Ynglaur posted:

After reading VG's write-up I really want to buy that book. Oh, that's right: CCP won't go through the extra 15 minutes it takes to enable publishing on the Windows Kindle client. Don't have iOS or Android? Too bad.

Landsknecht posted:

There's been quite a bit of drama (very recently) surrounding who exactly orchestrated a lot of the subterfuge; The_Mittani has said that he masterminded the whole thing, while Darius JOHNSON, CEO of Goonswarm at the time and Hesiod on these forums, has said that it was more of him, Tamir Lenk, and XTTZ (master of game mechanics) who came up with the plan to disband BOB.

VideoGames posted:

I just finished the book! That was exhaustingly good. Please tell me there is another that continues on! I want to know more!

Also it is a shame Pandemic Legion and Goonswarm seem to dislike each other now after all their work to stop Band of Brothers/ZenKoku.

I can safely say that RVCMF will never be one of those grand universe powers. I do not want that sort of stress. I just want to be known as the happiest miner!

evilweasel posted:

At this point, I believe Vile Rat (though I'm not clear on the details here and may be wrong) to let TCF let us move into Deklein.

xtothez posted:

The disbanding itself was Mittani's thing, Darius made the call as CEO abandon our existing space and throw everything into Delve.

edit: the drama was mostly about Darius not being mentioned in the book and stomping off to make his own reclaim Goonswarm, with blackjack and hookers.

evilweasel posted:

Basically, the guy said he's reluctant to go any farther because after the fall of BoB, everyone involved is still fighting today so it's much harder to get to the truth when everyone's still spinning.

The short version is: following the conquest of Delve, goonswarm sort of stagnated without a major enemy. BoB reformed under IT Alliance and drove Pandemic Legion out of Fountain, and was attacking Goonswarm. At that point, CCP had made a major change to the sov system: instead of keeping sov by keeping POS online, you kept it by paying maintinence bills for all of your systems. When CCP changed the sov system over though, it made it so that every bill was due on the exact same day. At this point Goonswarm had had a few leadership changes - Zapawork took over from DJ, and then Karttoon (a guy who had become popular by popularizing ganking miners in highsec) took over from Zapawork.

So, one day, all of goonswarm's bills came due. Except Karttoon was on vacation, and the CFO (niart epar) had told everyone he was barely playing, and those were the only two people with access to all the money. So, the bills didn't get paid, and Goonswarm lost sov over every single system, at once.

IT alliance and its allies reacted by managing to take sov over Goonswarm's key systems before Goonswarm could (the market and the capital staging system), which lead to the leadership deciding Delve could no longer be defended and evacuating. At this point, Karttoon came back and when everyone told him he was (to summarize) an incompetent moron who should resign, he stole the alliance and all of the assets he could get.

So, Goonfleet all moved into Goonwaffe, an old GoonSwarm corporation that had gotten mothballed. Darius came back to lead Goonwaffe, which formed a new alliance with a gimmick name ("LODRA"). At this point, one of the major schisms that still haunts this thread happened - the black ops corporation, "Elitist Ops", and Darius got into what can most politely and succictly be described as a dumb loving slapfight. This led to Elitist Ops being kicked out of LODRA and joining Pandemic Legion, which lead to a further slapfight between Darius and the leadership of Pandemic Legion.

At some point in time here, Pandemic Legion tried (and failed) to gank one of LODRA's titans, further straining relations between the two. From this point on PL and LODRA (and later GSF) have been fairly hostile.

LODRA had moved to syndicate, and then later invaded Cloud Ring. My recollection of this is that Phreeze just organized and started the invasion and DJ was not pleased, but it's a bit hazy. We conquered Cloud Ring and then promptly lost it because our enemies had a lot of supercaps and we did not. At this point, I believe Vile Rat (though I'm not clear on the details here and may be wrong) to let TCF let us move into Deklein. Also at some point in time while we were in syndicate, some of the old Goonswarm corporations left to form a splinter alliance "Here Be Dragons" (hilariously, now Darkness's renter alliance in deklein) over what can most politely be described as having had enough of DJ's style of leadership. I'm not entirely positive about the timeline of these events - they all happened around the same time.

DJ then got a job at CCP and had to quit. He appointed The Mittani as CEO of goonwaffe/LODRA. The Mittani then refounded the alliance as Goonswarm Federation and closed the LODRA alliance. At first, GSF lived in one constellation in Deklein, and then when TCF started to decline they turned the whole region over to GSF, and GSF took their place as part of the Northern Coalition.

From there, the cliffs notes are that Pandemic Legion and Triumvirate (which formed an alliance called "Northern Coalition." to make everything confusing) and some other allies conquered and destroyed all of the Northern Coalition except GSF. They made an attack on GSF's capital, VFK, which ended in a hilarious disaster and left GSF in charge of the remaining alliances left from the Northern Coalition, which were renamed the ClusterFuck Coalition ("CFC", later renamed to The Imperium). GSF then reconquered the north over a year or two, evicting all of the alliances that had conquered the old NC and installed CFC allies in the region instead. The collapse of the CFC/Imperium's stranglehold on the north is the current war.

