fi dystopias to know one when I see one. If your personal story arc goes from 'the pink ranger gives me funny feelings in my pants>
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May 18, 2016 22:44
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JVNO posted:Yeah I didn't say this you disingenuous arsehole. I specifically said things aren't peachy for trans people in Canada- in fact far from it. But this particular brand of craziness over bathroom bills did not originate in Canada.
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May 18, 2016 22:51
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I'm paying less than €10/2GB data in Europe where I pay like $60 for the same in Canada, on contract no less. Canadian telcoms can go suck my rear end in a top hat.
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May 18, 2016 22:52
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jm20 posted:So think that Saskatoon would be much better without some ethnic minority for which you think are both economically inferior and prone to violence. This being the only problem you've identified with the city. No, I think it would be better without the gang violence.
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May 18, 2016 22:54
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Trans people should be given the autonomy and respect to figure things out for themselves but the fact that the bathroom usage of approximately 0.1% of the population has been turned into the great progressive cause of our times is about as good an indicator as I think of for how totally hosed we are. I don't think this issue would be nearly so popular if it didn't afford a lot of young people the chance to congratulate themselves on being so sexually forward thinking while leaving any awkward or divisive conversations about economics or the environment completely off the table. I feel like such a typical lefty shithead bemoaning identity politics as getting in the way of economic populism, and you know, it may very well be that there's some of that going on below the surface. But gently caress if I can't help but get irritated at the extent to which representation has replaced redistribution as the focus of leftist activism. It's gotten to the point where I can't help but be annoyed by people for whom sexual politics just seems to be everything. JVNO posted:Yeah I didn't say this you disingenuous arsehole. I specifically said things aren't peachy for trans people in Canada- in fact far from it. But this particular brand of craziness over bathroom bills did not originate in Canada. I can't read your mind and know exactly what you mean or what your own life experiences are. All I know is that you just characterized transphobia as somehow being an example of America "leaking". Framing any conservative idea or instinct as some kind of American mind virus that is infecting the Canadian body politic is a very common and, for the most part, really counter productive habit that a lot of Canadian progressives have adopted. Also, for what it's worth, my reply was mostly targetted at bunnyofdoom, a guy who seems very nice and personable but who I think has a really obnoxious habit of just coming in here to post feel good stories about Trudeau while simply refusing to ever acknowledge or discuss the fact that on most substantive issues the Liberals aren't notably different or better than the Conservatives. As I see it, someone who comes here to talk about their job working for a political party should have the loving balls to actually debate and discuss their governments behavior instead of just going "gee whizz look at the dumb thing some redneck wrote in an e-mail".
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yo, if we start giving people free sex changes, will they also fund penis enlargement? asking for a friend
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May 18, 2016 22:57
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Stickarts posted:Agreed. I'm in a cabin in the woods still working on my manifesto. Thanks to my provincial crown corporation I have internet service up here, and it is surprisingly affordable! I don't live in Saskatchewan anymore so very little these days. but the school I went to used to bus natives in from the reserve daily to go to our school, so I had plenty of contact with "reserve" natives. I have no animosity towards natives, and don't think they should life themselves up by their own bootstraps. Neither do I get mad at bums on the street, I am no a conservative, I vote NDP or Liberal in some cases. I don't lock my door at stop lights unless the bum is super sketchy and acting like they are high on drugs.
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Helsing posted:
Ok fine. Let's do this. You are so full of poo poo with your little Liberal Tory same story bullshit. You claim that we are the same based off cherry picked bullshit one offs. And yhes, our platform is very different from the CPC, including alot of legislation and other governmental functions, and yet every single time I bring this up, or god forbid, point out by your same logic NDP/Tory same story because they voted with the cons on many issues, I get shut down so you can have your little circlejerk. So, stop deflecting cause JVNO is sick of your poo poo, stop dumping on me, and stop insisting we aren't notably different than the conservatives because that is such a load of bullshit. You are the archtypical stereotypical "leftist" that gives conservatives boners and Rush whines about. I am sick of your poo poo.
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May 18, 2016 23:01
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Helsing posted:Trans people should be given the autonomy and respect to figure things out for themselves but the fact that the bathroom usage of approximately 0.1% of the population has been turned into the great progressive cause of our times is about as good an indicator as I think of for how totally hosed we are. I don't think this issue would be nearly so popular if it didn't afford a lot of young people the chance to congratulate themselves on being so sexually forward thinking while leaving any awkward or divisive conversations about economics or the environment completely off the table. The only person who is pretending that people can only care about one thing at once is you.
