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Entropic posted:It seems like the NDP just needs to find something real to being angry about. They already have that, it's called throwing out probably their only chance to form government ever to appease loving Vancouver tech startups.
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Oh wait, you mean something to be angry about that isn't the colossal failure they brought upon themselves.
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May 20, 2016 19:55
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i know nothing about canpol but i just saw the video so i'm popping in to die of laughter that this is even a Thing
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May 20, 2016 19:57
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Aliquid posted:i know nothing about canpol but i just saw the video so i'm popping in to die of laughter that this is even a Thing In a way it's kind of comforting that our scandals are this benign.
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May 20, 2016 19:59
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yeah frankly this makes Trudeau even more endearing to my violent american eyes
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May 20, 2016 20:01
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Still a bunch of pages back but I gotta say this is the funniest CanPol has been in awhile.
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May 20, 2016 20:04
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Reminder that we are selling war machines to a kingdom with the same law code and ideology as ISIS. Our scandals are not benign, we are just so proud of our own cultivated sense of national impotence that we pretend the horrible things we do as a country are too small to matter in the grand scheme of things. We're Canada! Don't hold us responsible for anything we do, we are polite and have healthcare. Our government is so benign that the pm bumping someone is the worst scandal possible!
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May 20, 2016 20:05
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Helsing posted:Reminder that we are selling war machines to a kingdom with the same law code and ideology as ISIS. Our scandals are not benign, we are just so proud of our own cultivated sense of national impotence that we pretend the horrible things we do as a country are too small to matter in the grand scheme of things. Besides, we're so insignificant that if we didn't do bad things someone else just would instead. Therefore our scandals aren't really scandals, they're just the way the world works.
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May 20, 2016 20:08
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CLAM DOWN posted:don't you loving even try this, oh my god, how can you sous vide fish with a straight face? no u r
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May 20, 2016 20:12
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there is no ethical canadian under capitalism
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May 20, 2016 20:12
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Saskatchewan Government Dubs Climate Change ‘Misguided Dogma’ in Throne Speech The throne speech, delivered by Lieutenant Governor Vaughn Solomon Schofield, pointed to “oil and gas, coal and uranium, livestock and grains” as allegedly victimized sectors. “They look at those jobs like they are somehow harming the country and the world,” she read. “To those people, my government has a message. You are wrong. You could not be more wrong.”
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THC posted:Saskatchewan Government Dubs Climate Change ‘Misguided Dogma’ in Throne Speech Manitoba's new slogan "Marginally better than Saskatchewan" Also lmao at the dude in the comments "As a scientist, I deny these claims that climate change is cause by humans" what kind of self respecting scientist hangs out and loving comments on desmog.ca posts Helsing posted:Reminder that we are selling war machines to a kingdom with the same law code and ideology as ISIS. Our scandals are not benign, we are just so proud of our own cultivated sense of national impotence that we pretend the horrible things we do as a country are too small to matter in the grand scheme of things. It speaks volumes when more people in the nation know more about an accidental elbow bump and a bearded mans grandstanding than the sale of Canadian products for use in torturing people. Also when the US implments single-payer healthcare in 8 years it's going to put our lovely bloated system to shame. DariusLikewise fucked around with this message at 20:46 on May 20, 2016 |
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THC posted:Saskatchewan Government Dubs Climate Change ‘Misguided Dogma’ in Throne Speech Henceforth only to be referred to as Sasketucky.
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Aliquid posted:there is no ethical canadian under capitalism This whole discussion reminds me of Canada's recent history with the domestic asbestos industry. In defiance of science and common sense Canada never banned asbestos domestically or to export, all to protect a paltry number of jobs at an unprofitable mine that went out of business in 2012 only because the government finally stopped bailing it out. There's no lower limit on the amount of money or jobs for which Canadian governments will ethically compromise to protect. This Saudi arms deal where there's potentially hundreds of jobs on the line must be such a no-brainer for Dion and everyone else involved, like of course they'll approve it. edit: The same principle is why it's so clear that Canadians will only ever pay lip-service to doing something about climate change until the rest of the world forces us to do something. Canadians will pay actual money to support actual asbestos mines, there's no way even marginally profitable oilsands production will ever stop. Nocturtle fucked around with this message at 20:48 on May 20, 2016 |
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May 20, 2016 20:41
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THC posted:Saskatchewan Government Dubs Climate Change ‘Misguided Dogma’ in Throne Speech I loving hate my province.
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May 20, 2016 20:47
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Monaghan posted:I loving hate my province. Instead of burning oil, we should burn saskatchewan
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May 20, 2016 20:48
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ZShakespeare posted:Instead of burning oil, we should burn saskatchewan Good idea. It's for the greater good.
