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Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Basically the Sopranos is more episodic, it has the longterm arcs but there's still that feeling of checking in on our characters every week for some self-contained stories. Whereas Breaking Bad is more of a continuous thing.

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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
To me it comes down to BB and The Shield being more "actiony" than Sopranos etc. Although certainly a show like BB straddles the line.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
You're good. Fuckin' walnuts don't lie as good as you.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
Leave the loving cheese there, all right? I love fuckin' cheese at my feet! I stick motherfuckin' provolone in my socks at night, so they smell like your sister's crotch in the morning. Alright? Now leave the loving cocksucking cheese where it is!

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.

Tao Jones posted:

Leave the loving cheese there, all right? I love fuckin' cheese at my feet! I stick motherfuckin' provolone in my socks at night, so they smell like your sister's crotch in the morning. Alright? Now leave the loving cocksucking cheese where it is!

Motherfucking goddamn orange peel beef!

fuckpot
May 20, 2007

Lurking beneath the water
The future Immortal awaits

Team Anasta
Hey

Cheese gently caress

Get me some food.

LloydDobler
Oct 15, 2005

You shared it with a dick.

Hey dudes who haven't watched The Shield, go do it, it's worth it. It loses a lot of "one of the greatest shows ever" credibility with me for its lovely soundtrack and lovely opening theme song, which is so 2002 it's laughable. But definitely up there among other legendary shows. I'd put it on par with shows like Justified or Dexter (seasons 1-4).

Season 5 blew me away with Forest Whitaker's guest spot. His character was the personification of "Don't try to fight your enemy on their level, they'll drag you down and then beat you with experience". His arc is amazing.

I agree someone should find and resurrect the Shield thread. It's also the one show on the list of greatest shows that I've only watched once. I think I need to watch it again. Hell, I've already seen the first 3 seasons of Game of Thrones 3 times (I rewatch it every time a new season comes out) this show definitely deserves a second watch. Except it's no longer free on Amazon Prime. God dammit.

Sorry for continuing the derail.

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.





Soiled Meat
I watched the first few seasons but I found the heist story line tedious. I should try to get back into it.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Did you warble, my little wren?

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.
President Franklin's my best friend, and he's in THERE.

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?
I'd put the Shield on a level above Justified by a lot actually.

The supporting cast of the Shield blows Justified's out of the water. I mean besides Raylan and Crowder, there's really not much character development to go around. Also, the villains on Justified are almost laughable at times, example that guy who's from that CBS sitcom threatening to kill Raylan's family. On the other side, Forest Whitaker's character was terrifying, and he was supposed to be representing the good side.

Edit: It's been a while since I've seen it but I forgot about Mags and Neal McDonough's character. They were pretty good.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

LloydDobler posted:

Season 5 blew me away with Forest Whitaker's guest spot. His character was the personification of "Don't try to fight your enemy on their level, they'll drag you down and then beat you with experience". His arc is amazing.

"IT TASTES LIKE PISS TO ME!" - watching him spiral out of control was loving amazing.

Also something I loved about the Shield that I don't think was particularly planned but ended up working so well was how there is one main cast member who essentially is just.... there. For a long time he's just the guy who makes up the numbers, a vital member of the cast but essentially without any real sense of individual character. Then in the last season for a variety of reasons the spotlight falls on him and you (and Vic especially) realize just what an incredible asset he is and it makes you wonder what could have been if he'd been given a chance to step up to the plate earlier.

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?
Ronald loving Gardocki

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Chromatic posted:

Ronald loving Gardocki

"So who was the girl?"
"I don't know, I picked her up at a bar."
"....you only just met her and she was coming back to your place for the night?"
"I'll teach you sometime :smug:"

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
The Shield is one of the only shows that's managed to shock me - I'm thinking of the episode where Benito Martinez's character has a very bad day, in particular.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
There were definitely at least two or three things that happened in The Shield that just shocked me in how far they were willing to go. Still to this day I'm not sure any other show has pushed it that far.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Hell, I think it's in the first episode(?) where Vic sits down in front of that pedophile suspect and offers to pimp out his daughter, and then glares at the guy all,"What's the matter, my daughter not good enough for ya? :stare:"

Wasn't the girl who played his daughter actually his real life daughter too?

