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So if the specs for the 1070 are to be believed the 980ti is going to tank price wise. So the logical upgrade path for us 980ti owners is going to become buy a second hand 980ti and sli. fire strike ultra: 1080 sli: 9144 980ti sli: 7965 1080: 5081 980ti: 4586
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...aren't those two diametrically opposed market forces? You can't tank and have increased demand at the same time!
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May 24, 2016 21:45
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And SLI would be great, if VR SLI was a thing yet.  Until then, I feel we are sort of stuck with waiting to see what the 1080Ti offers and how it performs in VR. Now if you aren't using VR at all. Then go hog wild. My 780 SLI setup could run anything I threw at them at 1440P ultra so SLI 980Ti's would be stupid good. Also if the 980Ti is roughly equal to a 1070, wouldn't that make them just a hair cheaper than a 1070 which would probably be around the $400+ range itself for a while?
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May 24, 2016 21:47
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The 1070 is a hair better, plus the used tax I see the 980tis going from 300-350 as it will be a hard to sell a secondhand card that performs worse for more than a brand new 1070 for $379. No vr, just trying to fully utilize my 1440p 165hz monitor.
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May 24, 2016 21:52
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EdEddnEddy posted:And SLI would be great, if VR SLI was a thing yet. New 980ti's are still 500+ right now, and I don't think you'll see them crater out much below $500 due to the SLI upgrade path + production being halted for a while now. Comparing a used 980ti vs a new 1070 might be pretty close, but I don't think that's a totally fair comparison. The MSRP for a 1070 is $379, and while you probably won't get that at launch I don't think your going to be waiting too long before you'll find some at MSRP.
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May 24, 2016 21:54
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Doesn't SLI not work half the time anyway?
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May 24, 2016 22:06
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Josh Lyman posted:Doesn't SLI not work half the time anyway? SLI works fine in the past few years for most any games that aren't day 1 AAA launch titles. It isn't near as bad as it was back in the GTX500 series era at least. However, it doesn't work at all in VR currently where it would be massively beneficial currently.
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May 24, 2016 22:10
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Josh Lyman posted:Doesn't SLI not work half the time anyway? It's theoretically a good idea for VR, if AMD and nVidia would hurry up and finish their VR SLI implementations already.
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May 24, 2016 22:10
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EdEddnEddy posted:SLI works fine in the past few years for most any games that aren't day 1 AAA launch titles. It isn't near as bad as it was back in the GTX500 series era at least. I thought the card-per-eye stuff was released now.
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May 24, 2016 22:12
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ColHannibal posted:The 1070 is a hair better, plus the used tax I see the 980tis going from 300-350 as it will be a hard to sell a secondhand card that performs worse for more than a brand new 1070 for $379. Going with a 980 Ti gets you more memory bandwidth though, which I think is a large part of what people perceived as being "better" about the 780 Ti than the 970. The x80 Ti cards have ~330 GB/s of memory bandwidth while the x70 cards are slumming it down around 220 GB/s. The 780 Ti retained its value very well (it still costs more than a 970) but the confounding factor there is that the 780 Ti was a stopgap product to cover until they could get Maxwell out. The 980 Ti was on the market significantly longer and sold like hotcakes. Also, the 780 Ti is still fantastic for single-precision compute, it's basically an upclocked Tesla K40 with 3GB of non-ECC RAM and no FP64, so there's probably a moderate amount of them getting run as CUDA developer machines. I certainly know the OG Titan is still quite in-demand for the same reason. That's not the case for Maxwell. So anyway, we don't really have a good sample size of x80 Ti cards to extrapolate from, but it's not a 100% foregone conclusion that the 980 Ti will drop below the 1070. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 24, 2016 |
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May 24, 2016 22:12
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So I'm guessing one of those ultra factory OC 980ti's like the EVGA Classified or Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming are going to still be faster than the 1070?
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May 24, 2016 22:14
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Ak Gara posted:So I'm guessing one of those ultra factory OC 980ti's like the EVGA Classified or Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming are going to still be faster than the 1070? If you want a 980Ti, just get the cheapest non-blower version from the brand of your choice.
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Rastor posted:It's theoretically a good idea for VR, if AMD and nVidia would hurry up and finish their VR SLI implementations already. NV/AMDs side has been finished for ages, we're waiting on the engines to integrate it now. UE4 and Unity have both committed to supporting it... at some point. Paul MaudDib posted:The x80 Ti cards have ~330 GB/s of memory bandwidth while the x70 cards are slumming it down around 220 GB/s. The 1070 has 256GB/s baseline bandwidth, and if you run with Nvidias claim of 20% better delta compression that's as good as 307GB/s on Maxwell. It's still behind the 980tis 336GB/s, but not by much. repiv fucked around with this message at 22:44 on May 24, 2016 |
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May 24, 2016 22:36
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repiv posted:NV/AMDs side has been finished for ages, we're waiting on the engines to integrate it now. UE4 and Unity have both committed to supporting it... at some point. Get on it Unreal / Unity / others.
