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While I liked this finale better than Flashes, I kinda miss Arrow that had lots of tricks beyond punch someone and hit someone with a bow. You know, the Arrow that fought Flash to a standstill by fighting dirty as gently caress. Also, if the new season has this Felicity and the rest of the team is gone, I am loving out.
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boom boom boom posted:They really need to establish why Star City is worth saving. I mean, right now it seems like the only things that make it unique are the giant craters left behind from super villain plots. Big Belly Burger though they haven't showed that place for a couple of seasons now, have they? Maybe that's why it's been so awful.
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May 26, 2016 13:44
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Ouhei posted:I'm actually surprised we didn't really get any tease as to what is happening next season at all, I mean we've got Ollie being mayor with everyone scattered about, but there was no hint as to the big bad or anything. I think the blank slate the finale left is with might end up being refreshing, especially if next season is confirmed as the final one. A lot of shows manage to dig themselves out of their ruts when they have a definite end date. This is the first show that I've ever kept up with from the first episode, so I feel kind of obligated to finish it out. I certainly don't hate it, but it almost feels like an abusive relationship at this point 
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May 26, 2016 13:47
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Dahrk was a good villain but they meandered all over the place on a coherent plot. Still going to watch next season but I hope the writers spend some time just hashing out some details to keep things coherent.
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May 26, 2016 14:09
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One of the things that annoyed me about this, was something they did in the Flash final as well: they KNOW that their enemy has a specific weakness, but they don't use it because tension. In Flash, they know sonics are effective against speedsters, and they even have a dude on their team that specializes in that poo poo, but they don't bother using it. In Arrow, they know Darhk doesn't have an impenetrable magic force field around himself. He has to actively see and stop the incoming attacks. Instead of leaving John behind, maybe Ollie should've brought him along with a sniper rifle with a plan to lure him out into the street. Quit running at the guy head on, dammit! I also laughed during the final fracas with Ollie just getting his rear end handed to him, while weapon-wielding, rioting citizens just ran right past them.
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May 26, 2016 14:27
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10 Beers posted:One of the things that annoyed me about this, was something they did in the Flash final as well: they KNOW that their enemy has a specific weakness, but they don't use it because tension. If you want a show with smart characters using their weapons and powers effectively then watch Agents of SHIELD. It's amazing to me that Flash and Arrow get so much more attention when they're so incredibly childish in comparison.
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May 26, 2016 15:25
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lol what, SHIELD is gutter trash even by the low standards of the current CW superhero slate.Oracle posted:Hope, not love. In that crowd's case, hoping that Oliver would kick Darhk's rear end and make him suffer, but hey, beggars can't be choosers. God this show is just bad anymore. Amell seems like a genuinely good guy and I hope his movie career takes off because I can't see a season six. Hahaha, I had a good laugh at that "moral" too. They could have at least thrown us a bone and had Ollie make a spirit bomb Arrow of Hope to vaporize THE DARHKNESS. I also like Amell and hope he moves on to better things after this. He's like one of the few people I follow on Facebook because he seems like a good and down-to-earth dude. But I don't think I can hang in there for another season of Arrow.
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May 26, 2016 15:36
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CW superhero shows are dance musicals.They hire a lot of glee actors and dancers like caty lotz for such purpose.
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May 26, 2016 15:37
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raditts posted:lol what, SHIELD is gutter trash even by the low standards of the current CW superhero slate. If you only watched AoS before they caught up with Captain America The Winter Soldier, yes. Otherwise it's so much better than Flash/Arrow that you can barely even compare between them. Smart characters, little to no relationship bullshit, plot that never stops moving, no ridiculous agonizing over killing some guy that is actively trying to kill you. It's no Daredevil or Jessica Jones but at least you don't constantly feel like you're watching a show made for children.
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May 26, 2016 15:52
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The only thing the Winter Soldier tie in did was take it from "total poo poo" to "mostly poo poo." I watched up to season 3 where they were battling Sonic the Hedgehog with their powers of "holding their hands out and expelling tv-quality special effects" before I bailed, and the only highlight of the series was that one episode where Sam Jackson showed up and spent the entire time chewing scenery while acting circles around the main cast. If anything the SHIELD characters manage to be even stupider than the ones in Flash / Arrow, the entire plot of season 2 was driven by how loving stupid they all were.