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Helsing posted:Trans people should be given the autonomy and respect to figure things out for themselves but the fact that the bathroom usage of approximately 0.1% of the population has been turned into the great progressive cause of our times is about as good an indicator as I think of for how totally hosed we are. I don't think this issue would be nearly so popular if it didn't afford a lot of young people the chance to congratulate themselves on being so sexually forward thinking while leaving any awkward or divisive conversations about economics or the environment completely off the table. Actually I think the right of a significant minority of people to be guaranteed the right to relieve themselves in a public washroom safely is pretty important. Surely such basic human rights are more important than money, or is this just the leftist version of FYGM?
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PT6A posted:Actually I think the right of a significant minority of people to be guaranteed the right to relieve themselves in a public washroom safely is pretty important. Surely such basic human rights are more important than money, or is this just the leftist version of FYGM? It's the old leftist bullshit about marginalised groups agitating for their particular concerns getting in the way of the ~real~ revolution, which is the white male worker's.
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May 18, 2016 23:04
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"justin really is better u guys he'll make canada the best it can be just give him a chance"
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Cultural Imperial posted:"justin really is better u guys he'll make canada the best it can be just give him a chance" You know I'm right when CI mocks me.
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May 18, 2016 23:06
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JVNO posted:I specifically said things aren't peachy for trans people in Canada- in fact far from it. Yeah, it seemed obvious to me that's what you meant. Guess this isn't important to people. Also given that poo poo like someone literally firebombing a sex reassignment clinic in Montreal this month it's definitely more of a "thank god we have this silver-lining moment" than a token "pat on the Canuck back" moment. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/arsonist-attempted-to-set-fire-to-canadas-only-clinic-providing-sex-reassignment-surgeries
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May 18, 2016 23:08
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When will Trans Mountain be required to pass a new review process as promised during the election?
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May 18, 2016 23:08
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THC posted:When will Trans Mountain be required to pass a new review process as promised during the election? Right now? Case in point on the cherry picking.
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May 18, 2016 23:10
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The LPC is very different from the CPC in the way they frame issues and manage issues, but looking at the end legislation I don't think they differ at all. The LPC is for sure walking back some legislation that touches on social issues but the CPC did all the deregulation dirty work for them which will remain on the books. At the end of the day lobbyists and industry group lawyers write the bills that get tabled by both parties.
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May 18, 2016 23:11
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That's not a new process. They just added some steps to the existing process. We were promised an entirely new review.
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May 18, 2016 23:13
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Did PT6A and Helsing just body-swap or something? What is going on?
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THC posted:That's not a new process. They just added some steps to the existing process. We were promised an entirely new review. Ah yes, the classic splitting hairs. No true Scotsman and poo poo. Yes, it is a new process. And yes, they need to be reviewed. But I'm sorry we're not immediately cancelling it. Or wait, would you bitch about that if we did because the LPC did it?
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Funkdreamer posted:Did PT6A and Helsing just body-swap or something? What is going on? Helsing's been slightly more like me lately, but I don't think I've moderated myself at all. All truculence, all the time! In all honesty, I think my positions are more or less completely consistent with what I've always said, barring the occasions where I've admitted to being wrong and changing my view. PT6A fucked around with this message at 23:18 on May 18, 2016 |
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May 18, 2016 23:15
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When NEB approves KM TM on Friday I will only be mad because it's a Liberal government doing it
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May 18, 2016 23:18
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drat near brawl in the House Of Common. Justin becoming more and more like his father.
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THC posted:When NEB approves KM TM on Friday I will only be mad because it's a Liberal government doing it Uh-huh. So, no other comments on me pointing out your cherry picking? Would you like a link to all the poo poo done different from the CPC? How about all the bills the NDP voted in lockstep with the CPC on? But yes, yes, since you are so sure this will be happening, this proves the LPC is evil and terrible. This kinda circlejerk bs is why I don't post. Also, Helsing stopped posting. Whoops. As I see it, someone who comes here to talk about their feelings about a political should have the loving balls to actually debate and discuss when their poo poo gets called out instead of going "liberal/tory same story"
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lmao it's cherry picking when it's facts you don't like bitch
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You calling it a new review process is like if I claimed I put out an entirely new app today when really I just fixed some issues resolving dates in regions that use the Buddhist calendar.
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THC posted:You calling it a new review process is like if I claimed I put out an entirely new app today when really I just fixed some issues resolving dates in regions that use the Buddhist calendar. And you are calling it the old process like if we changed the app, updated it, added new features, disabled gps, fixed bugs like we left the font the same. Also, again, you are ignoring all my other points, but then again, you do that with anything you disagree with.
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