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Hat Thoughts posted:Well, Kodiak's argument hasn't changed at all dude. Again, what difference does it make if the items require a ticket purchase or are free to anyone who logs in? The initial argument, as part of the greater point that Blizzard wasn't behind the film, was that they wouldn't invest resources on promotional giveaways. Then, it was that they weren't promoting the film in the game. Now, it's whether or not the promotional items benefit the game or the movie (it's both). One way or another, their huge fanbase is going to be aware of this movie when it comes out. It looks like colorful family-friendly fantasy people might take their older kids to in the week between TMNT 2 and Finding Dory. I'm not making a prediction, but I'm not convinced it will bomb like the conventional wisdom here suggests.
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Holyshoot posted:No joke. Chinese people go crazy for his movies. Look it up. And that's different from other countries how?
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Grendels Dad posted:And that's different from other countries how? Guess I should have been more specific. They like terminator and helped saved Terminator Genisys from bombing at the box office completely. This was a terrible movie but they clearly loved it so my point still stands that I would take the pre-order ticket sales over there with a grain of salt. http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Terminator-Genisys#tab=international
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May 24, 2016 20:10
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Toady posted:Again, what difference does it make if the items require a ticket purchase or are free to anyone who logs in? When the question is whether Blizzard is investing game development resources into increasing ticket sales, whether or not a give-away is dependent on ticket sales seems pretty relevant. But perhaps this will clarify better. I was posting in relation to a specific argument that has been running around the Internet for a couple of years. Here's a post from the greenlighted thread that's a representative example: Len posted:All they have to do to male Warcraft sell crazy is make a way to turn tickets into mounts or pets pr some poo poo. WoW players eat that stuff up. Note that I am suspicious of the claim that I keep changing my argument when two posts down from the one linked above is me making in 2015 the same argument I'm making here.
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May 24, 2016 20:18
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Holyshoot posted:Guess I should have been more specific. They like terminator and helped saved Terminator Genisys from bombing at the box office completely. This was a terrible movie but they clearly loved it so my point still stands that I would take the pre-order ticket sales over there with a grain of salt. What are we supposed to be skeptical of exactly? Chinese people are buying a lot of tickets. The film will probably be very successful there. Terminator was also a success in China, and overall. This is factual, no salt required.
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May 24, 2016 21:15
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's reports popping up all over the net that pre-sales for Warcraft opened in China yesterday and blew the gently caress up They just want to know what that dumb game they were paid to farm gold in 10 years ago was about.
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Great write up with Duncan Jones and going through making this movie with your wife getting a double mastectomy then your dad dying and now his wife is about to give birth.  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/movies/duncan-jones-bowies-son-on-making-warcraft-and-facing-his-own-battles.html?login=email quote:“Warcraft,” which carries a costly price tag and faces steep competition at the summer box office, has been flagged as one of the summer’s riskiest releases by trade publications like The Hollywood Reporter. quote:Mr. Jones said that his father, an avid fan of fantasy and science fiction (and a star of films like “Labyrinth”) had been encouraging of “Warcraft.”
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May 24, 2016 22:06
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Toady posted:Again, what difference does it make if the items require a ticket purchase or are free to anyone who logs in? The initial argument, as part of the greater point that Blizzard wasn't behind the film, was that they wouldn't invest resources on promotional giveaways. Then, it was that they weren't promoting the film in the game. Now, it's whether or not the promotional items benefit the game or the movie (it's both). Nah, the Kodiak post I quoted was his first one. His argument didn't change, and again, I don't see a point where you can prove him wrong.