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May 26, 2016 16:10
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Senjuro posted:If you only watched AoS before they caught up with Captain America The Winter Soldier, yes. Otherwise it's so much better than Flash/Arrow that you can barely even compare between them. My fiance and I are kinda interested in AoS. At what point does it get good? Halfway through Season 1, or starting Season 2?
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May 26, 2016 16:14
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10 Beers posted:My fiance and I are kinda interested in AoS. At what point does it get good? Halfway through Season 1, or starting Season 2? In my opinion, it gets watchable halfway through season 1. Some people say that's when it gets good. They're wrong, that's when it gets watchable. There's peaks of good scattered around the end of season 1 and in season 2, but the show as a whole never gets good.
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May 26, 2016 16:20
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I don't think any TV character can be dumber than Oliver "I will risk my life to save the mass murderer Malcolm Merlyn because if he died then it would hurt the feelings of his daughter who he constantly abuses" Queen or Barry "I'll hold up my end of the bargain and give the mass murderer Zoom all my powers even though he has no leverage over me anymore" Allen.10 Beers posted:My fiance and I are kinda interested in AoS. At what point does it get good? Halfway through Season 1, or starting Season 2? You have to suffer until season 1 episode 17. Maybe watch The Winter Soldier right before that. After that it's a whole different show. Senjuro fucked around with this message at 16:26 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 16:23
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10 Beers posted:My fiance and I are kinda interested in AoS. At what point does it get good? Halfway through Season 1, or starting Season 2? It starts getting better around episode 10 or so, but the real turning point is 16.
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May 26, 2016 16:38
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I couldn't stop laughing when Oliver jumped on the car, yelled, "LISTEN TO ME," and they all loving STOPPED and listened to him, like the mob from The Simpsons Movie. Vancouver needed Stephen Amell during the Stanley Cup Riots: https://youtu.be/D8MZwMzs9rA
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May 26, 2016 17:38
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10 Beers posted:My fiance and I are kinda interested in AoS. At what point does it get good? Halfway through Season 1, or starting Season 2? I don't think it was ever really bad, it just suffered from having to tread water till the events of winter soldier, and also from having lots of breaks between episodes. It's much better if you can binge watch it, and a lot of stuff in season one gets better retrospectively. Starting late in season one takes a lot of the impact out of a thing that happens too. I say watch the whole thing.
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May 26, 2016 17:43
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Agents of SHIELD is great, so much better than the Marvel movies even. Id like to know what superhero TV shows you're watching that make AOS look like 'mostly trash'
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May 26, 2016 17:56
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CornHolio posted:Agents of SHIELD is great, so much better than the Marvel movies even. Id like to know what superhero TV shows you're watching that make AOS look like 'mostly trash' Seriously, it's so good. Like, the characters are actually logical and cool spy poo poo happens all the time. How can anyone not like it just because the first half of the first season was rocky, and yet sit through two seasons of this and barely complain? VV I said "rocky," not bad. It was clear that they were setting up multiple plotlines and that just made the second half of the season that much more worth it, imo. With Arrow and Flash, characters do insanely stupid and contrived things to create drama and stretch the plot for 20+ episodes. In AoS, the characters actually grow and act like adults. ApeHawk fucked around with this message at 19:55 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 19:30
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Am I the only one who actually enjoyed the beginning of the first season of AoS? I don't see why it's "the worst thing ever" maybe it was a little slow but to skip it like most recommend? It's like saying skip the first season of Fringe or Babylon 5 because it's slow, or maybe skip the dialogue parts in RPGs. skip to episode 17: "oh hey, some guy just apparently turned on the gang who I have not invested in at all. I was both surprised and emotionally impacted by this scene." edit: sure runaway dog fucked around with this message at 20:20 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 19:50
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:Am I the only one who actually enjoyed the beginning of the first season of AoS? I don't see why it's "the worst thing ever" maybe it was a little slow but to skip it like most recommend? It's like saying skip the first season of Fringe or Babylon 5 because it's slow, or maybe skip the dialogue parts in RPGs. Might want to spoiler that. You definitely shouldn't skip right to 17, it might not be very enjoyable to watch the whole thing but it's important to set up the characters before poo poo gets crazy.
