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Hello thread. Long time white-noise shitposter, first time  er.
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May 21, 2016 03:46
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going all in for hillary
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May 21, 2016 04:55
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zen death robot posted:Homework Explainer can't keep loving this up drat Don't hurt him.
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May 21, 2016 10:38
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The bitch and her clique don't deserve it and will undoubtedly usher in a level of disillusionment with our political system that makes what we see now look like mild displeasure. I won't be voting for her, but there is no set of circumstances in which I see her not taking the presidency (barring some black swan event), though the race is entirely hers to lose. for Hillary Clinton. May the universe have mercy on us. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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May 21, 2016 15:01
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Cugel the Clever posted:The bitch and her clique don't deserve it and will undoubtedly usher in a level of disillusionment with our political system that makes what we see now look like mild displeasure. I won't be voting for her, but there is no set of circumstances in which I see her not taking the presidency (barring some black swan event), though the race is entirely hers to lose. Ooooooppppoo you varmint! (Throws hat on the ground and stomps on it)
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May 21, 2016 15:10
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Cugel the Clever posted:The bitch and her clique don't deserve it and will undoubtedly usher in a level of disillusionment with our political system that makes what we see now look like mild displeasure. I won't be voting for her, but there is no set of circumstances in which I see her not taking the presidency (barring some black swan event), though the race is entirely hers to lose.  . Wahhhhh wahhhhh
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May 21, 2016 15:12
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Cugel the Clever posted:The bitch and her clique don't deserve it and will undoubtedly usher in a level of disillusionment with our political system that makes what we see now look like mild displeasure. I won't be voting for her, but there is no set of circumstances in which I see her not taking the presidency (barring some black swan event), though the race is entirely hers to lose. It's cute that you think that right now is the height of political disillusionment.
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May 21, 2016 15:32
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Gyges posted:It's cute that you think that right now is the height of political disillusionment. "The" height? Where'd I say that?
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May 21, 2016 15:37
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Cugel the Clever posted:"The" height? Where'd I say that? jfc dude e: 
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May 21, 2016 16:42
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Cugel the Clever posted:"The" height? Where'd I say that? Have you tried self medicating with alcohol?
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May 21, 2016 16:47
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Cugel the Clever posted:"The" height? Where'd I say that? The way you phrased the horrors of Hillary's regime increasing disillusionment from where it is now implied that you thought it was currently at a high water mark.
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May 21, 2016 18:11
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Gyges posted:The way you phrased the horrors of Hillary's regime increasing disillusionment from where it is now implied that you thought it was currently at a high water mark. If we're looking at the entirety of American history, then you are certainly right. That doesn't mean that the current levels aren't dangerous for our democracy—you need look no further than Drumpf for that to be made all too abundantly clear. A Clinton presidency will keep the status quo bumbling slowly onward, while anger and frustration (both left- and right-wing) grow further inflamed. Gonna be a fun ride, I'll admit.
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May 21, 2016 18:30
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This is what is going to happen. Hillary is going to win, and she's going to probably be a little above average as a president. She will however give us a liberal leaning Supreme Court for at least a generation. While that is happening the GOP will once again do a post election autopsy, the results of which will indicate that maybe they could be less racist and bring in some minority and younger voters. The establishment will champion this cause. Meanwhile, the base will be apoplectic and double down on their old white rear end in a top hat ideology. Trump will have lost not because he's a clown, running in a miasma of hate that they have inculcated. It'll be because he was betrayed by the RINO establishment. They will be emboldened when in 2018 they take back the Senate and the media pretends that the country is clearly rejecting Clinton policies. It's not that Democrats are physically incapable of turning out in off year elections. In 2020 the Republicans will nominate some jagoff like Tom Cotton as their standard bearer. He will likely be destroyed in the general election. While the Republican party is getting more and more conservative, repelling any real attempts to expand the party, the Democrats will be getting more liberal. This will continue until another party realignment happens because the dessicated corpse of the modern GOP can no longer sustain itself. Once the parties begin realigning, the the Republicans will have another shot at the Presidency. Or, if Hillary is caught with an intern in 2019, that might make a difference.
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May 21, 2016 18:58
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oddly enough it's lewinsky again
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May 21, 2016 19:05
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Gyges posted:This is what is going to happen. My thoughts exactly. I think we're looking at a very real possibility of the GOP being a permanent minority party until the southern strategy finally shrivels up and dies which could take a decade or more.
