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CapnAndy posted:I liked Rebirth, but I don't understand why I was told to read JL 50 or Superman 52 first. 
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SeannieDarko posted:We're probably enemies too cuz I hate Cyborg and his being in the League at the expense of Martian Manhunter. He's a Titan dammit! Are there people who like Cyborg?
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May 26, 2016 21:47
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Jack of Hearts posted:Are there people who like Cyborg? Sup
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May 26, 2016 22:02
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Jack of Hearts posted:Are there people who like Cyborg? He's not my favorite or anything but he's fine.
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May 26, 2016 22:03
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Jack of Hearts posted:Are there people who like Cyborg? I don't mind him.
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May 26, 2016 22:06
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JoshTheStampede posted:It wasn't "you have to read these to understand Rebirth" it was "Rebirth spoils these so if you are going to read them, read them first"
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May 26, 2016 22:11
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Well it's gonna have dozens of speedsters in it so if there's a way to introduce flash family members that's part of it. Please let it be Rorschach
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May 26, 2016 22:12
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Jack of Hearts posted:Are there people who like Cyborg? There are people that are indifferent to him at best. Anyone that says they like him is a liar.
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May 26, 2016 22:21
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It would be cool if Wally's mentor is Max Mercury. Did he even show up in the new 52?
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May 26, 2016 22:22
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JoshTheStampede posted:He's not my favorite or anything but he's fine. Mr Hootington posted:I don't mind him. To be clear, I didn't mean to assert that surely everyone hates Cyborg, just that he's not very interesting, and that I don't understand why people would actively like him for the character that he is. To me he's a guy, who's a cyborg, who happens to be there in a bunch of panels. Whatever. The most recent Hark! A Vagrant comic, dealing with tit windows, linked to this, which actually made me think about the character other than a guy who just shows up. The essay is ideological and exaggerates its case somewhat, but, uh, yeah.
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May 26, 2016 22:27
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John Yossarian posted:It would be cool if Wally's mentor is Max Mercury. Did he even show up in the new 52? None of the Flash family have shown up aside from Barry and Iris in the New 52. Very explicitly for the same reason practically none of them showed up after Flash Rebirth -- not being Barry Allen was a sin for the last 7 years.
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May 26, 2016 22:28
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Cyborg sucks and I'd rather have Martian Manhunter or Plastic Man with the JL. They keep trying to shove loving Cyborg in, and it just would be better with anyone really.
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May 26, 2016 22:28
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White Lightning: Making America and DC Comics great again!
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May 26, 2016 22:32
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Two Tone Shoes posted:None of the Flash family have shown up aside from Barry and Iris in the New 52. Very explicitly for the same reason practically none of them showed up after Flash Rebirth -- not being Barry Allen was a sin for the last 7 years. Well Barry is both Humanity's Savior and History's Greatest Monster, so he's a tough act to follow and precede and follow again.
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May 26, 2016 22:36
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I liked Cyborg in the Teen Titans cartoon. Does that count?
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May 26, 2016 22:56
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No. Cartoons made Hawkgirl a decent character. An actual Hawk person. Cartoons can work miracles.
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May 26, 2016 22:59
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X-O posted:No. Cartoons made Hawkgirl a decent character. An actual Hawk person. Cartoons can work miracles. See also Mike Mignola design of a silly character Mr. Freeze and giving him a tragic background.
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May 26, 2016 23:01
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I understand trying to elevate Cyborg to the Justice League as both a Titans graduation thing and to make the League more diverse, but he really isn't that interesting as a character. There's a pretty good article about it here. I'm not sure I agree with all of his points but there's some relevant stuff in there regardless.
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May 26, 2016 23:05
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X-O posted:No. Cartoons made Hawkgirl a decent character. An actual Hawk person. Cartoons can work miracles. So what you're saying is that DC should sack everyone and put Timm and Dini in charge. Is there a petition somewhere or...?
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May 26, 2016 23:08
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Android Blues posted:There's a pretty good article about it here.