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10 Beers posted:My fiance and I are kinda interested in AoS. At what point does it get good? Halfway through Season 1, or starting Season 2? I think it starts awful, gets okay somewhere in season 2 and ended up as a very interesting show in season 3. It has great action scenes, some well written episodes (some bad lows too, but the quality of the show as a whole seems to be stabilizing), and even if they don't always succeed the writers look like they're actively trying to incorporate people's powers into the events that happen in the show. I think it starts with a very confusing direction but it's as of >now< what I expected from the original premise. Agents in a supernatural world doing agent things with/against superheroes/villains. More importantly, the average quality of the show is going up rather than down.
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May 26, 2016 22:02
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CornHolio posted:Agents of SHIELD is great, so much better than the Marvel movies even. Id like to know what superhero TV shows you're watching that make AOS look like 'mostly trash' Fair point, if you only watch broadcast superhero TV shows, I bet Agents of Shield is a treat! Unfortunately, I watch other TV shows, and using them as a point of comparison I can say that Arrow, the Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and Agents of Shield are all bad TV shows.
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May 26, 2016 22:47
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boom boom boom posted:Fair point, if you only watch broadcast superhero TV shows, I bet Agents of Shield is a treat! Everything sucks if you compare it to The Wire. AoS is fine for what it is. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece to be enjoyable.
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May 26, 2016 22:58
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Senjuro posted:Everything sucks if you compare it to The Wire. AoS is fine for what it is. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece to be enjoyable. Agents of Shield is mediocre compared to Burn Notice
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May 26, 2016 23:02
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boom boom boom posted:Agents of Shield is mediocre compared to Burn Notice Hahahahahaha
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May 26, 2016 23:37
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raditts posted:lol what, SHIELD is gutter trash even by the low standards of the current CW superhero slate. You are 100% wrong here, opinion or not this is just straight up incorrect on every level.
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May 26, 2016 23:47
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raditts posted:The only thing the Winter Soldier tie in did was take it from "total poo poo" to "mostly poo poo." I watched up to season 3 where they were battling Sonic the Hedgehog I hate you. Now I have to watch it.
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May 26, 2016 23:56
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So uh, remember when Guggenheim and Amell kept touting that season 4 was "going to be lighter in tone" and not as grim and dark as season 3???
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May 27, 2016 00:25
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Scyantific posted:So uh, remember when Guggenheim and Amell kept touting that season 4 was "going to be lighter in tone" and not as grim and dark as season 3??? Everyone seems pretty happy a day after nuking a city... see not as Grimdarhhhhk!
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May 27, 2016 00:31
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boom boom boom posted:Agents of Shield is mediocre compared to Burn Notice I have seen every episode of Burn Notice and can with confidence say that you are an imbecile. I enjoyed Burn Notice, but Agents of Shield is generally much better as an enjoyable piece of programming. Although it could definitely use some Bruce Campbell.
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May 27, 2016 01:05
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CornHolio posted:I have seen every episode of Burn Notice and can with confidence say that you are an imbecile. Well, Marvel can use Spider-Man again, so maybe we'll see Dickish Theater Ticket Agent pop back up again.
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bring back old gbs posted:You are 100% wrong here, opinion or not this is just straight up incorrect on every level. Nope, shield is a garbage rear end tv show driven by stupid relationship drama and characters being ultra retarded to drive the plot and villains that are lame as poo poo, just like the cw dregs. Like the idea that people on shield act intelligently in any situation is loving hilarious
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raditts posted:Nope, shield is a garbage rear end tv show driven by stupid relationship drama and characters being ultra retarded to drive the plot and villains that are lame as poo poo, just like the cw dregs. Cool collection of wrong opinions, keep em coming. EDIT: ur still invited to my birthday fyi bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 01:46 on May 27, 2016 |
