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The American Dream posted:So it's well established Thunder was garbage and the main event would be Bryan Adams vs Rick Steiner in a pivotal match for the control of WCW. But were there any great matches that happened on it? After mid 98 there were very few. Thunder was where you'd see the baffling stuff like Disciple singles matches. You'd get some good Jericho promos but the main star they'd stick on Thunder was Bret Hart and Bret's matches weren't very good in WCW. His promos were great, but you can only do so much in the ring with that kind of a groin injury. Thunder had a lot of good stuff in early 2001 though. They stuck the cruiserweights on there so you'd see a lot of new talent in fresh match ups.
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Was it on a Thunder that had the Jericho vs Wrath match where Jericho locked himself out of the arena? (And where someone opened a door that was supposed to be locked, and both Jericho and Wrath ran past the camera stopped and laughed. All broadcast nationally)
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MassRafTer posted:After mid 98 there were very few. Thunder was where you'd see the baffling stuff like Disciple singles matches. You'd get some good Jericho promos but the main star they'd stick on Thunder was Bret Hart and Bret's matches weren't very good in WCW. His promos were great, but you can only do so much in the ring with that kind of a groin injury. Bret Hart was bewildering in WCW because in the WWF his promos were almost never very good but his WCW promos were great - sometimes funny even (I never doubted El Dandy again).
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Bret gets a bad rap for his promos in WWF. Like theres no denying originally he was terrible and it took forever to find his rhythm, but in 97 everything just clicked for him and he became legitimately a great promo.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Bret gets a bad rap for his promos in WWF. Like theres no denying originally he was terrible and it took forever to find his rhythm, but in 97 everything just clicked for him and he became legitimately a great promo. My vague memory is that he was... OK... as a smug  heel, but was completely 1 dimensional and super dull as a face, but I could be imagining it.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Bret gets a bad rap for his promos in WWF. Like theres no denying originally he was terrible and it took forever to find his rhythm, but in 97 everything just clicked for him and he became legitimately a great promo. Oh yeah, everything he did with Steve Austin was amazing, agreed. That Hart Foundation heel run was stellar.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Bret gets a bad rap for his promos in WWF. Like theres no denying originally he was terrible and it took forever to find his rhythm, but in 97 everything just clicked for him and he became legitimately a great promo. I still wouldn't say he was great. He had great promos with others, but he always sounded awkward to some degree on his own.
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I think part of the issue is that in Stamepede, pretty much all he had to say was "Karachi Vice, we're gonna beat you down on Saturday in Lethbridge" and that was generally good enough, because he was a Hart, and he backed it up in the ring. Then when WWE started using him, they probably realized that, so he was put with Jimmy Hart for a long while which, in fairness, was a good, solid move, because Niedhart wasn't any good as a talker either (although he did have a cool maniacal laugh). I think those 2 things kinda stunted his development as a talker for a while, although you'd have thought he'd have learned a thing or two by being around so many good talkers. I guess Bret just didn't see it as overly important, and with what he managed to accomplish, gently caress it, maybe he was sorta right.
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It's funny, but if Bret had been good with promos to begin with he never would've ended up with one of the most iconic parts of his character - they only put shades on him because he looked absolutely terrified when they filmed pretapes.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Was it on a Thunder that had the Jericho vs Wrath match where Jericho locked himself out of the arena? (And where someone opened a door that was supposed to be locked, and both Jericho and Wrath ran past the camera stopped and laughed. All broadcast nationally) I remember Jericho doing a Spinal Tap bit which had him wandering around looking for the ring.
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Say Nothing posted:I remember Jericho doing a Spinal Tap bit which had him wandering around looking for the ring. He did. Although that was intentional, the chase shaking out the way it did was not. Or so Chris says, who knows, it was WCW.
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Say Nothing posted:I remember Jericho doing a Spinal Tap bit which had him wandering around looking for the ring. it wasn't quite a Spinal Tap bit. He was spoofing Goldberg's entrance and couldn't find the ring. Then he got locked outside.
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jericho wandering around lost backstage saying "hello cleveland" was a spinal tap bit
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BrigadierSensible posted:Was it on a Thunder that had the Jericho vs Wrath match where Jericho locked himself out of the arena? (And where someone opened a door that was supposed to be locked, and both Jericho and Wrath ran past the camera stopped and laughed. All broadcast nationally) ayn rand hand job posted:it wasn't quite a Spinal Tap bit. oatgan posted:jericho wandering around lost backstage saying "hello cleveland" was a spinal tap bit WCW was the best and I wish it were still running to this day 
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It was in fact on Thunder though. RZApublican posted:WCW was the best and I wish it were still running to this day It is.