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May 26, 2016 23:10
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Android Blues posted:I understand trying to elevate Cyborg to the Justice League as both a Titans graduation thing and to make the League more diverse, but he really isn't that interesting as a character. There's a pretty good article about it here. I'm not sure I agree with all of his points but there's some relevant stuff in there regardless. It's not a Titan graduation thing. It's a "from the beginning" thing. And there's several other good characters you can put into the Justice League to diversify them. John Stewart or Mister Terrific immediately jump to mind. And Mister Terrific also fills the exact same tech niche that Cyborg fills.
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May 26, 2016 23:11
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Squizzle posted:To distinguish the two Kid Flashes named Wally West, I propose referring to red suit Wally as "White Lightning". Grandmaster Flash
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May 26, 2016 23:11
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Android Blues posted:I understand trying to elevate Cyborg to the Justice League as both a Titans graduation thing and to make the League more diverse, but he really isn't that interesting as a character. There's a pretty good article about it here. I'm not sure I agree with all of his points but there's some relevant stuff in there regardless. The part where he starts talking about how it's okay for Cyborg to be around Wonder Woman because he doesn't have a penis was enough for me. Jesus Christ that is some absurd and grotesque reaching.
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May 26, 2016 23:12
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Isn't Thanks Mister Black Guy on Earth-2 now or something? Or, wait, I remember him showing up in futures end, but I forgot after that.
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May 26, 2016 23:13
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X-O posted:It's not a Titan graduation thing. It's a "from the beginning" thing. And there's several other good characters you can put into the Justice League to diversify them. John Stewart or Mister Terrific immediately jump to mind. And Mister Terrific also fills the exact same tech niche that Cyborg fills. Mr Terrific is a million times cooler than Cyborg, yeah. Stewart would have been too but that would have meant replacing Hal Jordan and they wouldn't do that.
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May 26, 2016 23:13
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Jack of Hearts posted:So what you're saying is that DC should sack everyone and put Timm and Dini in charge. Is there a petition somewhere or...? I am deeply ashamed. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 23:37 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 23:14
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I'm doing more reading on Rebirth since my knowledge of the DC Universe is fragmented at best. Why do we have two Teen Titans books both led by Bat Kids and why are neither of them led by Tim Drake? Which book will he be in? Is he back to being Robin while Damian is leading the Teen Titans? How is Nightwing not Secret Agent Man anymore again?That last one I may have already been told.Two Tone Shoes posted:None of the Flash family have shown up aside from Barry and Iris in the New 52. Very explicitly for the same reason practically none of them showed up after Flash Rebirth -- not being Barry Allen was a sin for the last 7 years. Hell, not being Barry Allen was punishable by being written out of reality.
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May 26, 2016 23:23
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Edge & Christian posted:So you want another Countdown to Infinite Crisis then? Countdown to Infinite Crisis was OK, inasmuch as Blue Beetle went out like a boss, and the loss of Blue Beetle kicked off a really great arc for Booster Gold. But I don't see either of those guys listed as the authors or editors, so I don't get it.
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May 26, 2016 23:24
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Jack of Hearts posted:Countdown to Infinite Crisis was OK, inasmuch as Blue Beetle went out like a boss, and the loss of Blue Beetle kicked off a really great arc for Booster Gold. But I don't see either of those guys listed as the authors or editors, so I don't get it. He means Countdown to Final Crisis (typically referred to as just Countdown, including by his own articles on the subject, because that's what it was called for over half its run).
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May 26, 2016 23:28
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X-O posted:No. Cartoons made Hawkgirl a decent character. An actual Hawk person. Cartoons can work miracles. Ostrander did it first in his awesome Hawkworld series. Jack of Hearts posted:So what you're saying is that DC should sack everyone and put Timm and Dini in charge. Is there a petition somewhere or...? Nope. It means time travel to late 80s/early 90s and kidnap Ostrander and get him to write everything. Android Blues posted:I understand trying to elevate Cyborg to the Justice League as both a Titans graduation thing and to make the League more diverse, but he really isn't that interesting as a character. There's a pretty good article about it here. I'm not sure I agree with all of his points but there's some relevant stuff in there regardless. Pretty much everything here made my head hurt. Something about because DC is a big company they shouldn't have black characters and by not having black characters DC is being true to their evil white roots?