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I'm just now watching this most recent episode. The quick/sloppy editing from the prison episode is pretty apparent this time too. "Curtis, you just gave a rousing speech about tenacity" .5 seconds later oliver jumps on a car talking about how a friend once told him about tenacity, the crowd immediately listens to him, and somehow he is being broadcast on the radio. .5 seconds later he is back in the lair, where nobody even moved with the city wide riots being solved. And it's a really good thing the HIVE Ghosts decided to pull a "Dark Knight Rises" by being sportsman and not bring their dozens of automatic weapons to the big street fight. It's also a good thing they all gave up when Damien Dahrke got stabbed. Within 30 seconds of the bad guy getting stabbed characters start launching into speeches about how they are moving on. Are they making this up week to week and coming up with solutions to the plot threads at the last minute? Because it seems like they just drag poo poo out way too long, then resolve it way too fast. I'll forgive lovely writing and boring plots if they don't take 16 hours to setup up and get resolved in miliseconds. Xelkelvos posted:I love that it's nighttime when Dahrk takes the laptop and reenables the nukes again (I think) and then it's suddenly daytime for the one launched from Colorado (and heading east?) when Ollie makes his speech and Lance and Donna are driving out of town (which looks exactly like the same area where their second leaving town shot is) and when the nuke is taken out. At that point, there's only about an hour left and come 15 minutes until all of the others impact (and not at staggered intervals like the one aimed at Star City?) it's the middle of the night. Exactly. And Oliver talking to the crowd at night would have made much more sense continuity wise, because if you ignore the "two hour" deadline from the missiles it looks like they were launched the night before, oliver comes out around 10 in the morning and gives a rousing speech, and then later that night after 6-8 hours the crowd shows up? Do they never go home? Have they been inspired and motivated this entire time? If so then what the gently caress were they doing all day? It doesn't matter because this all apparently happened in less than two hours. Is this where someone tells me it was a stylistic choice between the "conflicted light and dark" message of this season that Oliver's motivational speech was depicted as daytime in the light, but the rest of the time was portrayed as night time in the darkness. Fat Shat Sings fucked around with this message at 02:10 on May 27, 2016 |
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Also, the crowd scene had the dad that Ollie and Dig put in zipties last episode at the front of it, it looks like.
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bring back old gbs posted:Oh yeah I forgot about Dhark's mercenary crew, they kept popping into scenes like they were the foot clan or something. Also the plot was saving the entire world from nukes? really? I couldn't give a gently caress about any of that, they don't have the budget to do it right, and since when are these world saving heroes? The entire scope just seemed unnecessarily large. I keep hoping they can get back to season 1 levels of action and pacing but that's just never going to happen. The stakes of this finale were just silly, an earthquake machine seemed like more of a threat years ago. I'm imagining a conversation between Felicity and Cisco. Felicity: We just saved the entire world from fifteen thousand nuclear missiles! Cisco: Hmph. We just saved the entire multiverse. 
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TyrantWD posted:Season 3 was far better than this. It was stupid, but not devoid of any logic like Season 4 has been. Oliver Queen is not even the star of his own show anymore. Felicity went from tech support girl to CEO of a multi-billion dollar tech company, to almost single handedly saving the world from a nuclear apocalypse. Remember how stupid it was when Felicity used her tablet to hack into the leagues fighter jet last season? Now she hacked into a nuke that was flying right at her. Last week she redirected a nuke onto a smaller town and let tens of thousands of people die when she has Barry Allen on speed dial. The first half of Season 3 was pretty decent. Coming off of the heights of Season 2, it started a bit slowly, but did quite well and climaxed during the first Oliver-Ra's fight. The problem is that it crashed hard immediately afterwards. Season 4 was the exact opposite: compared to the lows of Season 3, it felt convincingly good (see thread title) but at the aggregate ended up being far worse than Season 3 thanks to the utterly nonsensical writing and horrible Oliver-Felicity drama.
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enraged_camel posted:I'm imagining a conversation between Felicity and Cisco. It's kind of amazing how high the stakes were in both finales but how unimportant they both felt.
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TyrantWD posted:Flash has its fan service, Arrow season 3 had its moments like Oliver vs. Ras part 1, but season 4 had nothing. Counterpoint, Season 4 had bee-man fight. Yeah, season 4 was hot smelly garbage.
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This article about super hero movie tropes is appropriate: http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/superhero-movie-cliches-to-retire/quote:Countless superhero movies, especially in the past decade, have ended with the heroes having to thwart a bad guy pointing a giant laser thingy at Earth: to suck its power, to terraform it (Man of Steel), to plunge it into darkness so that it can be ruled by Dark Elves (Thor: The Dark World), etc. I suspect this came about as a consequence of the fallacy that “bigger stakes = bigger drama!” Superhero movies kept trying to top each other, with evil plans that got bigger and bigger, until it wasn’t just the Earth being threatened, but “the very fabric of reality” (The Dark World again, which, actually, works great as parody).
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