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Getsuya posted:The real bizarre thing about Umineko is that if you strip away all the BS red-herring stuff that didn't actually happen the actual real story is just about a girl whose family dies and then she goes around trying to find proof that the tabloids are wrong and they were good people and then when she can't actually find proof she decides to just believe they were good people for herself and ignore what the world says about them. That's the whole plot. Um, I think you'll find that that summary of the plot does not mention top-tier Gay Kidz Will and Lion, who are very important and real.
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apparently the end of the VN teases it, but MG announced proper that they'll be releasing the other fata morgana thing (MG tumblr calls it a prequel, twitter a fandisc. i dunno)
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May 21, 2016 05:11
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Motto posted:apparently the end of the VN teases it, but MG announced proper that they'll be releasing the other fata morgana thing (MG tumblr calls it a prequel, twitter a fandisc. i dunno) VNDB also calls it a fandisc, so I'm going to guess that it is a fandisc that is set before the original VN.
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May 21, 2016 14:35
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Are there any good VNs available on iOS? It seems like a good format for them but all I know of is the comic book version of 999 and foreign language versions of S;G.
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May 22, 2016 16:14
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Ryoshi posted:Are there any good VNs available on iOS? It seems like a good format for them but all I know of is the comic book version of 999 and foreign language versions of S;G. Banshee's Cry has an iOS port, it's once of the earliest VN's from when they were known as 'sound novels' and didn't have much in the way of graphics, it's pretty good though.
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So, the first four episodes of Umineko will be out on Steam in early July. I've heard good things about it, but is it worth reading just the first half and waiting for the rest?
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May 22, 2016 22:34
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May 22, 2016 22:38
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Tatarigoroshi on June 24th, by the way. All 4 umineko questions arcs out on apparently the same day, huh, but Higurashi... To be fair, they seem to be using Witch Hunt's already-existing more than suitable fan translation as a base so that's not really fair. It'll be interesting to compare the changes in the official release of Umineko.
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The first half are the "Question" arcs. The mystery isn't explained in these chapters, you're just left to wonder  is going on. I'd say its well worth it, having made it halfway through Chapter 3 before suddenly being busy and not keeping up with it.Also, I'm through the first day of the Before route in Root Double and am not really feeling it. The ages of the characters are all sorts of wonky, I thought that Louise would be at least 17 or 18 judging by her combat proficiency with that fire axe that a grown man might struggle to handle, let alone a 13 year old kid. Still, the atmosphere's pretty nice and relaxing after the tension of the After route.
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May 22, 2016 22:41
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Also unless the Steam screenshots are cockteasing me, it looks like Umineko might come with the Old Sprites, New Sprites, and the PS3 sprites. That's pretty nice and I did not expect that at all.
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May 22, 2016 22:44
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Can someone give me a spoiler free idea of how Umineko and Higurashi are related?
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Umineko was sortof targeted at a group of readers who would discuss each game between releases. Having a break to think about things and discuss your ideas with other players between 4 and 5 may give you a better experience overall. And if the answers arc is delayed forever you can just go and dig out the original version. I guess there's gonna be no voices though which sucks because the voice cast was really good. Ryoshi posted:Can someone give me a spoiler free idea of how Umineko and Higurashi are related?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Umineko was sortof targeted at a group of readers who would discuss each game between releases. Having a break to think about things and discuss your ideas with other players between 4 and 5 may give you a better experience overall. And if the answers arc is delayed forever you can just go and dig out the original version. So, my experience in reading Umineko won't be harmed by having only read the first 3 chapters of Higurashi (by the time it comes out), right?
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It won't really harm your experience with Umineko but it might reach backwards and spoil some parts of Higurashi for you.
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There are a few ways in which Umineko works better if you play it after Higurashi, but they're pretty minor. I played Umineko first and never felt like I was missing out on anything.
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There are absolutely no story bits that relate to each other in such a way that one will spoil the other, however going Higurashi->Umineko will make the way certain plot twists play out in the latter have their own little flair that are interesting/amusing. Glad to hear about Tatarigoroshi, and that presumably Umineko coming out the way it is means that series isn't a big timesink for them either in delaying more Higurashi chapters. voltcatfish posted:To be fair, they seem to be using Witch Hunt's already-existing more than suitable fan translation as a base so that's not really fair. It'll be interesting to compare the changes in the official release of Umineko. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 23:36 on May 22, 2016 |
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May 22, 2016 23:31
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One thing I can say about Umineko before even reading it is that it has an absolutely fantastic soundtrack. I'd buy it just to get a hold of the OST.
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The updated ones are bad, but arent as bad as the originals. Wait for a PS3 and voice mod.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:The updated ones are bad, but arent as bad as the originals. Wait for a PS3 and voice mod. Erm, can someone explain to me why the updated sprites are bad? I know I've heard people say the same about the Higurashi ones, but I don't see it for either. To me, both the PS3 ones and the updated ones look fine. Am I really aesthetically blind, or is there something I'm missing?
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They're fine, people are weird.