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Subjunctive posted:I thought the card-per-eye stuff was released now. Is it out and ready from a driver standpoint, yes. Has anyone started using it yet? Not that I have seen unfortunately. I believe Valve just recently had a Release Note in one of the SteamVR updates that disabled the 2nd card if a user had a MultiGPU system. Games like Elite Dangerous benefited from it a ton with my 780's in Extended Mode, as did Asseto Corsa back then. Direct mode never worked in SLI however and I believe that remains true today still unfortunately. VR SLI was supposed to do the per eye instead of AFR I believe too which would have been neat, but also PCI-E 3.0 X16 is a must as well due to latency between the cards and all. Probably won't see it much at all until the 10XX series takes a good chunk of the market with its SLI Bridge of magic that might fix the SLI Latency that would depend on users having a X79/X99 system to do VR SLI. :/
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EdEddnEddy posted:that would depend on users having a X79/X99 system to do VR SLI. :/
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May 24, 2016 22:58
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I cant wait to see if the new Titan really has 24GB of ram. That's more than my system memory 
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May 24, 2016 23:07
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Make a Ramdisk in your videocard's memory with FosbourneTech's FOS PRO GAMING Z1 RGB Cache
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I was actually a big fan of SLI because every game I wanted to play used it as well as I could have hoped, but I'd never actually choose it over a single card... would be nice if DX12 really fleshed that out and made it a better overall option. Would really open up the field especially during generation changes in GPU's. I do believe a lot of (modern) SLI/crossfire issues are overstated and there's a lot of parroting from some who never actually used it. But all it takes is one game you want to play that fucks it up and poof it sucks lol, and then when the next game doesn't work it really sucks, and so on. If they could get it to a position where most games are able to make use of multiple cards easily I think all the other fiddly issues will fade in importance. All that being said, single card performance improved so much that I hardly even want even theoretically perfect dual GPUs anymore personally, but I see the value in it.
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Maybe production concerns are unfounded? Jen-Hsun Huang had this to say in the impact of Pascal on 2nd quarter earnings. quote:We're expecting a lot of Pascal. Pascal was just announced for [GeForce GTX] 1080 and 1070, and both of those products are in full production. We're in production with Tesla P100, and so all of our Pascal products that we've announced are in full production, so we're expecting a lot. So, if they are expecting a big impact from Pascal with only a month left the quarter, it must be shipping in quantity. He also says the yields at TSMC have been "good".
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DrDork posted:Some of us have X99 systems and would really like to pick up 2x 980Ti's at firesale prices and get the best of all worlds, thanks. Hey my X79 loved it some SLI goodness with PCI-E 3.0 enabled. Though now I may have a problem fitting a 2nd ASUS Strix in there with the PCI-E USB 3.0 card I have in there now for the Oculus. drat ASMedia USB Host. If I could find another Strix for $400 or less and VR SLI starts to pick up steam, I might as well pick one of those up and wait out until Volta and some HBM2 goodness.
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Dammit just saw this on twitter about some new cases coming down the pipe for compact ITX builds. I know one looks like a Mac Pro can, only better since it is fitting a full 1080 in it, that other one thats a horizontal desktop is also pretty neat for various reasons as well. drat I want to build a system out of those.
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:I was actually a big fan of SLI because every game I wanted to play used it as well as I could have hoped, but I'd never actually choose it over a single card... would be nice if DX12 really fleshed that out and made it a better overall option. Would really open up the field especially during generation changes in GPU's. Having run both CF (4870x2) and SLI (GTX295, 2x580) I often feel it gets overstated, too. I actually never noticed stuttering etc., and on games that didn't support SLI, I just ran it on a single GPU and turned down the AA or whatever and completely forgot about it thereafter. I think in all that time I only ran into one or two games that I couldn't play, but I just sold them and moved on. Don't think I'll ever go CF/SLI again but that's more because I'm happier to turn down graphics settings now, and it's looking like, at 1440p anyway, that's not even an issue at all for the generation of cards coming out.
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Bleh Maestro posted:Decent 1070's will probably cost at least $400 if the 1080 is any gauge. Pretty much, even the 900 series weren't too far apart with MSRP - the 980 was $499, 970 came in at $329, so even if other vendors drop to $599-649-ish, you're still possibly looking at the 1070 in the minimum $429-$499 range.
