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WarLocke posted:It worked surprisingly well for Limitless. Show literally got cancelled. I mean ep 9-forward owned but no viewer saw that apparently. 
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Xoidanor posted:Show literally got cancelled. I said it was a good show, not that the network didn't take it out back and put a bullet in its head. 
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May 21, 2016 22:22
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Xelkelvos posted:Easiest way they bring Snart back is they say that the explosion blasted him through time and space and he didn't die because [Doctor Who-esque explanation] The Impossible Snart. Scattered all over the crew's timeline, helping them be less awful.
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May 21, 2016 22:41
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The Duke posted:I really don't get why Rip was all "There's nothing we can do" when they could just go back to that Russian nuke auction and take him out there. Laurel wouldn't even be born yet (?), seems pretty fool proof to me. Rip Hunter is the least competent time traveller ever.
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May 21, 2016 22:58
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I assume Snart will be back in the CW-verse sooner or later. Because its a comic book and they always come back. If its not some time travel mumbo jumbo on Legends there will be an alternate earth version on Flash or Supergirl or something. As soon as he died I was certain we'd see him again. That was a great ending to a pretty mediocre season. Cutting the Hawks is a great choice. I was kind of hoping Firestorm would gently caress off too (and it would have made sense since Stein and Jax have family they could have stayed behind for) but its ok. And oh yeah... MOTHERFUCKING JSA!?!?! So yeah. I saw Hourman and he said "Justice Society" so I'm now in and wondering when we find out Jesse Quick is jumping over or there's an alternate/real Jay Garrick or whatever else because drat, I'm hooked. So am I right in assuming that Time Travel Vandal Savage is still out there on his spaceship? I was surprised they didn't show it to us which is why I'm doubt it but the three Savages they killed were just the guys' in Savage's timeline, right? So the fourth Savage who set the whole plan into motion is still out there? Or was the Savage the Hawks/Rip killed Time Travel Vandal? In which case is there still a living Savage in his timeline until he gets kidnapped in Rip's time or did killing Savage in 75 or 55 kill him or why could they kill Savage in 77 if they killed him in 55? gently caress... loving time travel.
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All these questions are resolved with two simple answers. Vandal Savage is immortal, so they killed past versions of him in 58 and 75 and this didn't disrupt the timestream since he recovered some time later. When they killed the future one it was the time travelling Savage from 2166, and he really died. So they didn't change history, except for 2166 onward.
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May 22, 2016 03:04
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STAC Goat posted:So am I right in assuming that Time Travel Vandal Savage is still out there on his spaceship? I was surprised they didn't show it to us which is why I'm doubt it but the three Savages they killed were just the guys' in Savage's timeline, right? So the fourth Savage who set the whole plan into motion is still out there? Or was the Savage the Hawks/Rip killed Time Travel Vandal? In which case is there still a living Savage in his timeline until he gets kidnapped in Rip's time or did killing Savage in 75 or 55 kill him or why could they kill Savage in 77 if they killed him in 55? gently caress... The Savage in 21-whatever was the Time Traveling Savage
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May 22, 2016 03:08
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I was honestly cheering for Savage to shank Hawkman for a third time before ultimately biting it in the final episode. Despite not getting my wish, I still thought that was a shockingly good finale. Rip Hunter still loving sucks.
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May 22, 2016 04:30
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Hermetic posted:The Impossible Snart. Scattered all over the crew's timeline, helping them be less awful. s2Spoilersz The Oculus was made out of Thanagrokk
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May 22, 2016 06:25
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Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't think the Hawkpeople won't come back if Thanagar is the big threat for next season. On the plus side, entire episodes will be devoted to beating the poo poo out of Hawkpeople.