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May 26, 2016 23:32
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SonicRulez posted:I'm doing more reading on Rebirth since my knowledge of the DC Universe is fragmented at best. Why do we have two Teen Titans books both led by Bat Kids and why are neither of them led by Tim Drake? Which book will he be in? Is he back to being Robin while Damian is leading the Teen Titans? How is Nightwing not Secret Agent Man anymore again?That last one I may have already been told. Tim Drake is Red Robin, and is in Detective Comics with the rest of the bat-family (making delicious cheeseburgers). Dick is Nightwing again because he "remembered" there was an original Titans team that was mindwiped to protect them in what is basically the plot of the book It.
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May 26, 2016 23:41
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SonicRulez posted:I'm doing more reading on Rebirth since my knowledge of the DC Universe is fragmented at best. Why do we have two Teen Titans books both led by Bat Kids and why are neither of them led by Tim Drake? Which book will he be in? Is he back to being Robin while Damian is leading the Teen Titans? How is Nightwing not Secret Agent Man anymore again?That last one I may have already been told. They're technically not both TEEN Titans, plus it's DC, and they'll never stop trying to make you care about Silver Age books you've never read, but one guy in the editorial office really loves. Tim is still Red Robin, in a less silly outfit, and will be in Detective Comics, as part of a team of rookie Bat-heroes led by Batman and Batwoman. Damian is still Robin. Nightwing, I believe, finished his secret agent double-agent job, and the evil spy group collapsed, but they used their secret spy tech to erase his identity from people's minds, so he can be Nightwing again.
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May 26, 2016 23:42
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Madkal posted:Pretty much everything here made my head hurt. Something about because DC is a big company they shouldn't have black characters and by not having black characters DC is being true to their evil white roots? I think the idea was that their minority characters should count for something, which Cyborg doesn't, because he's a boring nonentity. JLU John Stewart is great, Jaime Reyes is principally great, Mr. Terrific has a cool premise. DC, essentially, doesn't have to be as white as it is, but its attempts at outreach have historically been bad. See: Cyborg.
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Having two Titans books at once is actually how the DCU worked for a long time before the Nu52 reboot so the simple fact that we're getting the twentysomethings Titans and the younger trainee Teen Titans is actually pretty  for me.
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Dan Abnett is exclusive for DC now. So good news for Marvel.
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May 27, 2016 00:25
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, see, that should have been clearer.
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Aside from Animal Man, Swamp Thing, and Demon Knights I really did not care for or stay up to date with the New 52. I love Wally and the stuff with him in Rebirth was great. Him and Barry talking got me. I really loved John's JSA and Flash, but pretty much everything after that seemed like he'd run out of ideas. Rucka's old run on Wonder Woman was fantastic, so I think that's the only series I'll for sure follow at this point. New 52 questions: Why is there a Green Lantern with a gun? Was Pandora related to Zealot? I google'd it, but it was mostly just people asking the same thing from 3-4 years ago. I'm guessing it might just be Jim Lee being lazy as far as design as I know he had a hand in WildCATS. Rebirth question: Is there going to be a JSA ongoing out of this? I don't see mention of it anywhere, but maybe I missed it.
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Simon carries a gun because he comes from a criminal background and it makes him feel more confident and thus makes his ring work better. Yes it's dumb.
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RusteJuxx posted:New 52 questions: It's a side-piece, basically. GL rings can run out and don't always work right. Best have a gun just in case.
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Gaz-L posted:They're technically not both TEEN Titans, plus it's DC, and they'll never stop trying to make you care about Silver Age books you've never read, but one guy in the editorial office really loves. Tim got put on the team of rookies and Damian gets to be on the Teen Titans? No wonder that kid has middle child syndrome so hard.
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