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ZShakespeare posted:Instead of burning oil, we should burn saskatchewan Given the state of the Canadian boreal forest, just wait a few years.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:Henceforth only to be referred to as Sasketucky. Seconded.
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CanPol Megathread: I loving hate my province.
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CanPol Megathread: You are wrong. You could not be more wrong.
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ZShakespeare posted:Instead of burning oil, we should burn saskatchewan We're working on that
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Just want to get back to something Helsing was going on earlier in the thread about the whole trans-rights-as-wedge-distraction thing. This article articulates pretty well how I feel about the current state of social justice as it pertains to the left, the country and the future (albeit the article comes from an American perspective). A few sections I've posted below:quote:The future that I envision amounts, depending on your perspective, to either a betrayal of the liberal dream or its completion. In this future, the traditional foundations of liberalism in economic justice and redistribution are amputated from the push for diversity in terms of race, gender, sexual identity, and related issues. Our elite institutions such as exclusive universities, large corporations, and political bodies come to recognize that the dearth of diversity within their halls makes the lie of meritocracy too obvious. It’s not difficult, after all, to look at the Fortune 500 companies and note the great paucity of women and people of color in the executive ranks. This lack of diversity is clear on its face. This is an embarrassment to these institutions, and helps to demonstrate that the great American story of equal opportunity and the self-made man is a myth. This obvious injustice prompts scrutiny, criticism, complaint, even while these institutions have demonstrated their ability to resist reform. sitchensis fucked around with this message at 21:15 on May 20, 2016 |
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Heavy neutrino posted:I'm really late on this, but as I've written a couple times -- and Helsing might agree with this -- there's certainly cause to be dismayed that today's left is in a position where the only tolerable move is to accept a bundle of social justice and economic injustice, or risk being fraudulently accused of, as you wrote, being in "opposition to progress for marginalized groups" or acting as a sort of spoiler. I read Helsing as an identical but inverted version of your own argument: while you accuse him of being in opposition (or, more generously, insensitive) to marginalized social groups, he accuses you of being insensitive to marginalized economic groups. I say you're both falling for the obvious wedge that capital is trying to drive between the two of you -- inviting the half of leftism that is no threat to business while browbeating the rest as racist, misogynistic, homophobic or simply insensitive to the problems of those identitarian groups. Given that Pinterest Mom tends to talk about "the left" like it's an alien species or foreign country, and given that when he does opine on economics he tends to have thoroughly centrist and establishment opinions on fiscal and monetary policy, Keynesianisn, and economic ideology in general, I think we're just operating in different mental universes. In particular, his whole attitude of "get with the program or be left in the dust bin of history" is so far removed from my perception of things it makes me think there's not much common ground to be found. I see the end of the culture wars over sexuality and personal freedom as more of a demographic and pop cultural phenomenon rather than some great triumph the left or liberalism. It seems as though the trade off for people not caring about who you marry is that they also don't care if you starve in the gutter. That to me isn't real progress, especially because I have a strong suspicion that the moment our status as a middle income country is threatened the vast majority of these cultural gains will evaporate and we'll have demagogues appealing to our fear of the other in order to gain power. It would be comforting to think that deep down we actually agree but dastardly capital has driven this cultural wedge between us but I'm not really sure that's the case any longer. What we're seeing right now is the very rapid ascendancy of sexually progressive politics and yet it's coinciding with the re-emerge of something approximating fascism. Liberals (and I count Pinterest Mom here as an ideological liberal, even though in the Canadian context he doesn't support the Liberal party) are celebrating "peace in our times" at the very moment that it seems like their entire house of cards is trembling on the edge of collapse. A somewhat younger and more naive version of myself long held to the faith that other people involved with the NDP shared a burning sense of anger at the raw economic injustice of our times. I now recognize this as a form of stupidity that I cultivated because it gave me more hope for the immediate future. Increasingly I'm feeling forced to conclude that there are no short term prospects for the revival of the left, not least of all because even self stated progressives, whatever else they might claim, view poverty as an essentially man made phenomenon and not a political choice that our society makes.
