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RBA Starblade posted:You had to do that twelve times in one game per enemy for it to happen. It's not really that big a deal unless you're actively trying to do it.
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geop posted:No spoilers for Dark Souls II allowed! This also means NO SPOILER TAGS. If you've gotta discuss something, go to the Games thread for it! Why are people so bad about not talking about things 
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May 27, 2016 19:41
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I think this game looks very pretty.
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May 27, 2016 19:41
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Maelaevi posted:In my day we had to walk ten miles to school, uphill both ways!  details.To be more serious, all of the changes you mention were either neutral or for the best. The DS2 animations were actually mo-capped, so complaining that they look weird is a bit ironic. As for the color? The game looks drat pretty for a late entry to the 7th console generation, runs at 60 fps on my PC with everything turned up, and isn't quite as muddy as DS1. (I dunno about Demon's Souls, but it seems like they got by on account of polishing up downscaled textures such as on faces and equipment.) Plus your last (spoilery) complaint only really triggers in some corner cases, such as if DS2 is your first entry to the series.
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May 27, 2016 19:58
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Suspicious Dish posted:I think this game looks very pretty. I think about half looks amazing and the other half looks really cartoony. Like, the firebombs are comically large and float through the air. Some of the colors are way oversaturated. But then there's other parts of the game that are amazingly atmospheric and I love them. It feels like two different lead artists worked on it.
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May 27, 2016 20:05
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Maelaevi posted:Its the only souls game that I have never played after beating and the only one that I did not buy the DLC for it. I haven't got to any of the DLC content myself, but according to just about everyone the DLC is once again the best part of the game. I'm planning to use geop's progress to force myself to push forward in my own SotFS playthrough to stay ahead of him. Random fanart: 
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May 27, 2016 21:46
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NGDBSS posted:The DS2 animations were actually mo-capped, so complaining that they look weird is a bit ironic. What the hell did they give to the mo-cap people on firebomb day? They struggle like they are shot-putting medicine balls.
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May 27, 2016 22:02
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Maelaevi posted:I forgot how much I hate this game. From the walking animations to the way it looks and the colors they decided to use, I hate it all. It just looks like poo poo. Maybe it is just because it's different but I hate it. I didn't like how the enemies disappear if you kill them enough times. Back in my day when there were only two souls games out there you had to get better at beating the enemies. In this game the game just turns babby mode on if you suck enough. Also, it punishes you for adventuring and exploring the areas. Exploration in these games usually invovles going through an area multiple times and killing all the enemies along the way. In this game if you do that enough times the game just takes the gameplay part out of it. You end up exploring empty areas and it makes it feel more like a game and not a real environment. Not that these games are known for their realism but you know what I mean. Its the only souls game that I have never played after beating and the only one that I did not buy the DLC for it. I really really dislike this game and the more I watch this LP the more I'm reminded of how much hatred I have towards it. I'll still watch you guys since hatred is the only thing I can still feel. I hope you get well soon
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May 27, 2016 22:03
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I actually like that enemies will stop spawning, it gives people like me who are bad at the game a reprieve when they die a lot and have to go through the same area over and over. It happened for me a couple times already.
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May 27, 2016 22:06
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NGDBSS posted:The DS2 animations were actually mo-capped, so complaining that they look weird is a bit ironic. Is ironic the right word for that? Anyway, I do think some of the animations are weird, mo-capped or not. Like, what happened on the day they mo-capped the sprinting animation? DS3 was a step back for the sorcery casting animations, though. For players, at least, they went back to the stupid "raise staff, shoot blue out of hand instead of staff" animations from DS1 instead of the more dynamic ones from DS2. Though one sorcery-using boss does get a couple of the DS2 animations, the bastard. 100 HOGS AGREE posted:I actually like that spoilered thing, it gives people like me who are bad at the game a reprieve when they die a lot and have to go through the same area over and over. I'd like it better if it didn't punish you for trying to farm randomly-dropped gear. I know there are ways around it, but for some players those ways just make things harder when all they wanted was a cool piece of armor that was a rare drop. Harrow fucked around with this message at 22:09 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 22:07
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anything that keeps people from farming is a good thing
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Harrow posted:I'd like it better if it didn't punish you for trying to farm randomly-dropped gear. I know there are ways around it, but for some players those ways just make things harder when all they wanted was a cool piece of armor that was a rare drop. Oh yeah. There are some especially egregious examples as well; some armour drops from enemies that don't appear anywhere normally, while some other enemies only appear *once* per game and also have a rare drop rate. It's loving infuriating, even with the "way around it" that has been hinted at but not explicitly stated. Arrhythmia posted:anything that keeps people from farming is a good thing If you mean "Here is some stuff you don't have to farm for" then yes. If you mean "It's totally okay that the game puts up arbitrary brick walls to your ability to farm cool stuff you want" then no. MGlBlaze fucked around with this message at 22:19 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 22:17
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 I practiced a lot after this session on these enemy types and stuff, just to nip any backseat-driving in the bud.