I've left out some other stuff, like the strangling and murder of TEST Alliance, universally agreed to have been a gaggle of shitlords at the time they were murdered (even by their allies at the time, who propped them up to try to keep the CFC in check, and even by the current leaders of TEST). But that's the very broad strokes of how the universe at the end of the book became the one we're all arguing over today.

Endie posted:

That was me. Darius was going to move us to Venal and the (old) NC had said they'd reset us if we did. I said something like "give me five minutes before you do that" and spoke to Sil, who gave us either N-T or DKUK - I always get confused there - and so it began.

jm20 posted:

In Syndicate we fought against ev0ke who were widely known to exploit an item dupe exploit with R64 reactions and ended up with a massive supercap fleet for the time due to this. We couldnt't man up to them and their other friends at the time, occasionally traded supercaps when goons could actually hold a tackle which was a huge problem from 2006 to 20xx.

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

fixed for accuracy

Landsknecht posted:

There's been quite a bit of drama (very recently) surrounding who exactly orchestrated a lot of the subterfuge; The_Mittani has said that he masterminded the whole thing, while Darius JOHNSON, CEO of Goonswarm at the time and Hesiod on these forums, has said that it was more of him, Tamir Lenk, and XTTZ (master of game mechanics) who came up with the plan to disband BOB.

jm20 posted:

It was DKUK IIRC

Endie posted:

I am irate at being written out in your version and shall be petitioning to get the Goonplatoon corp which I shall take to Syndicate to be Truer Gooniers.

evilweasel posted:

evilweasel posted:

They gave us both systems, but N-T didn't have a station at the time. We dropped the N-T station ourselves and had both.

Endie posted:

I had been convinced that we actually got DKUK first, but according to dotlan N-T's sov was transferred to use weeks before DKUK.

The diplo role at that point was largely made up of TCF guys coming to me and saying "we understand that you need room but we said you could use that constellation for le ratting but zere is a goon botting in RG9 25 jumps away sacre bleu etc etc"

Landsknecht posted:

What's the relationship between NCDOT and Triumvirate, which seems to have been resurrected and is now holding sov?

One of the more important wars that GSF (LODRA at the time) got involved in was when ATLAS fell, as that was the first war that showed the power of massed supercarriers. The same coalition that took out ATLAS went and smacked the old NC around a year later.

Endie posted:

I had been convinced that we actually got DKUK first, but according to dotlan N-T's sov was transferred to us weeks before DKUK.

The diplo role at that point was largely made up of TCF guys coming to me and saying "we understand that you need room but we said you could use that constellation for le ratting but zere is a goon botting in RG9 25 jumps away sacre bleu etc etc"

evilweasel posted:

So, one day, all of goonswarm's bills came due. Except Karttoon was on vacation, and the CFO (niart epar) had told everyone he was barely playing, and those were the only two people with access to all the money. So, the bills didn't get paid, and Goonswarm lost sov over every single system, at once.

IT alliance and its allies reacted by managing to take sov over Goonswarm's key systems before Goonswarm could (the market and the capital staging system)

quote:

At first, GSF lived in one constellation in Deklein, and then when TCF started to decline they turned the whole region over to GSF, and GSF took their place as part of the Northern Coalition.

Endie posted:

I am irate at being written out in your version and shall be petitioning to get the Goonplatoon corp which I shall take to Syndicate to be Truer Gooniers.

VideoGames posted:

Does he still actually post here? Because I do not. I thought he might be called The Mittani here too like I use my forum name. But then it has just occurred to me as I type this that a lot of people wouldn't do that.

evilweasel posted:

My recollection is that we were allowed to move into DKUK and live in it, but that because it was a entryway system and we were a pretty weak alliance at the time they kept the sov. So dotlan wouldn't reflect when we started living there, just when we were deemed competent enough to own the sov.

feedmegin posted:

Having just joined Capswarm literally weeks earlier, this was a hell of a shock. Go to bed after a night of ~goodfights~ in my shiny new carrier thinking all was well, wake up to find myself in an enemy-held station. Joining a midnight breakout op a week or so later was one of the more intense moments of my Eve life (especially since my power supply went bang halfway through and I had to log back in from my laptop).

feedmegin posted:

I haven't seen anyone give you the actual answer yet, but he's Numismancer. He doesn't seem to post very often these days. He's the guy with the AV of a tank and something about the (no longer existent) People's Republic of Deklein.

evilweasel posted:

I owned a 40 tower reactor farm in that system at the time, which had most of my net worth in it. I was very, very lucky I had insomnia that day and woke up early enough that I could get my jump freighter into space to start evaccing the valuable stuff. It was a rough few days, but fortunately IT/AAA had much better things to do than interfere. I still wound up trashing like 10-15b of stuff, but I hauled out at least 40b of stuff I probably would have lost if I hadn't had my JF in space when they started camping the station.