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sitchensis posted:Just want to get back to something Helsing was going on earlier in the thread about the whole trans-rights-as-wedge-distraction thing. This article articulates pretty well how I feel about the current state of social justice as it pertains to the left, the country and the future (albeit the article comes from an American perspective). A few sections I've posted below: That's a good read. I'd add to the last part you bolded that elites agitate against and fight economic equality not just regardless of their pop-culture associations, but also regardless of the color of their skin, what's between their legs and who they like to gently caress. If anything the early 21st century might teach the left two back-to-back lessons: that black men as well as women are perfectly inclined to govern exactly the same way as do old white men, and that we shouldn't put much stock into trickle-down theories of identitarian equality, where by some fantastical workings, all women, LGBT and PoC will derive some sort of benefit when rich, powerful and influential members of their group emerge and reach parity with their white male cohorts. Heavy neutrino fucked around with this message at 21:56 on May 20, 2016 |
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I actually think there is some value in having leaders who are more representative of the population, at least up to a point. People ought to feel that their government represents them and have leaders who share the demographic profile of the population is one way to do that. To me the real take away is that in the absence of leftist institutions or organizations any cultural gains are shallow and easily lost. People are anxious about the future but Canada is still basically a prosperous and functional country so it's easy for our society to be outwardly tolerant. But that tolerance is largely skin deep and driven by herd behaviour at the moment. People have become progressive because culturally influential people and institutions have signalled that a right thinking 21st century person should be socially progressive. If economic conditions persistently worsen we'll see demagogues appearing who will identify out groups, and quite likely many of those outgroups will be traditionally subaltern groups including people with alternative sexual lifestyles. Without any institutional basis the left won't be able to resist this and as a result many people who currently espouse socially progressive ideas will simply switch back to social conservatism. The idea you can sustain a meaningfully tolerant and pluralist culture during times of economic upheaval and in the midst of the oligarchic take over of society is foolish. We can afford to be tolerant right now but once the economic system looks shaky our society's real leaders, the wealthy, will do whatever they must to deflect blame and anger. We're already seeing hints of this with the Bloc, but if you want to really know how it's going to get just look at the US or Europe where pseudo-fascist groups are already on the rise.
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See, Alberta does good things for Confederation! You're welcome.
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Cultural Imperial posted:basically nikki ashton phd is loving retarded She's 33 and still finishing her Ph.D. I guess being a MP is better than being an adjunct though.
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blah_blah posted:She's 33 and still finishing her Ph.D. Jesus Christ, what on earth is her field of study? Being a whiny idiot? I don't give a poo poo about your gender, if you're so much of a babby that the idea of having someone brush past you rudely is worthy of a statement to the press in your mind, you need mental help, or to toughen the gently caress up.
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When I think of CI I kinda just think of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db4VGbK3vws PT6A posted:Jesus Christ, what on earth is her field of study? Being a whiny idiot? Yeah brah, definitely need to toughen the gently caress up broseph. BTW PT6A, just curious, what's your max bench/squat/deads if you're such a tough guy yourself?
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There's mountain man tough and there's being able to take an incidental nudge without exclaiming "oweee" and having to dash off to the panic room to compose yourself.
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I find this discussion of Ashton's trauma extremely traumatising.
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P-Value Hack posted:Yeah brah, definitely need to toughen the gently caress up broseph... Ashton needs to be scoped through a gendered lens and shot with some thirty ought six. Then Mulcair, then Fatty McNepotism... all the way down the line. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It's been entertaining (if depressing) seeing poor and massively debt-laden women viciously arguing for pay equality for female CEOs and movie stars.Helsing posted:I see the end of the culture wars over sexuality and personal freedom as more of a demographic and pop cultural phenomenon rather than some great triumph the left or liberalism. It seems as though the trade off for people not caring about who you marry is that they also don't care if you starve in the gutter. That to me isn't real progress, especially because I have a strong suspicion that the moment our status as a middle income country is threatened the vast majority of these cultural gains will evaporate and we'll have demagogues appealing to our fear of the other in order to gain power. North America is rather diverse, I don't think it's a grand surprise that come the age of ubiquitous Internet that groups are consolidating better and having their voices become better heard. It took exceptional people and grand social movements to pull this off in the past, but the sheer ease of finding and contacting others like you today has changed the game. I'd also point to countries like Afghanistan and Iran as examples to illustrate how suddenly a seemingly socially equal and modern society can transform. What is really striking to me is how many people are able to recite various "progressive" ideas and slogans without exhibiting any real underlying critical thought. It's a façade. The message has been packaged so effectively and successfully that it's able to be disseminated and employed whenever heuristically appropriate, no matter how actually appropriate it is. We saw a very clear example of that a couple days ago with Ashton's criticism of Trudeau. You have a man, and a woman. The man drives his elbow against the chest of a woman. Therefore, man is assaulting woman. Therefore, misogyny, and a threat to women's safety in Parliament.
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The prime minister assaulted the opposition whip which, in and of itself, could make a lot of people (esp. women) uncomfortable.
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THC posted:Trudeau assaulted the opposition whip, an act which would make a lot of people especially women feel uncomfortable in and of itself. says the canpol jenny kwan defender
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Maybe I just need to nut up and accept the fact that physically larger people deserve to get their way, even in a setting like Parliament. Right lads?
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Or just stop being disingenuous  These decisions are so hard to make when u r a retard
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Maybe you should learn how the criminal code works and what's missing from your supposition?
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Won't anyone think about our parliament?!?
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