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May 21, 2016 19:31
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The party that currently controls Congress and the majority of State Houses is not in any danger. Sure the presidency isn't in the cards for the foreseeable future, but the GOPs prospects are looking mighty bright on the downticket.
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May 21, 2016 19:42
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I'm imagining a future in which the Democratic party becomes the rightmost party, and a Socialist/Social Democratic party emerges as the left.
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May 21, 2016 19:42
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neonnoodle posted:I'm imagining a future in which the Democratic party becomes the rightmost party, and a Socialist/Social Democratic party emerges as the left. Doesn't history dictate that a new party wear the discarded vestige of a former time? The Whigs called back to the founders, and the Republicans revived the pre-Jacksonian Republican part of the Democratic-Republican part. The Know Nothings are ripe for reviving I guess.
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May 21, 2016 19:52
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neonnoodle posted:I'm imagining a future in which the Democratic party becomes the rightmost party, and a Socialist/White Nationalist party emerges as the left.
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May 21, 2016 20:06
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Necc0 posted:My thoughts exactly. I think we're looking at a very real possibility of the GOP being a permanent minority party until the southern strategy finally shrivels up and dies which could take a decade or more. Pretty much every election people say this and the GOP has continued to pick up more and more seats over time.
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May 21, 2016 20:38
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Vox Nihili posted:Pretty much every election people say this and the GOP has continued to pick up more and more seats over time. The Republican Party is structured in such a way that they are pervasive throughout many states, especially in the South, but have an increasingly hard time with the Electoral College. This is double edged as it keeps them in power legislatively, but that continued success means that they are unable to fix their national level problems. If they continue to fail to course correct, they will eventually run into a wall on the legislative side, but that's not in the immediate future. With a two party system there's always a possibility for the Republicans to take back the White House at some point. However their insistence on doubling down is making it a slimmer and slimmer chance. So they will continue on, with the question being whether a realignment happens before or after their inability to recruit new blood drives them the way of the Federalists and Whigs before them.
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May 21, 2016 20:47
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Vox Nihili posted:Pretty much every election people say this and the GOP has continued to pick up more and more seats over time. Many states have recently passed anti-gerrymandering laws. We will see what kind of effect this has on future house and senatorial elections. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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May 21, 2016 21:18
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Gyges posted:
That would be the post-1970 Republicans.
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May 21, 2016 21:19
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Gyges posted:The Republican Party is structured in such a way that they are pervasive throughout many states, especially in the South, but have an increasingly hard time with the Electoral College. This is double edged as it keeps them in power legislatively, but that continued success means that they are unable to fix their national level problems. If they continue to fail to course correct, they will eventually run into a wall on the legislative side, but that's not in the immediate future. The real problem is their dominance at the state level. It isn't just in the south, it's like 2/3 of the drat country, and it's somehow been getting more common even as their policies get more extreme.
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May 21, 2016 21:24
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Vox Nihili posted:The real problem is their dominance at the state level. It isn't just in the south, it's like 2/3 of the drat country, and it's somehow been getting more common even as their policies get more extreme. Here are the states by who controls their legislature (purple = split, Nebraska is officially nonpartisan)  Now here is the 2012 Presidential results:  If you notice, the maps actually line up fairly well. The only areas that don't have at least *some* Democratic control is Florida, Virginia and some of the Great Lakes region. The issue then is not so much that the Republicans have domination at the state levels, but that there are a bunch of states that just don't vote Democratic at all.
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May 21, 2016 21:58
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Gyges posted:This is what is going to happen. This, with some minor tweaks. I think the GOP will try to pivot towards a socially moderate (at least domestically), pseudo-nationalist policy platform for 2020. Basically try to do a non-protectionist Trump-lite thing, probably by running an Independent turned Republican as an insurgent standard bearer. It'll still fail since, like, 30% of Trump's appeal is the combination of protectionism and anti-Latin American sentiment. 2024 will be the major realignment, with a young Technocratic Nationalist outsider winning the nomination with support from the Koch brothers. Probably a Venture Capitalist Silicon Valley type who can draw the youth into a New Republican Coalition of Libertarians, Nationalists, Blue Collar Workers and Technocrats with tacit support from the Social Conservatives because they'll probably drone on about States Rights a bunch. Edit: they could even put an atheist in on the ticket, especially if they're a psuedo-Christopher Hitchens type that hammers exclusively on Muslims. Fox Ironic has issued a correction as of 22:18 on May 21, 2016 |
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May 21, 2016 22:16
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The thing is that a lot of the Republican dominance is sustained through gerrymandering. Democrats actually got more votes but ended up being allotted less seats. If that drat breaks, through a wave election or deliberate redistricting, you'll see things flip very quickly.