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MassRafTer posted:
[Brooklyn, Africa] doesn't count!
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Who was in charge of talent acquisitions in wcw?
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Terry boella, brother
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It's weird that Ed Leslie never adopted "Bollea" as the name of a gimmick. 
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Given the history of this thread I should state tonight's Tuesday Nitro features the debut of the birdshit logo set. Join us: http://www.psp-tv.com/r/badmoviesworsewrestling
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We missed out on a Marvel crossover   Sting/Spider-man  The Hulks  Bret/Captain America
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Corek posted:It's weird that Ed Leslie never adopted "Bollea" as the name of a gimmick. Not for lack of wanting to ride Hogan's coattails mind you. He adopted both the 'Boulder' and 'Hogan' monikers early in his career.
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ChrisBTY posted:Not for lack of wanting to ride Hogan's coattails mind you. Eh, at that when they both started, they were actually a tag team and advertised as brothers. It was at the very start of Hogan's career, before it really took off.
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Baron Beefcake Big Brother Booty The Booty Man Brother Bruti Brute Force Brutus Beefcake The Butcher The Clipmaster The Disciple Dizzy Hogan Ed Boulder Eddie Hogan The Mariner The Man With No Name The Zodiac The Zodiac Man
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Say Nothing posted:Baron Beefcake The Man With No Face
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Pope Corky the IX posted:The Man With No Face I believe you mean "fur face".
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Both, actually
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Furface was so random. He got to beat the crap out of Earthquake, which never happened (dude was protected well enough that even Hogan never really dominated him). Then he was gone.
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Say Nothing posted:Baron Beefcake When and where was he called The Mariner?
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It was a gimmick he was supposed to do right after he came back from his injury, when he showed up in a mask and do run-ins. I'm not sure they ever actually called him "The Mariner" on air, though, because they decided to drop the idea. He wasn't fully healed and was at risk of re-injuring himself.
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Halloween Jack posted:It was a gimmick he was supposed to do right after he came back from his injury, when he showed up in a mask and do run-ins. I'm not sure they ever actually called him "The Mariner" on air, though, because they decided to drop the idea. He wasn't fully healed and was at risk of re-injuring himself. Wasn't his injury the result of a jet ski accident? I really hope The Mariner would have been a jet ski-related gimmick.
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http://kayfabecommentaries.com/DVD_TW_1997.html oh hell yes, Kevin Nash on these is always mega-entertaining
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RZApublican posted:Wasn't his injury the result of a jet ski accident? I really hope The Mariner would have been a jet ski-related gimmick. Parasailing. He was rigging a friend up for it, someone raised an arm, the driver of the boat thought that was the "GO" signal, and it ended up with his friend's feet stomping into his face and fracturing it horribly.
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Sixteen ring names. Has anyone had more?
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Technically Plowboy Frazier has been billed under more names, but several of them were slight variations.
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In the course of ten years or so, Leslie had two names in WWF: Eddie Boulder and Brutus Beefcake. In five years of WCW service, he wrestled as The Butcher, The Man With No Name, Zodiac, Booty Man, and the Disciple. Similarly, Ray Traylor managed to burn through The Boss, The Guardian Angel, Big Bubba (Rogers), and Ray Traylor in the course of about four years. The key to having a lot of name/gimmick changes on TV was to be an ex-WWF guy who lost his gimmick when he came over with Hulk Hogan.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there are some lucha guys who have wrestled under more masks than The Beefer had names.
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Halloween Jack posted:Technically Plowboy Frazier has been billed under more names, but several of them were slight variations. Geez, 22 ring names! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Elmer
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I was gonna say, while most of them didn't have as many names as the Booty Man, a lot of territory guys wrestled under 5-10 names. You can find lots of guys with slight variations on the same name depending on what would play in the territory they were in (maybe to be more or less "ethnic" sounding), a couple names that were totally different, and then maybe they were a masked jobber in two separate places.
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Someone wrote a lot of words about Brother Bruti https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/09/the-bizarre-convoluted-career-of-ed-leslie-wrestli.html It's actually a pretty fun read
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