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Tao Jones posted:

The Shield is one of the only shows that's managed to shock me - I'm thinking of the episode where Benito Martinez's character has a very bad day, in particular.

They made you..........................















































suck?

PerilPastry
Oct 10, 2012

Jerusalem posted:

Wasn't the girl who played his daughter actually his real life daughter too?

Yeah, and Vic's wife was played by the wife of show creator Shawn Ryan. Which must must be why they were cast because holy poo poo can they not act!

Bringing the conversation back to the Sopranos, I can't really think of a prominent performance that fell through. On rewatches I'm even warming up to Robert Iler's take on AJ.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
This goes under 'attention to detail'- one thing you notice over time is the amount of direct visual cues to the audience. At the end of Whoever Did This, Tony is wearing a Bada Bing! shirt- but it's wrinkled so we can only make out the word 'Bad'- as in, Tony is the (anti)hero of our story, and we love him not in spite of but because he visits violence on others for us. We need to be reminded that Tony is BAD for killing Ralph.

In Eloise, when AJ asks Tony to move out to the home theatre thing or whatever- the name of that structure escapes me- he's eating Guiltless peanut butter straight from the jar, an indication of Tony's feelings during the whole ordeal. He views the negative situation with Carmella as an inconvenience rather than the consequences of something he should feel guilty over.

These are kind of well-duh things on the surface but they take planning and staging to do correctly without you noticing them initally, the amount of effort that goes into filming everything is sublime.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
The gently caress's that got to do with cold medicine?

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
oh! Wolfgang Fuckface!

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
Tanenbaum. Right. But on your application to Columbia, you didn't check Jewish did you?

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.

Tao Jones posted:

Tanenbaum. Right. But on your application to Columbia, you didn't check Jewish did you?

Jamal Ginsberg, the Hasidic Homeboy.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Hey, Count Chocula, how are ya?

Mr Lance Murdock
Feb 29, 2008

Bones heal. Chicks dig scars. And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-daredevil ratio in the world

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Hey, Count Chocula, how are ya?
Little Lord gently caress-Pants? Whos moniker is that?

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.
Hey Artie, how's your rash?!

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Oooh, nine out of ten dentists surveyed!

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
"He killed 16 czechoslovakians. He was an interior decorator!"

"His house looked like poo poo."

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

SHE WAS ABUSIVE TO DA STAAAAAAAFF

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
You got a fuckin' problem besides those pants?!

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
It's like an ad for a weight loss center. Before...and way before.

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.
"You hear what I said, Ton? They're like an ad for a weight loss center."
"Before and after."

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
In the end, gently caress Santa Claus.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
so I watched University last night and looked up the girl that played Tracee because I don't recall seeing her in anything else. Turns out that was her first gig and now she's a yoga guru.

http://www.arielkileyyoga.com/

Also according to wikipedia, lots of people cancelled HBO because of this episode. To me, the rape in Employee of the Month was more disturbing.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Bonzo posted:

so I watched University last night and looked up the girl that played Tracee because I don't recall seeing her in anything else. Turns out that was her first gig and now she's a yoga guru.

http://www.arielkileyyoga.com/

Also according to wikipedia, lots of people cancelled HBO because of this episode. To me, the rape in Employee of the Month was more disturbing.

Counterpoint - she was a hoo-ah

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Think on this Burger Boy. Anthony is a oval office hair away from owning all of northern Jersey, and I am that oval office hair.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
That writer, with the bullfights? Blew his own fuckin' head off.

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.
That guy in Hollywood too. Don something. Producer of The Simpsons.

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Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?
Yeah well whatever happened there - that was hosed up

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