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MegaZeroX posted:Erm, can someone explain to me why the updated sprites are bad? I know I've heard people say the same about the Higurashi ones, but I don't see it for either. To me, both the PS3 ones and the updated ones look fine. Am I really aesthetically blind, or is there something I'm missing?
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Heavy neutrino posted:So, the first four episodes of Umineko will be out on Steam in early July. I've heard good things about it, but is it worth reading just the first half and waiting for the rest? If you want to be REALLY pro, read the first four chapters, then solve the mystery yourself and never touch the last four.
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May 23, 2016 02:46
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Heh... real OGs only need the first chapter...
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MegaZeroX posted:Erm, can someone explain to me why the updated sprites are bad? I know I've heard people say the same about the Higurashi ones, but I don't see it for either. To me, both the PS3 ones and the updated ones look fine. Am I really aesthetically blind, or is there something I'm missing? I personally really like the PS3 sprites for Umineko. They are detailed nicely, and are drawn and colored in just the right way befitting of Umineko's overall tone. The sprites being used for the Steam release are taken from some Pachinko game apparently, and they look about as low-rent to me as that sounds. I just don't dig the more angular faces, and the coloring work specifically looks real bad to me. I'm also willing to bet that there are going to be way fewer poses and variations, and the expressions just don't do it for me as much as the PS3 sprites did. Also it's releasing July 8th, not June 24th like someone said.
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...i actually did have the correct culprit by episode 2's end but if you can guess who, how, and whydunnit by that point you're a lunatic. umineko is good
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May 23, 2016 07:31
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I never could shake the feeling of ryukishi thinking you're a massive loving idiot if you can't guess the culprit by at least episode 4
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i mean, for good reason, by that point it's really obvious
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I was still completely clueless by the end of Episode 4  Most people I talked to were, actually.
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well yeah that's fair hindsight is 20/20 after all
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but compared to the way in which the culprit is foreshadowed in the first episode or the second, the fourth episode is relatively pounding it into your head with a hammer, so from the perspective of ryukishi, who knew it all from the get go, i can speak from experience that it is half hilarious, half infuriating to have people just not be able to pick up what you're putting down
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I actually noticed some of that foreshadowing early on... then I forgot it until like episode 5. At least the "ahah" moment was pretty cool when I finally put everything together.
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To be honest though, there's so much junk going on in Umineko that it feels like theorycrafting is pointless because the next episode will just one-up the next anyways. I think just hanging on for the ride was more fun than overthinking it.
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There was a translated letter or something by Ryukishi, where he said that he specifically put in a scene of of Battler going "Ah, now I understand everything" into ep. 05 because many readers were likepsy_wombats posted:To be honest though, there's so much junk going on in Umineko that it feels like theorycrafting is pointless because the next episode will just one-up the next anyways. I think just hanging on for the ride was more fun than overthinking it. That scene was there specifically to signal "You have enough information to solve everything".
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I feel really bad for anyone who didn't legit try to solve the mystery of Umineko. It's stellar. Relatedly, I also feel bad for anyone who has only watched the anime.
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There's only one good thing about the Umineko Anime, and that's YAMI WO KIRISAKU OH DESIRE
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It's not too difficult to ascertain a pretty good idea at who the culprit is before the end of EP4, if not earlier. A lot of it is arguably just circumstantial or process of elimination but the evidence is there. The actual mechanics as to how it all went down and especially the motive(s) involved is an entirely different story, to say nothing about the epitaph which solving ahead of time is insane to me. Sifting through the red/blue text trying to figure out each step of the story in every EP was so much god drat fun, and it's something you really did need a couple of weeks/months in between to do. Immediately moving on to the next EP after finishing a given chapter just can't be as good/fun IMO, but sadly that's a ship that has likely permanently passed. Arguably it could be a lot of fun in a LP with people who have never read it before but doing a LP of Umineko would be for crazy people; did that one here ever start back up or did it stay forever stalled?
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Nate RFB posted:Arguably it could be a lot of fun in a LP with people who have never read it before Stuff like that never works because you always end up with the following types of people in the thread: - People who actually haven't played it - People who played it and who post spoilers as "speculation" just because they're assholes - People who played it and don't *want* to spoil anything, but do so anyway by steering the discussion into certain directions because they know what's relevant and what isn't. Eventually, someone in group 1 guesses a few right answers, then someone in group 3 accuses them of belonging to group 2, thus confirming that it's true and spoiling everyone. The first Dangan Ronpa LP worked because it was totally unknown in the west before the LP, which wasn't true anymore for the second game. Another example would be the Rokka no Yuusha thread for the anime that aired last year.
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I don't really see the point of LPing what basically amounts to a book with music and sprites. I guess it's basically like a book club.alcharagia posted:...i actually did have the correct culprit by episode 2's end but if you can guess who, how, and whydunnit by that point you're a lunatic. umineko is good
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That's all interesting re: Umineko. I'm usually the sort of completely clueless reader who just sits back and enjoys the ride, but I'll try to actually use my brain with this one.
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