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Hat Thoughts posted:Nah, the Kodiak post I quoted was his first one. His argument didn't change, and again, I don't see a point where you can prove him wrong. I called it hair-splitting. "The question is whether Blizzard is investing game development resources into increasing ticket sales." Of course they are. Despite this being a licensed product they supposedly don't care about, they've been promoting it for years and hosting Blizzcon panels with cast and crew. Chris Metzen is a co-producer. Toady fucked around with this message at 23:45 on May 24, 2016 |
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May 24, 2016 23:29
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Toady posted:I called it hair-splitting. It doesn't matter if the cross-promotional items don't require a ticket purchase. Blizzard is investing developer resources in promoting the film. Despite this being a licensed product they supposedly don't care about, they've been promoting it for years and hosting Blizzcon panels with cast and crew. Chris Metzen is a co-producer. I'd call it hair splitting too if I was wrong & trying to change the subject. (also, come on dude, even you know you're wrong - I saw you edit out that Kodiak quote cuz you realized it didn't prove your point)
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Hat Thoughts posted:I'd call it hair splitting too if I was wrong & trying to change the subject. You caught me mid-edit. This is a weird hill to die on. Why is it important to the argument about Blizzard's supposed disinterest in promoting the film that the items don't require a ticket purchase? Edit: To refresh your memory, the original argument was that Blizzard would never invest resources into this because, as a license job, it's not "something they get all the money for." Toady fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 24, 2016 23:52
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Toady posted:"The question is whether Blizzard is investing game development resources into increasing ticket sales." ... they've been promoting it for years and hosting Blizzcon panels Yeah, I can see what you edited this before being called out.
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May 25, 2016 00:00
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Toady posted:I don't know what you're indicating in bold. A Blizzcon panel is not a game development resource.
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The reviews are out and they are brutal haha.quote:“Warcraft” promises, or threatens, sequels, but then so did “Super Mario Bros.” And come to think of it, if forced to watch either of these video-game movies a second time, I’d probably vote for the plumbers. quote:Imagine “Battlefield Earth” without the verve and you get this sludgy, tedious fantasy adventure, a fun-starved dud that’s not even unintentionally hilarious
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Sir Kodiak posted:A Blizzcon panel is not a game development resource. You're not following. The in-game items are the game development resource. The rest was a response to the original claim that they're not interested in this because it's a "license job," which you cited as the reason they'd never invest those types of resources to promote it. Of course they will; Metzen considers it his "conceptual redemption" in retelling the story properly.
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May 25, 2016 00:23
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Toady posted:You're not following. The in-game items are the game development resource. The rest was a response to the original claim that they're not interested in this because it's a "license job," which you cited as the reason they'd never invest those types of resources to promote it. As I said before, which you ignored: Sir Kodiak posted:Game content based on movies is generally recognized as promoting the game, not the movie. That's why licensed games for movies involve the game publisher paying the rights-holder for the film to use their IP. Raven Software/Activision had to pay for the right to make a X-Men Origins: Wolverine game. This is common in games based on existing IP. Rocksteady/Eidos/Square had to pay WB/DC for the right to use Batman in the Arkham games.
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Sir Kodiak posted:As I said before, which you ignored: I didn't ignore it. It's what I was referring to about changing arguments, a tangent about how licensed games pay for use of an IP and therefore these cross-promotion items don't count as cross-promotion. quote:But if you’ve never played Warcraft the game, can you care about Warcraft the movie? Given the ardent global following of the franchise, will it matter? For non-aficionados, the two-hour experience could be more concise, but it’s no ordeal. Neither, though, is it consistently involving. If you haven’t already invested in the self-serious mythology, it can feel borderline camp, if not downright dull — or both, as when an uncredited Glenn Close intones platitudes from on high about darkness and light. Sounds like the movie name-checks the complex lore, which is a shame. It only needed to be a simple story.
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Black Bones posted:Battlefield Earth had "verve"? I think Battlefield Earth is a solidly so-bad-it's-good film and poo poo like Travolta in a hideous costume chewing the scenery about rat-eating man-animals cracks me the gently caress up, so I guess it can get a 'you tried' award for "verve". Whereas Warcraft just looks bad. lazorexplosion fucked around with this message at 01:40 on May 25, 2016 |
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Well I won't watch anything that doesn't have a bunch of verve in it. RIP warcraft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyu1KKwC74
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:The reviews are out and they are brutal haha. Like I'm gonna listen to any of these pieces of poo poo after BvS.
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I mean Transformers makes a ton of money and its universally panned, I just don't think Warcraft has the same brand recognition.
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Toady posted:I didn't ignore it. It's what I was referring to about changing arguments, a tangent about how licensed games pay for use of an IP and therefore these cross-promotion items don't count as cross-promotion. Accusing me of "changing arguments" is sort of slimy when what you're doing here is presenting my argument as something I never claimed. I never said there wouldn't be "cross promotion." Of course there is, it's inherent in the existence of a licensed product. What I said was that Blizzard wouldn't compensate people who purchased tickets with stuff in-game, which is specifically something that a bunch of people predicted they would do to drive up ticket sales. I never claimed that Blizzard wouldn't acknowledge the existence of the movie. This is why your reading comprehension got made fun of.