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MGlBlaze posted:If you mean "It's totally okay that the game puts up arbitrary brick walls to your ability to farm cool stuff you want" then no. actually, yes it is
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May 27, 2016 23:02
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Ah, the ballista room. Specifically the three extra hollows on the ballistas joining in on the fun resulting in having a group of four guys on you all at once, as Geop himself found out. Get used to that, Dark Souls 2 loves to throw a whole bunch of dudes at you at once for difficulty's sake. Also the halberd guy at the 58 second mark managing to hit you even though it looked like you were out of range; those are the hitboxes you'll be dealing with in Dark Souls 2. That is also something you should probably get used to. Oh, and shortly after that encounter with the ballista group. The fall didn't damage the halberd guy at all but removed almost half of Goonther's health. Dark Souls 2, everybody.  The spear hollow soldiers specifically are also rather misleading. When they're doing various attacks it isn't actually visually obvious that they are in fact still blocking with their shield because their posture is so messed up. There is also one attack in particular I remember where they lift their shield up and seem to open themselves, but the game still counts them as blocking. This got me killed a lot, and it seems to have tripped Geop up a bit too. Oh, also, the trapped chests. I am not a fan of their inclusion. Though sadly enough, that is one of the less offensive additions to Dark Souls 2. MGlBlaze fucked around with this message at 23:59 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 23:43
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Yeah, I think the difficulty 'cleverness' is as tough in Forest of Fallen Giants as it is anywhere. I still can't take it for granted when I play through it.
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May 28, 2016 00:11
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YouTube gave me the real Dark Souls experience by looping the first 2 minutes worth of audio over whole video. Not sure what happened and it's fixed itself now, but I definitely felt like I was there.
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Arrhythmia posted:actually, yes it is Could you elaborate? Because to me that's the game just slapping you across the face.
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May 28, 2016 00:27
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This is where I discovered that chests could break. It didn't react to the first hit, but I was so sure it had to be a mimic with a high pain tolerance.
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May 28, 2016 00:27
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Surely From Software wouldn't make a game where the very first chest you come across is a mimic?
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May 28, 2016 00:32
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Trapped chests are a good idea and they should have brought them back for Dark Souls 3 instead of removing them AND removing regular chests. Everything's just a mimic.
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May 28, 2016 00:47
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May 28, 2016 00:50
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This series always seems to have problems with hearing enemies through walls and thinking you're getting attacked. 3 is the worst though, I was convinced there was a horrible monster in the hub area the whole game, but it's just a lovely dog outside. Also yikes you got caught in a nasty death spiral there. I think I did too the first playthrough, those guys are just a bit weird sometimes and it can really throw you off. I hope one of you just told Geop about the secret in the ballista basement, because I'm hosed if I have any clue how you're supposed to work it out. It's great though, wish it wasn't a one-off.
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May 28, 2016 01:35
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When he opened the chest I was like "NONONONO!!!" Then I laughed.
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May 28, 2016 01:36
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Goonthur is all like:
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MGlBlaze posted:Could you elaborate? Because to me that's the game just slapping you across the face. You seem to think most of the things that the game does is slapping you across the face, so of course you'd have that perspective on it. Sharing how much you think this game sucks is pretty tiring imo and you should stop doing it
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If it were just about making it harder to grind for titanite/souls/other "GET HUGE" items, sure I guess. But adding extra steps when looking for fashion articles? That is definitely a major faux-pas. 
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Arrhythmia posted:actually, yes it is You realize that if an enemy has a chance to drop an item, there are always going to be people who are going to try and farm whatever item that is, right? Trying to have random drops but also get rid of farming is like trying to have your cake and eat it too; you're just making the life of some of the playerbase much harder than others. Either you put random drops in the game or you make it so that you don't need to farm.
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May 28, 2016 03:10
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I forgot what surprise the chest had. 
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:I think about half looks amazing and the other half looks really cartoony. Like, the firebombs are comically large and float through the air. Some of the colors are way oversaturated. But then there's other parts of the game that are amazingly atmospheric and I love them. It feels like two different lead artists worked on it. That's perhaps the only thing that bothers me in this game is that the game's art direction is not as solid as the DS1, BB, or DS3's. While there are some neat designs here and there, some of the areas and bosses come off as being generic. Whamukars fucked around with this message at 04:31 on May 29, 2016 |
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More thoughts on the forest of fallen giants being a tutorial area - but not to teach you about game mechanics, instead to teach you situational awareness and all about the different ways you can get hosed over by traps and ambushes. Note the three hollows right outside the shortcut: this one's there to make you pay attention to enemy cones of vision. The firebomb guy looks like an immediate threat but is actually only watching the rampart, so if you stay in the lowest area he (probably) won't aggro. Peek around the corner and you see two hollows, but don't assume the closest one will aggro first: he's watching the bottom of the stairs, whereas sword bastard is a little further away but looking right at you. Immediately following that we get a narrow archway followed by the courtyard with two guys chilling in the middle of a bunch of gunpowder barrels trying to lure you in, which makes you learn the hard way about being aware of the limitations of your own cone of vision. And the other path has two rooms in a row where if you don't have a think about what you can see in the room before charging in (bunch of loving ballistas pointed at the doorway, suspicious chest in big room bereft of everything but bloodstains) you're going to have a bad time. Or at least: try luring it out, and then try rolling. About game mechanics, though, the hollowing HP reduction is so much nastier at this stage in the game. Even though it's a percentage of max HP, it still feels like a bigger deal when your max HP is low even when human. Human effigies also feel like a rare resource early-game as well, even if they do tend to accumulate at a relatively generous rate. Come to think of it, it could just be a perception thing, like the size of the health bar messing with how things feel to me.