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May 22, 2016 06:33
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STAC Goat posted:I was kind of hoping Firestorm would gently caress off too (and it would have made sense since Stein and Jax have family they could have stayed behind for) but its ok. STAC Goat posted:So am I right in assuming that Time Travel Vandal Savage is still out there on his spaceship? I was surprised they didn't show it to us which is why I'm doubt it but the three Savages they killed were just the guys' in Savage's timeline, right? So the fourth Savage who set the whole plan into motion is still out there? Or was the Savage the Hawks/Rip killed Time Travel Vandal? In which case is there still a living Savage in his timeline until he gets kidnapped in Rip's time or did killing Savage in 75 or 55 kill him or why could they kill Savage in 77 if they killed him in 55? gently caress...
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May 22, 2016 07:09
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Tiggum posted:I was wondering why no one suggested Stein bring his wife along. It's not like she'd be in any more danger than staying in Central City. She'll be fine in Central City. I mean, yes, there's a speedster running around slaughtering people... ...But she's not a metahuman, so I think she's safe from Barry. 
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May 22, 2016 11:36
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So what did they actually accomplish?
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May 22, 2016 16:00
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Hermetic posted:She'll be fine in Central City. I mean, yes, there's a speedster running around slaughtering people... 
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May 22, 2016 16:03
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nooneofconsequence posted:So what did they actually accomplish? It took them several months (or years depending on the character) to figure out that if they dogpile one guy someone can stab him. In the end instead something something radiation and we got to see Mick use the flamethrower the way it was meant to be used.
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May 22, 2016 19:01
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I love Ray watching Mick stone cold murder a dude without comment and being all "hey buddy let me help you escape the police real quick!"
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May 22, 2016 19:13
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greatn posted:I love Ray watching Mick stone cold murder a dude without comment and being all "hey buddy let me help you escape the police real quick!" Because Mick Rory is the best character on the show. You'd help him get away with murder too.
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May 22, 2016 19:24
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nooneofconsequence posted:So what did they actually accomplish? So, in theory, even in victory over Savage, Rip still made things much worse for the entire human race, while also not accomplishing his actual goal. Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 20:37 on May 22, 2016 |
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May 22, 2016 20:17
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Robot Hobo posted:Unless I misunderstand, what they accomplished is killing Savage just after he had conquered the world and done all of the things Rip hated him for, but just before the part where Savage saves the Earth from aliens. Well logically they killed past Savage so all the Savage's should have disappeared according what previous episodes established, but then they still had to kill them all and-  Because seriously, no matter how much you think about it, it will never make any sense.
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May 22, 2016 20:29
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Savage being triple-dead is good enough for me. Time travel as a main plot point will never make logical sense. (is there a show where time travel actually makes sense?)
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May 22, 2016 20:37
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Stargate? Time travel really lends itself better to movies.
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May 22, 2016 20:46
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If only they knew Vandal Savage had a weakness to blue kryptonite all this time they could've shaved off a ton of unnecessary filler episodes.
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May 22, 2016 20:46
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nooneofconsequence posted:So what did they actually accomplish? Sometimes quests are worth doing just to level up, even if you fail the quest itself.
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GobiasIndustries posted:Savage being triple-dead is good enough for me. Time travel as a main plot point will never make logical sense. (is there a show where time travel actually makes sense?) The Sarah Connor Chronicles Continuum 12 Monkeys or shows with good writers who lay out rules for time travel and follow them instead of just making poo poo up as they go.
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May 22, 2016 22:11
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How was Continuum not making poo poo up as it went along?
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I like 12 Monkeys but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it makes sense. Tiggum posted:I was wondering why no one suggested Stein bring his wife along. It's not like she'd be in any more danger than staying in Central City. I interpreted it as the same old plan of a Hawk had to kill Savage with a Thanagarian charged weapon, which is what happened in 2166 or whenever. But Mick and Sara went and killed old Savages in the process of stopping the meteor because it was more satisfying and effective than tying him up in the corner. It was after all the two "killers" on the team who did it. If Ray and Firestorm had been teamed up they probably would have hemmed and hawed about it. What I was confused about was whether 2166 Savage was Time Travel Savage or a 4th version, but I guess everyone agrees it was Time Travel Savage so I guess he's dead for now. Which I'm totally fine with. nooneofconsequence posted:So what did they actually accomplish? The destroyed the whole Time Master setup that was apparently manipulating time and history to control things. That's something.