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When even kotaku, the gutter of the gutter of taste, didn't like your movie, and thought it was bad, there may be problemsquote:I had hoped Warcraft would at a minimum be entertaining, but really, I’ve had more enjoyable two-hour sessions wiping on Molten Core.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i kinda wish movie theatres just didn't exist in china. How would they watch movies in that case? Streaming? Home video? Harsh fates...
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Invalid Validation posted:I mean Transformers makes a ton of money and its universally panned, I just don't think Warcraft has the same brand recognition. Um, it had 10 million subscribers at its peak. I have no doubt that there are people who would literally kill for that sort of brand recognition. In music, that would be a diamond platinum. Except they were subscriptions. At its peak, WoW was hitting the highest possible sales certification for American pop music monthly.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Accusing me of "changing arguments" is sort of slimy when what you're doing here is presenting my argument as something I never claimed. I never said there wouldn't be "cross promotion." Of course there is, it's inherent in the existence of a licensed product. What I said was that Blizzard wouldn't compensate people who purchased tickets with stuff in-game, which is specifically something that a bunch of people predicted they would do to drive up ticket sales. I never claimed that Blizzard wouldn't acknowledge the existence of the movie. This is why your reading comprehension got made fun of. And I asked what difference it made that they weren't compensating ticket purchases as long as they were promoting the film. You said "the question of whether they're using the movie to promote the game or the game to promote the movie is the entire point." Tonight, the promotional items unlocked in World of Warcraft, and Coming Soon teasers went up on Battle.net. I don't care what someone wrote about me. Your argument was that they wouldn't "invest their own resources" in mobilizing their playerbase for a licensed adaptation. This is a 10-year project co-produced by Chris Metzen. It may make little difference at the box office, but they're going to try.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i kinda wish movie theatres just didn't exist in china. I know right? My life was ruined too when I learned there's a cut of Iron Man 3 10,000 miles away where a doctor is on screen for two seconds.
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Neo Rasa posted:I know right? My life was ruined too when I learned there's a cut of Iron Man 3 10,000 miles away where a doctor is on screen for two seconds. Nah, the conspiracy theory is that we have dumb action blockbusters because those dastardly Chinese can't understand English.
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This is the board that insists that MoS and BvS have value. The board that has swung a majority to vote in favour of the Star Wars prequels. I'ma gonna enjoy my stupid Warcraft movie and you tasteless goons can't stop me.
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Steve2911 posted:This is the board that insists that MoS and BvS have value. The board that has swung a majority to vote in favour of the Star Wars prequels.  It's got to the point that I'm hoping a movie gets mixed to bad reviews.
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Toady posted:And I asked what difference it made that they weren't compensating ticket purchases as long as they were promoting the film. You said "the question of whether they're using the movie to promote the game or the game to promote the movie is the entire point." Tonight, the promotional items unlocked in World of Warcraft, and Coming Soon teasers went up on Battle.net. If you'd like, I could repeat my post about how including movie content in a game has historically been associated with promoting the game, not the movie, but then you'd just accuse me of changing my argument via the basic act of explaining how the evidence you're bringing up in no way contradicts my point, so I won't bother.
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Sir Kodiak posted:If you'd like, I could repeat my post about how including movie content in a game has historically been associated with promoting the game, not the movie, but then you'd just accuse me of changing my argument via the basic act of explaining how the evidence you're bringing up in no way contradicts my point, so I won't bother. You've been arguing this point for more than 24 hours.  Can't we talk about how rad the orcs look or something?
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Sir Kodiak posted:If you'd like, I could repeat my post about how including movie content in a game has historically been associated with promoting the game, not the movie, but then you'd just accuse me of changing my argument via the basic act of explaining how the evidence you're bringing up in no way contradicts my point, so I won't bother. It would be just as silly and irrelevant given that WoW is the IP and the film is the licensed product, so I agree that you shouldn't bother.
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Toady posted:WoW is the IP and the film is the licensed product Doesn't change a thing about how generating user interest works given that the items are specifically movie-themed.
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