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May 22, 2016 01:53
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computer parts posted:If you notice, the maps actually line up fairly well. The only areas that don't have at least *some* Democratic control is Florida, Virginia and some of the Great Lakes region. The issue then is not so much that the Republicans have domination at the state levels, but that there are a bunch of states that just don't vote Democratic at all. Also, used car salesman Terry McAuliffe is the reasonably popular Democratic Governor of Virginia. This actually makes your point stronger, since it removes one of the states that doesn't line up.
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May 22, 2016 02:48
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sure, why not. one more for  
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May 22, 2016 03:07
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Baby's first toxx Also a lot of Republicans dominance is there are a lot of fly over states and being a state with one person in it makes you often equal to California.
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May 22, 2016 03:39
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Vox Nihili posted:Pretty much every election people say this and the GOP has continued to pick up more and more seats over time. yeah I meant at the national level and their demographics are looking bad. the source of their growth hasn't been from actual growth rather than district magicking and consolidating the fox news crowd. it's absolutely unsustainable and like someone above said when that dam breaks it's gonna break hard there's been talks given by gop power players who understand this and are trying to get the warning out but no one's listening to them. we're looking at them possibly losing georgia or even texas within the next decade. but yeah in terms of local politics they'll retain an iron grip on their domain for the foreseeable future.
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May 22, 2016 03:49
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Gonna toxx for the Hilz! Why not?  (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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May 22, 2016 03:52
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Besides if she loses I don't expect good WiFi in the Trump mines
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May 22, 2016 04:00
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Despera posted:Besides if she loses I don't expect good WiFi in the Trump mines Only if you buy the gaudiest smartphone available. Which is presumably some sort of rose gold, diamond-encrusted monstrosity.
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May 22, 2016 04:17
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Plexiwatt posted:sure, why not. one more for Necc0 posted:yeah I meant at the national level and their demographics are looking bad. the source of their growth hasn't been from actual growth rather than district magicking and consolidating the fox news crowd. it's absolutely unsustainable and like someone above said when that dam breaks it's gonna break hard
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May 22, 2016 12:31
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May 22, 2016 17:37
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computer parts posted:Here are the states by who controls their legislature (purple = split, Nebraska is officially nonpartisan) Dude, those maps don't line up AT ALL. In fact it demonstrates exactly what I'm saying. Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire--all blue or swing states completely controlled by the GOP at the state level. Then there are dark blue states like Maine, Washington, NEW YORK, and Minnesota that are only split. The only "good" news here is split control of Iowa and Kentucky--but no outright Democratic control of a single reddish or even swing state! Republicans have an enormously outsized amount of power at the state level. Looking at this map juxtaposed with posts about the GOP "failing" makes my head spin. If anything the Democrats are failing. I am really unhappy with how the party has performed. Vox Nihili has issued a correction as of 20:03 on May 22, 2016 |
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May 22, 2016 19:59
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All hail god Empress Hillary.
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May 22, 2016 20:03
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You also have to remember that the state franchises of the Republican party are going to diverge somewhat from the national party. In Pennsylvania this takes the form of 'Pennsyltucky' Republicans being pretty right-wing and religious (You may remember Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District) while suburb and industrial town Republicans being still pretty hardline pro-business while more... "accepting" of homosexuality. You even had this playing out to an extreme extent in Indiana with Pence and the rest of the party. The lines are blurrier and less polarized the lower down you go. edit: my point being you can still have a strong Republican party in Florida, while Florida being a blue state in the Presidential election. Florida might only vote for Florida Republicans.
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May 22, 2016 20:53
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Jonked posted:You also have to remember that the state franchises of the Republican party are going to diverge somewhat from the national party. In Pennsylvania this takes the form of 'Pennsyltucky' Republicans being pretty right-wing and religious (You may remember Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District) while suburb and industrial town Republicans being still pretty hardline pro-business while more... "accepting" of homosexuality. You even had this playing out to an extreme extent in Indiana with Pence and the rest of the party. The lines are blurrier and less polarized the lower down you go. The same is true with state-level Democrats. To compete in the South they frequently run anti-abortion blue dogs, etc.
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May 22, 2016 23:23
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