Landsknecht posted:

Weren't you part of the group that got insanely rich off of the botched introduction of PI a bit later as well?

Landsknecht posted:

What's the relationship between NCDOT and Triumvirate, which seems to have been resurrected and is now holding sov?

One of the more important wars that GSF (LODRA at the time) got involved in was when ATLAS fell, as that was the first war that showed the power of massed supercarriers. The same coalition that took out ATLAS went and smacked the old NC around a year later.

Landsknecht posted:

Weren't you part of the group that got insanely rich off of the botched introduction of PI a bit later as well?

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

most of goonfleetswarm got a piece of that pie, i swung by late as gently caress and still made like 5 or 10b off 1b or less


also they loving tipped off boat before telling other people so he made a loving fortune the dickheads

YouTuber posted:

The "goons won eve" line is pretty hollow since pl had broken up every coalition during 2010-2010 and they never organised to be as powerful as the old great war coalitions. Everyone was smaller and weaker because it afforded them more freedom from God awful pubbies like MoA.

Ynglaur posted:

After reading VG's write-up I really want to buy that book. Oh, that's right: CCP won't go through the extra 15 minutes it takes to enable publishing on the Windows Kindle client. Don't have iOS or Android? Too bad.

hirvox posted:

Huh? I bought it from Amazon US and can tell Amazon to deliver it to any of my iOS devices or my Windows client.

Since we're in a history lesson, what happened to NC? I was in Mostly Harmless during the DKUK move, but then I started winning Eve.

evilweasel posted:

Yep! The reaction farm got me from poor to moderately space wealthy, guidance systems got me to not really needing to care about isk. Sadly I'd actually burned a lot of isk on a previous bug in the PI introduction where you could reprocess cynojammers into P4s - we laundered our p4s into outposts so they would evade CCP's breaking of the P4s, but that wound up only tripling our money and locking it up until well after the GS train had sailed. So I only wound up getting about 5m, while Aryth got something like 40m.

we tipped off all of illum but figured we could't tip off everyone without ruining it, unfortunately. Fortunately everyone still made money, except Trzzbk - who got tipped off when they were 418 isk, decided not to invest because he always lost at patch speculation, panicked when they zoomed to 20k the day after the patch, bought in then, then panicked again when they fell to 10k and sold them all

YouTuber posted:

PL killed Atlas and various friends. As lodra was losing a war to ev0ke and becoming a TCF pet pl did a full circuit of the game starting in Geminate. We then went to scalding pass and blew up Atlas. Then we went south and blew AAA up. Something they never recovered from. Then we started blowing up IT alliance but got requested to do there NC in whom had moved into geminate after we purged there region. This pissed the Russian off so we killed the NC for them.

The "goons won eve" line is pretty hollow since pl had broken up every coalition during 2010-2010 and they never organised to be as powerful as the old great war coalitions. Everyone was smaller and weaker because it afforded them more freedom from God awful pubbies like MoA.

Go read the old israd thread we used to post about our adventure until we got too

evilweasel posted:

Yep! The reaction farm got me from poor to moderately space wealthy, guidance systems got me to not really needing to care about isk. Sadly I'd actually burned a lot of isk on a previous bug in the PI introduction where you could reprocess cynojammers into P4s - we laundered our p4s into outposts so they would evade CCP's breaking of the P4s, but that wound up only tripling our money and locking it up until well after the GS train had sailed. So I only wound up getting about 5m, while Aryth got something like 40m.


we tipped off all of illum but figured we could't tip off everyone without ruining it, unfortunately. Fortunately everyone still made money, except Trzzbk - who got tipped off when they were 418 isk, decided not to invest because he always lost at patch speculation, panicked when they zoomed to 20k the day after the patch, bought in then, then panicked again when they fell to 10k and sold them all

feedmegin posted:

If I recall they made the bad mistake of picking a fight with the Russians, who kicked their poo poo in, and then they crumbled rather like the CFC just did

VideoGames posted:

The book did cover Evil Thug and his defection against the Red Alliance.

In fact, I am so glad to have read it because so much more is making sense than before. I wasn't part of any of that history, but now I can kind of see where everyone comes from and why the history causes such great tensions. So much goes into the game in the bigger groups that you kind of put your life into it, and so an infraction against your online representative is an infraction against you.

I really do mean it when I say I do not have big plans. I do want to remain small and chill, because reading the book shows what happens when you get too big. People lose faith and enjoyment.

Landsknecht posted:

Did the book mention Sir Lordex (or whoever) at all? This guy was supposedly the son of a russian aluminum/mining magnate, and he spend piles of money to start his own space group (Red.Overlord).

evilweasel posted:

My recollection is the book mentions it in passing as something that was said that he was never able to confirm.

tazjin posted: