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Keeshhound posted:Fuckin' Miller. Please, don't mix up the awful things Miller has done with the awful things Millar has done.
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Uthor posted:Please, don't mix up the awful things Miller has done with the awful things Millar has done. Are they pronounced the same way?
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May 23, 2016 18:40
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prefect posted:Are they pronounced the same way? depends on your accent.
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May 23, 2016 18:40
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Uthor posted:Please, don't mix up the awful things Miller has done with the awful things Millar has done. poo poo, I didn't notice the different spelling. I guess that explains the conspicuous absence of sex workers.
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May 23, 2016 18:58
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prefect posted:Are they pronounced the same way?
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May 23, 2016 19:40
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While the Red Skull story in Ultimates Avengers isn't that great, it's still the best Ultimates story Millar wrote in my opinion. Of course I'll be in the minority because I really don't care for the first two volumes of Ultimates like a lot of people seem to.
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May 23, 2016 20:12
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The best part is that Fury apparently set up the whole thing with Skull going for/getting the Cosmic Cube so he could get control of SHIELD back from whoever had it at the time.
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May 23, 2016 20:15
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X-O posted:While the Red Skull story in Ultimates Avengers isn't that great, it's still the best Ultimates story Millar wrote in my opinion. Of course I'll be in the minority because I really don't care for the first two volumes of Ultimates like a lot of people seem to. Oh hey I'm a minority too, well that's just great, I never asked for this 
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May 23, 2016 22:14
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X-O posted:While the Red Skull story in Ultimates Avengers isn't that great, it's still the best Ultimates story Millar wrote in my opinion. Of course I'll be in the minority because I really don't care for the first two volumes of Ultimates like a lot of people seem to. Which was the one where all the foreign countries got their own super people and took over the US? I liked that one a lot.
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May 23, 2016 22:17
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prefect posted:Which was the one where all the foreign countries got their own super people and took over the US? I liked that one a lot. That's Ultimates II, not to be confused with Ultimate Avengers 2 which was the godawful Black Hulk story.
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May 23, 2016 22:33
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X-O posted:That's Ultimates II, not to be confused with Ultimate Avengers 2 which was the godawful Black Hulk story. I don't recall the Black Hulk story. Was this, like, a pitch-black hulk? Or a black guy who got hulked? Do we have a Power Falcons situation here? 
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Captain Bravo posted:I don't recall the Black Hulk story. Was this, like, a pitch-black hulk? Or a black guy who got hulked? The latter. He was the secret original Hulk or something, it didn't make a lot of sense.
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Yes, Tyrone Cash the original Hulk. Professor turned supervillain turned Ultimate Avenger turned traitor to SHIELD who was working for Carol Danvers, also traitor to SHIELD, well maybe traitor. He also met the same fate as Red Skull, shot in the face by Fury while laying in a hospital bed. Mark Millar didn't really write a lot of good stuff. I can name three times at least, off the top of my head that someone is murdered by a "good guy" while laying in a hospital bed. X-O fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 23, 2016 |
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May 23, 2016 22:59
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X-O posted:He also met the same fate as Red Skull, shot in the face by Fury while laying in a hospital bed. Nick Fury confirmed as Earth-616's Mark Millar.
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May 23, 2016 23:13
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X-O posted:Yes, Tyrone Cash the original Hulk. Professor turned supervillain turned Ultimate Avenger turned traitor to SHIELD who was working for Carol Danvers, also traitor to SHIELD, well maybe traitor. He also met the same fate as Red Skull, shot in the face by Fury while laying in a hospital bed. I'm sure Millar would argue that, since it was done by one of the good guys, it was an execution not a murder.
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Parahexavoctal posted:I'm not interested enough in knowing what he did that I'll track down the issues in question and read them. I am interested enough, though, that I'll ask. What did Millar's Ultimate Red Skull do? Others brought up the rest, but I'll give you the primary example. So he takes a woman's baby hostage for some reason I forget. He tells the woman to stab her husband to death with a pair of scissors to spare their child. She does it. If he'd just done THAT, it would have been a horrifically chilling villain moment. But of course Millar doesn't stop there. He has his minions beat and rape the woman. Then he throws the baby out the window. And to top it off he raids the fridge before he leaves the house. Like I said. If it wasn't all a bunch of horrible disgusting things, it would be comedic.
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Cornwind Evil posted:And to top it off he raids the fridge before he leaves the house. It's just a comment on Women in Refrigerators!
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I remember thinking that with a minor change in the writing, that Red Skull storyline could've been really great. All they had to do was play up the nihilistic "ends justifies the means" mission. The idea that as far as Skull was concerned, it was okay to be the worst monster ever because once he was done, none of that would have happened. Everything he did would have been swept away, so there was no moral issue. It's like how in Flashpoint, one of the better moments was Flash realizing that even if this world wasn't "real" to him, he couldn't allow everyone to suffer due to his actions. Same basic concept, only Flash was the hero while Red Skull's failure solidified him as a horrible villain.
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Gavok posted:I remember thinking that with a minor change in the writing, that Red Skull storyline could've been really great. All they had to do was play up the nihilistic "ends justifies the means" mission. The idea that as far as Skull was concerned, it was okay to be the worst monster ever because once he was done, none of that would have happened. Everything he did would have been swept away, so there was no moral issue. In fringe they were getting all pissed at Peter wanting to go back to his universe as it would erase them and their lives/experiences.