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Mighty Dicktron posted:You seem to think most of the things that the game does is slapping you across the face, so of course you'd have that perspective on it. Okay, noted. Though that didn't provide any elaboration on Arrhythmia's viewpoint whatsoever.  Also I contend that I also share why I think the game sucks. "I think this is bad and here is why" provides a lot more to discuss than simply "This is bad" with no qualifying statements. Evidently that doesn't really change how you feel (And I'm sure at least one other person in this thread said they had a deep anger for this game too) but eeh, how you feel is how you feel. MGlBlaze fucked around with this message at 03:48 on May 28, 2016 |
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VerdantSquire posted:You realize that if an enemy has a chance to drop an item, there are always going to be people who are going to try and farm whatever item that is, right? Trying to have random drops but also get rid of farming is like trying to have your cake and eat it too; you're just making the life of some of the playerbase much harder than others. No. Having methods to discourage farming is just that; methods to discourage that playstyle. The obsession over getting every possible item (even if some are absolutely worth making an effort to get) is irrelevant. The mechanic evidently is designed with intent to discourage farming. Whether it is successful, effective, or needed is another matter.
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That is kind of the thing. Personally I feel like that particular "farm discouragement" method is none of those three things in addition to being pretty obnoxious. Not successful because it's treated as yet another hoop to jump through, not effective for the same reason, and not needed because item drop rates for certain things are already low and take time anyway. And it's primarily a PvE game with PvP elements in its own meta where not having access to stuff just kinda gets in the way of various playstyles. Especially for people who like to dabble in Fashion Souls.
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Whamukars posted:That's perhaps the only thing that bothers me in this game is that the game's art direction is not as solid as the DS1, BB, or DS3's. While there are some neat designs here and there, some it of the areas and bosses come off as being generic.
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anilEhilated posted:Yeah, if I had to choose one word to describe this game's art direction, it'd be "schizophrenic". I'll probably bitch about it a bit more when we reach the areas where it's more obvious. I actually hadn't thought of the art direction all that much. I do know a common point of criticism was many of the boss designs being generic, but outside of that I can't seem to grasp at anything else in particular other than some stuff I already said about Heide's Tower of Flame that we still need to go back to.
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SynthOrange posted:I forgot what surprise the chest had. On the topic of farming, I can only think of perhaps a few pieces of equipment that are actually onerous to farm in this game. But all of them show up in ways such that you won't even know they exist unless you've already heard about them or otherwise do something obscure, so it's basically a wash. (In fact Scholar shuffled around a few things such that many items which previously dropped at random now have guaranteed drops instead.) Crazy Achmed posted:More thoughts on the forest of fallen giants being a tutorial area - but not to teach you about game mechanics, instead to teach you situational awareness and all about the different ways you can get hosed over by traps and ambushes. Note the three hollows right outside the shortcut: this one's there to make you pay attention to enemy cones of vision. The firebomb guy looks like an immediate threat but is actually only watching the rampart, so if you stay in the lowest area he (probably) won't aggro. Peek around the corner and you see two hollows, but don't assume the closest one will aggro first: he's watching the bottom of the stairs, whereas sword bastard is a little further away but looking right at you.
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Yep, dodging into the right spots to avoid the trap chest crossbow bolts is a bit of an iffy prospect. However, if you have a decent shield, you can just use your shield to take all of the bolts with no problem.  You know, I was kinda indecisive about it before but the trapped chests are actually interesting. Chances are they'll kill you at least once in the process of learning they exist, but after that they do give you enough time after opening them to get out of dodge. Though actually figuring out how to deal with trapped chests is its own process that takes more or less time depending on the individual, which is fine. As for the "funnelling" thing. I see what you mean but... honestly I feel like that ended up happening more because the enemy's pathing got confused more than actually being deliberately designed. It's kind of hard to tell at some points. But how they ended up coming out of that hole in the wall one at a time giving Geop enough time to deal with them before the next showed up ended up being rather convenient. MGlBlaze fucked around with this message at 04:09 on May 28, 2016 |
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