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I kinda feel like once they discovered that there's no free will, the future is decided by evil Time Travel Tyrants, that should've become the main plot. Instead they just take care of it in one episode and go back to killing the creepy generically foreign guy
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Xoidanor posted:Well logically they killed past Savage so all the Savage's should have disappeared according what previous episodes established, but then they still had to kill them all and- This one actually does make sense since the two past Savages they killed were not killed the special way that's required to actually kill them so they would just regenerate after a short time. The Savage they did kill for good was the one from 2160, in the year 2016.
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Xoidanor posted:How was Continuum not making poo poo up as it went along? It still followed rules it laid down about time travel. boom boom boom posted:I kinda feel like once they discovered that there's no free will, the future is decided by evil Time Travel Tyrants, that should've become the main plot. How were they evil?
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:How were they evil? Once you're using a machine called THE OCULUS to bend time to your will, the onus of proving you're not evil is on you.
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boom boom boom posted:Once you're using a machine called THE OCULUS to bend time to your will, the onus of proving you're not evil is on you. Don't kinkshame 
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STAC Goat posted:But Mick and Sara went and killed old Savages in the process of stopping the meteor because it was more satisfying and effective than tying him up in the corner.  STAC Goat posted:The destroyed the whole Time Master setup that was apparently manipulating time and history to control things. That's something.
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enraged_camel posted:Nice meltdown. It... it was me! This is entire time, I was the one melting down! It was meeeeeeeee 
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Robot Hobo posted:So, in theory, even in victory over Savage, Rip still made things much worse for the entire human race, while also not accomplishing his actual goal. If the rest of the Thanagarians suck as badly as Connor and Kendra, then I don't think the human race has much to worry about.
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EricFate posted:If the rest of the Thanagarians suck as badly as Connor and Kendra...
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The Hawk people couldn't kill Savage permanently because only an item from the room they were in when the magic happened could do that? But over thousands of years and hundred of lifetimes, it never occurred to them to just, like, throw Savage's body in some concrete. Or down a well. Or chain him to an anvil and toss him in the ocean.
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greatn posted:This one actually does make sense since the two past Savages they killed were not killed the special way that's required to actually kill them so they would just regenerate after a short time. The Savage they did kill for good was the one from 2160, in the year 2016. Except that due to time space meteor bullshit they weren't immortal at this time. There were multiple lines of dialogue to this fact and Rory even quipped about it.
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boom boom boom posted:The Hawk people couldn't kill Savage permanently because only an item from the room they were in when the magic happened could do that? But over thousands of years and hundred of lifetimes, it never occurred to them to just, like, throw Savage's body in some concrete. Or down a well. Or chain him to an anvil and toss him in the ocean. The mechanism behind his resurrection is unclear, which means anything is possible. So for all we know, his dead body might be dematerializing and then rematerializing in a random location on Earth. He is immortal, but can clearly die. He just comes back to life somehow. So even if they lock him up in an underground jail and throw away the key, he'd just die and resurrect elsewhere. Same with all the other methods mentioned, including throwing him into a volcano or the Sun. In other words, you're thinking about it way too much. It's comic book logic... the type you're supposed to turn off your brain while consuming.
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Here's another question I have; Savage got him immortality powers from killing the Hawk people, right? I'm pretty sure they say that and you see him absorb energy from their bodies in the undone timeline where he killed them on The Flash. So over the thousands of years and hundreds of lifetimes this has been going on, the Hawk people never once died before Savage could get there? They lived to adulthood every time? That seems far-fetched. And did they ever try suicide? I mean, their reincarnation is guaranteed, so you'd think they'd try it at least once. Or, just every time. If they killed themselves every life cycle for like, 500 years, either Savage's immortality would've worn off, or clearly, he doesn't actually need to kill them every time.
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