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I was under the impression Azami was in charge of all that stuff since he was presumably Erina's legal guardian at the time as he hadn't been kicked out of the house yet.
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May 27, 2016 04:43
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Give old man Senzaemon a break. His schedule was probably always packed to the brim with foodie concerns, so he couldn't keep tabs with what his shithead son-in-law was planning for his granddaughter. Besides, ~anime~
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May 27, 2016 04:59
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Kyte posted:You appear to be assuming a lot. Senzaimon was aware that Erina was working. Senzaimon directly benefited from that work. Senzaimon had the ability to cancel that work for at least one day. Senzaimon did cancel Erina's work for one day, but for his own sake. Senzaimon did not tell Erina that her work was cancelled. Senzaimon told her she should take a break, but did not make her despite it being well within his ability to do so. Sure, he probably didn't know Erina was miserable all the time and hated being a professional food taster. The dude wasn't deliberately trying to hurt her. Again, neglect doesn't require malice. But we know that he didn't mind a child being put to work, and didn't think about said child when he cancelled her work for his own reasons.
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May 27, 2016 05:09
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If you've got anime parents, you're more than likely hosed, sadly. Them's the breaks.Wark Say posted:Give old man Senzaemon a break. His schedule was probably always packed to the brim with foodie concerns, so he couldn't keep tabs with what his shithead son-in-law was planning for his granddaughter. Besides, ~anime~ Whoa, that's a powerful Lum av.
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May 27, 2016 05:09
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Once again dude, he didn't cancel her work, because he was surprised it was cancelled. He merely cleared his own schedule.
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May 27, 2016 05:44
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What do you mean he didn't tell Erina her work was cancelled when she was the one that said her work was cancelled
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May 27, 2016 05:46
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If you guys are so fond of grandparental abuse in a cooking manga, may I suggest IRON WOK JAN? Featuring INTENSE WOK ACTION.  Even INTENSE WOK ACTION ON TOP OF A SWORD. And LIVE FISH HUGGING.   Also some GOOD OLD FASHIONED BEATDOWNS from a CANCER RIDDLED GRANDPA. 
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May 27, 2016 06:01
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Somehow I knew that was gonna come up, thank you for not letting me down Zepia
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May 27, 2016 06:02
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And if that's not your thing here is some HOT OSTRICH ON HUMAN ACTION. He cooked up her dog and fed it to her. You won't BELIEVE what happened after! 
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May 27, 2016 06:03
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Compendium posted:Somehow I knew that was gonna come up, thank you for not letting me down Zepia I will never hesitate to bring Iron Wok Jan up in the hopes that one day, English scans for the manga will appear online so everyone can enjoy the world's greatest cooking manga.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Senzaimon was aware that Erina was working. Erina's day off and grandpa asking if she wanted to stop were different days. Minor thing, but worth nothing. More importanty, you're assuming he was the one that cleared her schedule. But this makes no sense. This would imply he deliberately lied to her by both pretending to not know why she had nothing to do and inventing a fake set of circumstances regarding the cancellation (otherwise she'd've said something like "you cancelled them" or such). That would be definitely malicious, which contradicts everything we know about him (and how he's portrayed). It also plays against his own interests, because if people are busy with Erina then they're not busy with him, which is what he wants at Saiba's request. And of course, if Azami's not kicked out then it's obvious that he's still Erina's legal guardian and therefore in charge of her education and whatnot. You're also assuming grandpa's the one that gets all the benefits and prestige from Erina's work and where the hell did that come from. Kyte fucked around with this message at 06:29 on May 27, 2016 |
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http://readms.com/r/shokugeki_no_souma/168/3430/11 Senzaemon cancelled all the appointments so Saiga could come cook for him. He asked Erina why she wasn't working, even. I would think that he was being coy and wanted Erina to have some of Saiga's cooking, but she wandered in on her own. Cancelling all of Erina's appointments so that she could have a nice meal would be a very nice thing to do. Only, he didn't tell her she had the day off, didn't invite her for a meal and even asked her to leave. That is a bit too far even if he is terminally tsundere.