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May 24, 2016 02:14
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bobkatt013 posted:In fringe they were getting all pissed at Peter wanting to go back to his universe as it would erase them and their lives/experiences. Oh my god, don't even loving bring up Season 4 of Fringe. That show went from hero to zero faster than I've ever seen a show jump the shark. Season 4 was a long, drawn out plane crash, and season 5 was somebody giving the wreckage a shovel and telling it to dig.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Others brought up the rest, but I'll give you the primary example. ugh. Was this the same guy who wrote the "pubescent alien girl has literally apocalyptic periods"?
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May 24, 2016 02:57
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FilthyImp posted:
what is with the ultimate universe and cannibalism
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May 24, 2016 04:27
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:what is with the ultimate universe and cannibalism
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May 24, 2016 04:31
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:what is with the ultimate universe and cannibalism there's this (millar) there's the bit with ultimate blob eating ultimate wasp (loeb, i think) there's "hulk eat freddie prinze jr" (millar, right?) is there more?
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May 24, 2016 06:47
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Millar has some serious goddamn issues.
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May 24, 2016 07:10
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Millar walks the razor edge of pushing the boundaries of comics then jumps over the edge into an empty swimming pool doing a can opener and bounces twice.
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May 24, 2016 07:24
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More like he drags his ballsack along the edge and writes a bunch of ~EXTREME~ with his bloody groin
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May 24, 2016 07:55
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bobkatt013 posted:In fringe they were getting all pissed at Peter wanting to go back to his universe as it would erase them and their lives/experiences. Also Stargate: Continuum.
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Parahexavoctal posted:there's this (millar) When the Chitaurii invade the earth in Ultimates, the chief villain (Kleiser) has a ridiculous healing factor that makes him basically invulnerable. This is resolved by having Hulk eat him, and then SHIELD capturing and containing the resulting waste in a bunch of canisters.
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Ashcans posted:When the Chitaurii invade the earth in Ultimates, the chief villain (Kleiser) has a ridiculous healing factor that makes him basically invulnerable. This is resolved by having Hulk eat him, and then SHIELD capturing and containing the resulting waste in a bunch of canisters. ... and that reminds me of the literal pile-of-poo poo character from Wanted (by, of course, Millar). The poo poo golem made from the feces of the 666 worst people in history. When Ennis writes stuff like Arseface, or Ma Gnucci getting her limbs eaten by polar bears, it doesn't feel as stupid, somehow. Why is that?
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Ashcans posted:When the Chitaurii invade the earth in Ultimates, the chief villain (Kleiser) has a ridiculous healing factor that makes him basically invulnerable. This is resolved by having Hulk eat him, and then SHIELD capturing and containing the resulting waste in a bunch of canisters. I remember actually laughing at that one, though. 
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Parahexavoctal posted:there's this (millar) I didn't read a ton of ultimate books, but does Giant man eat blob or just bite him in half? Also I think in one of the xmen issues they mention hulk eating a bunch of guards.
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Parahexavoctal posted:When Ennis writes stuff like Arseface, or Ma Gnucci getting her limbs eaten by polar bears, it doesn't feel as stupid, somehow. Why is that? It's still pretty stupid. Ennis just likes to mix his needless profanity and excessive violence with existential or futurist wank, so it feels "balanced". Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 17:47 on May 24, 2016 |
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Also I think in one of the xmen issues they mention hulk eating a bunch of guards.
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May 24, 2016 18:23
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I think it's more because Ennis knows it's ridiculous and is writing it that way.
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May 24, 2016 18:25
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Ennis isn't better than Millar so I dunno.
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Discendo Vox posted:It's still pretty stupid. Ennis just likes to mix his needless profanity and excessive violence with existential or futurist wank, so it feels "balanced". I think you're thinking of Ellis. edit: Actually, I think I've figured out the difference -- why Millar's profanity and excessive violence doesn't feel the same as when Ennis does it. Ennis tries to include moments of genuine emotion; the characters exist for more than just the shock moments. Millar could have written the scene where A-Train accidentally killed Wee Hughie's girlfriend, but he wouldn't have gone into detail about how Hughie was affected by it. Similarly, Hitman wouldn't have been a success if not for Hackett, Sean Noonan, SixPac, etc. Millar could have written Section Eight, but Ennis made us feel sorry for them. Parahexavoctal fucked around with this message at 20:57 on May 24, 2016 |
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The futurist part was a ninja edit when I got them crossed, but the rest holds. Ennis uses cheap emotive ploys and wankery to justify characters like the Messiah.
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FilthyImp posted:UltHulk was just all of Banner's desires run wild, so Eat gently caress Punch was his M.O. I really disliked that variation of Hulk tremendously. The part where the nurses make fun of Banner so he intentionally turns himself into the Hulk so he can rape and eat them was the worst treatment of the characters I've ever heard of.
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Flesh Forge posted:I really disliked that variation of Hulk tremendously. The part where the nurses make fun of Banner so he intentionally turns himself into the Hulk so he can rape and eat them was the worst treatment of the characters I've ever heard of. That's certainly bad. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's rear end.
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