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getting to sli 980ti's for VR may finally be the reason to upgrade my mobo and retire my 2500k
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Fauxtool posted:getting to sli 980ti's for VR may finally be the reason to upgrade my mobo and retire my 2500k I know blah blah theyre still really great etc etc and so on, but you will definitely notice an improvement so look forward to that also wtf is this onmy desktop   edit: lol I had this post up and I was doing something else then came back and tried to drag and minimize the picture and the first thing I thought was "AMD software for 6 fuckin hours and its already pissing me off". Then I felt retarded 5 seconds later penus penus penus fucked around with this message at 01:11 on May 25, 2016 |
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installing amd drivers: always uncheck gaming evolved at least it's not literal loving acid to uninstall once you get it
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Chill out, it's just AMD's counterpart of GeForce Experience.
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The Gaming Evolved app is poo poo not because of the app itself, but because Raptr bought John Mautari to make it's newest incarnation happen, and in the process, made it so he can't do poo poo with Radeonpro anymore, which was the closest we came to a modern ATI Tray Tools successor Not that John isn't some innocent angel either, because he'd rather watch it become abandonware than make it open source, and it's not getting any more compatible with Crimson and newer games
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I guess video cards are getting decent enough to the point I can now just can the idea of building a new system, and buy cheap OEM poo poo boxes to toss something in there without worrying about an external PCI plug. Waiting to see what Pascal/Polaris bring to the table next year for ballers on a budget.
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OK, question: why the gently caress do people care how many PCIe connectors are on the actual card? A string of PCIe aux power plugs still has to go through a single modular connector anyway at the PSU side, it can't be that horrific a bottleneck.
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Paul MaudDib posted:OK, question: why the gently caress do people care how many PCIe connectors are on the actual card? A string of PCIe aux power plugs still has to go through a single modular connector anyway at the PSU side, it can't be that horrific a bottleneck. Like why do people care if it's 6+8 vs 8+8 vs 8+8+8 or something? Other than more is more better, they don't? The point of contention on the 1080 is initial results suggesting that it's power limited when overclocking, hence making AIB cards with extra power phases and higher draw limits potentially beneficial (though bus + 8 pin still gives 225W before breaking spec, which is 25% above the 180W a 1080 is spec'ed for, so who knows whether it's honestly a board-design/power draw issue or just a locked vbios or what). Maybe I just don't understand your question.
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Paul MaudDib posted:OK, question: why the gently caress do people care how many PCIe connectors are on the actual card? A string of PCIe aux power plugs still has to go through a single modular connector anyway at the PSU side, it can't be that horrific a bottleneck. People care most about the fact that the 1080 throttles due to power limits. It seems like there are two problems, one being that the power delivery components on the board itself can't accept enough power, and the other being that it's getting near the 225W limit that one connector gives you. Trying to pull more from a single power lead would be out of spec and it'd be the card's fault for drawing too much if the cables melted. Some PSUs only have one PCIe connector at the end of each cable and those are only specced for 75W, some come with two but say to use two separate cables if the card draws a lot of power (like my high end Seasonic, though they mean that if it's drawing close to 300W you should use two separate cables). There's no spec for the modular connectors on a PSU, but there is for PCIe power cables.
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On the other end its also just a way to brag. Certainly it affects people in a practical way but in the end it just shows off the efficiency of the card In this particular case though its a hot button issue because it is likely limiting overclocking performance as said above. But as was said earlier, it is the preferable bottleneck to have on a reference card since it all but guarantees that aftermarkets will do better. This is opposed to say the oc being chip limited But yes it has little to nothing to do with actual power cable availability or anything like that for the masses edit: btw I wasn't truly complaining about the AMD thing, its just a very sudden shift for me lol penus penus penus fucked around with this message at 05:29 on May 25, 2016 |
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That's what I don't understand. Nvidia: Hi here's our Founders Edition 1080, it's got a single 8 pin, can't suck enough power to OC, and the blower fan isn't capable of cooling the card even at stock frequencies, and we're gonna charge $100 over non FE cards, but don't worry we'll sell this card FOREVER! AIB: 
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True and I dont like the "founders edition" card at all, but, in the end, just dont buy one unless you dont care about these things lol. Adding another 100 to the price tag just really solidifies the stance most people have had with reference cards thus far. If they need to run at 100% fan speed to not throttle (at OC speeds anyway, I have my doubts throttling to 500 mhz is nothing more than a pre release bug) then it will be hilarious because of how 290 blowers were. But the key difference here is that this is not a inherently hot card by all accounts, so, its not an issue we will see on others.
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:On the other end its also just a way to brag. Certainly it affects people in a practical way but in the end it just shows off the efficiency of the card Did you just switch? Also I think part of the PCI connectors thing is that inexplicably large population who would rather pay more for less card than replace the psu that's limiting them and threatening their entire system.
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Ak Gara posted:That's what I don't understand.
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Just to be clear, the 1080 is going to dominate. I just think it could be ~better~
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Ak Gara posted:That's what I don't understand.
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