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Yeah I came here to post that same thing. You win this one. I still don't think it's nearly as bad as you paint it tho. Kyte fucked around with this message at 07:52 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 07:49
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Man, I just do not care about any of this Erina stuff. Where the heck is Megumi.
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Also, I don't really understand the business plan for having a child eat garbage and criticize chefs all day every day, but either someone was profiting from it or they were making Erina miserable for no reason. Senzaemon was the head of the family and we have already seen what Azami's idea of gourmet training was. So, the jolly old man who likes to get naked remains the most likely cause for Erina's terrible childhood. She is still doing that food tasting thing, and may have been doing it for her whole life up to and following Azami's abusive training.
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Kyte posted:Yeah I came here to post that same thing. You win this one. It wouldn't be if not for that one scene of Senzaemon being so drat weird. He was so close to being a very nice grandpa in that flashback, but then he either forgot or pretended to forget about Erina.
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May 27, 2016 07:58
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They just built her up like the world's top food critic (which she is). At no point the story ever gave credit for Erina's work on anybody but Erina herself. I figure that they saw her amazing ability and realized she had the potential to be something great so they groomed her to achieved it, but nobody really quite realized the implications of having the ability to find flaws nobody else could. And that's not surprising at all, for reasons that should be obvious.Serious Frolicking posted:It wouldn't be if not for that one scene of Senzaemon being so drat weird. He was so close to being a very nice grandpa in that flashback, but then he either forgot or pretended to forget about Erina. I just took it as "friend of granddaddy came to visit please go play in your room", which is something that happens all over the world all the time. Especially when you're, like paragon1 put it, filthy stinking rich and have somewhere to send the children. Kyte fucked around with this message at 08:06 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 08:03
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I really don't think he consciously cancelled all her appointments. Saiba says that he'd "clear all waiting", and the old man probably just told his assistant to clear everything, with the unintended consequence of canceling Erina's stuff. Not arguing that he's not being a kinda lovely parent/grandparent, but it's really not as nefarious as its being made out itt. E: remember, this is mangastream, so it may all be about a lovely TL, too.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I really don't think he consciously cancelled all her appointments. True. If his lines during the scene with Saiga were different that might make all the difference.
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or maybe he just isn't the greatest person? he is known as the demon king of the food mafia.
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I don't give a heck about the plight of "Meh"rina.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Anyway i'm a bit disappointed Soma is going to restore Erina's faith in cooking rather than Alice even though they have more of a relationship. Although, I guess it's a good thing to have Erina accept Soma's cooking now rather than keep it as a thing for another arc or two. Since it's already been a thing for too long and Erina's become a much nicer and cooler person so it's sort of unnecessary right now. I really don't want another few chapters on a Soma dish though. Other people need some good cooking focus. This is pretty much supposed to be the big turning point in Soma and Erina's relationship, so it kinda has to be him. I'm expecting something like they work together to try and recreate the dish she ate that day, and while Soma ultimately comes up short it's the thought that counts and Erina is touched. They make it a regular thing and Soma starts to enjoy cooking for Erina in particular, and then one day he gets good enough that he matches/exceeds what his dad made that day and blah blah blah Saiba is in the background going all "JUST AS PLANNED".
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BlitzBlast posted:This is pretty much supposed to be the big turning point in Soma and Erina's relationship, so it kinda has to be him. It's this, with Soma knowing more of Jouichirou's common-man stylings than his gourmet features that is what makes the first few dishes weak.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Senzaimon was just as willing as Azami to exploit a child for that god's tongue silliness. The only adult who treated her well during her childhood was some guy she met once who made her a tasty meal. It is no wonder she became fixated on him. I mean, Senzeamon has to know about Soma at this point so I can only guess its part of his Master Eugenist plan. Also, you would think that if Erina has detailed memories of this period in time, Soma would remember his dad being named "Saiba." Although I guess its possible he just went back to using the name just for Erina for.....some reason? Serious Frolicking posted:She wandered in on her own and Senzaimon tried to send her away. Like, the dude didn't even bother to tell her that her appointments for the day were cancelled. He cancelled them because he wanted some privacy and didn't give a Erina a second thought. 
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May 27, 2016 17:25
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"Dammit Saiba, I'm trying to be subtle about this!"
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RareAcumen posted:Whoa, that's a powerful Lum av. A top-tier waifu deserves a Powerful AV, ese. 
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MonsieurChoc posted:"Dammit Saiba, I'm trying to be subtle about this!" The Saiba/Yukihira men are known non-givers of fucks.
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This is approaching peak levels of anime plot convolution here. There's basically no reason for Senzaemon to let her have her childhood destroyed by her father just so he can play like a ten year long con because his son and Jouichirou were the same sex and couldn't make the perfect food baby he wanted. Unless of course there's some kind of social custom that prevents grandparents from intervening when the parents are abusing their children.
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Eej posted:This is approaching peak levels of anime plot convolution here. There's basically no reason for Senzaemon to let her have her childhood destroyed by her father just so he can play like a ten year long con because his son and Jouichirou were the same sex and couldn't make the perfect food baby he wanted. Unless of course there's some kind of social custom that prevents grandparents from intervening when the parents are abusing their children. IT'S ALL GOING ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU, JUST YOU WAIT
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Serious Frolicking posted:Also, I don't really understand the business plan for having a child eat garbage and criticize chefs all day every day, but either someone was profiting from it or they were making Erina miserable for no reason. Senzaemon was the head of the family and we have already seen what Azami's idea of gourmet training was. So, the jolly old man who likes to get naked remains the most likely cause for Erina's terrible childhood. She is still doing that food tasting thing, and may have been doing it for her whole life up to and following Azami's abusive training. I wouldn't say that they were making Erina miserable for no reason. Erina just has exceptionally high standards and as she was growing up it was nigh impossible for her family to find cooks who could make anything she was able to accept. Hell she rejected her mother's breast milk and the Nakiri family had to hire a horde of chefs to make baby food that was acceptable for her. If her clients were outright bad chefs they wouldn't be going to her. They're some of the best chefs in the world, it's just that even they can't satisfy her incredibly refined palate.
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Eej posted:This is approaching peak levels of anime plot convolution here. There's basically no reason for Senzaemon to let her have her childhood destroyed by her father just so he can play like a ten year long con because his son and Jouichirou were the same sex and couldn't make the perfect food baby he wanted. Unless of course there's some kind of social custom that prevents grandparents from intervening when the parents are abusing their children. I mean its pretty clear that Senzu's entire thing is trying to mastermind making Erina into a normal person through back-channel means rather than directly taking part in her rearing. He specifically says that's what he wants, but then he asks Soma to do the job instead of doing it himself. I mean, the Erina-Soma shipping thing is just a joke, but it seems pretty clear he's all about the long con "just as planned" stuff with regards to raising Erina to be a normal, happy person who likes food.
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So he's trying to be a good grandparent but is just too dojikko to do it?
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The best thing Azami ever did was cut Alice's contact with Erina. Look at how good a character she turned out to be because of it!
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Angry Grimace posted:I mean its pretty clear that Senzu's entire thing is trying to mastermind making Erina into a normal person through back-channel means rather than directly taking part in her rearing. He specifically says that's what he wants, but then he asks Soma to do the job instead of doing it himself. Which is really messed up if you think about it for more than one second because he could've just intervened way before Azami's poo poo got out of hand and spared a young girl years of torture.
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i'm pretty sure everyone was ok with the making her taste test dishes, it's the weird brainwashing poo poo that azami did that got him booted and i doubt everyone know about that for years.
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I mean its kind of weird no one did a sit down on one of Azami's training sessions for the all important Food Princess, if only to take notes. Or I guess one could make the pretty dark assumption that plenty of people totally knew about what was going on and didn't say anything. Also: Having everything you eat taste like poo poo sounds like the worst sort of hell.
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erina is like one of those picky eaters who only eat fries and hotdogs
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May 28, 2016 00:25
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Davincie posted:erina is like one of those picky eaters who only eat fries and hotdogs The fact that she thinks everything she's ever ate except this one dish she had when she was 10 is probably what you would call "picky", yes.
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