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Mr Interweb posted:Can someone clarify something for me, pls? Being the head of the state dept doesn't give privilege to ignore procedure and info security in the federal government. The rules for info security and the procedures for handling classified or sensitive material are not handwavable unless you want to get federal charges. (Or are established enough that noone in your hierarchy blows the whistle on you)
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She didn't use it to purposefully send or receive classified information.
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May 27, 2016 23:53
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Stereotype posted:She didn't use it to purposefully send or receive classified information. And a NYT article can count as containing classified information.
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May 27, 2016 23:56
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Stereotype posted:She didn't use it to purposefully send or receive classified information. That's a burden of proof I'll leave to the IG and FBI instead of speculating.
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May 28, 2016 00:07
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Joementum posted:Nope. She didn't. Joe Joe Joe You of all people should know by now that Facts Don't Matter.
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May 28, 2016 00:07
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Grognan posted:That's a burden of proof I'll leave to the IG and FBI instead of speculating. Is this counting stuff that wasn't classified at the time but was retroactively declared to have been classified?
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May 28, 2016 00:09
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Trabisnikof posted:And a NYT article can count as containing classified information. I received weather reports in the Army at one point that were marked as classified. There is Real poo poo that is very strictly controlled (and emailing it over public networks would be Real Bad For Real), but "classified" can also pertain to all kinds of trivia that's publicly available information that just got indiscriminately labeled by some random loving rear end in a top hat at some point.
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sean10mm posted:"classified" can also pertain to all kinds of trivia that's publicly available information that just got indiscriminately labeled by some random loving rear end in a top hat at some point. When you give small people a way to feel self-important, they'll use it.
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May 28, 2016 00:12
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citybeatnik posted:Is this counting stuff that wasn't classified at the time but was retroactively declared to have been classified? poo poo probably got reeeeeeaaallll complicated once an investigation started and someone is going to be making decisions of this nature. Also here's an article written about the Nevada state convention that might be interesting to read. https://www.newsreview.com/reno/newsview/blogs#BlogPost-20963634
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Grognan posted:That's a burden of proof I'll leave to the IG and FBI instead of speculating. Yeah you're right until the FBI weighs in I'll just assume she had all the classified information on her own personal server and is guilty. GUILTY *pounds gavel*
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May 28, 2016 00:13
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Trabisnikof posted:And a NYT article can count as containing classified information. I haven't been paying much attention to this in the slightest I'll admit, but how much of it's been actual classified secret/top secret/whatever and how much of it's just been sensitive but unclassified? The whole clearance system is hosed anyway as others have said. There's been a slow movement to streamline what each agency considers releasable and what's not. Grognan posted:poo poo probably got reeeeeeaaallll complicated once an investigation started and someone is going to be making decisions of this nature. And I'm sure that it'll be handled in a fair and impartial manne-BWAHAHAHAHAHA wait no it's an election year and it involves a Clinton, who am I joking.
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May 28, 2016 00:16
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Y'all best be careful about spreading rumors and 1/4 truths about the Grand Abuela. She'll have her people Vince Foster you.
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May 28, 2016 00:22
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DemeaninDemon posted:Y'all best be careful about spreading rumors and 1/4 truths about the Grand Abuela. She'll have her people Vince McMahon you. ...Is that the right Vince?
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May 28, 2016 00:25
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ecureuilmatrix posted:...Is that the right Vince? some of the word filters are still around!
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ecureuilmatrix posted:...Is that the right Vince? Word filter you own. Who knows Hilldogg might have something to do with that Vince being bat poo poo crazy.
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ecureuilmatrix posted:...Is that the right Vince? Someone's going to be met by a folding chair in a dark alley now.
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One thing that makes it crazy is that she received quite a few emails about wikileaks and articles that referred to information from wikileaks. When wikileaks dumps classified information, that info stays classified. If someone uses an unclassified computer to email an article that contains part of a wikileaks cable, that would constitute a breach.
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Classification exists only so Cabinet-level officials can act in a manner that poo poo gets public only when they want it Classification really didn't matter at the Cabinet level
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DemeaninDemon posted:Who knows Hilldogg might have something to do with that Vince being bat poo poo crazy. 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:you can tell who works for a democratic super pac by their massive erections Goddamn that's good. Prester Jane posted:Prestor J Man, I can tell your posts from a mile away. Never stop, they're always great.
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May 28, 2016 03:02
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citybeatnik posted:Is this counting stuff that wasn't classified at the time but was retroactively declared to have been classified? The other thing that gets brushed aside often is the fact that it was not illegal for her to have that server at the time. Later on the rules were changed so it was no longer allowed, but when she was SoS it was not against the rules.
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May 28, 2016 03:10
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DemeaninDemon posted:Those fish can eat corn like true Americans. Catfish, the most American fish. 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Catfish, the most American fish. Disgusting, fatty bottom feeder? Fried catfish owns though.
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Normally I give Mr. Interweb the benefit of the doubt but this thread has a really bad trend lately of: "So guys about those emails..." Do you see any indictments you clowns?
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The big thing that still worries me about this election is how Trump has made it so acceptable to openly hate and attack Muslims, because I know the kind of people who will go after them are going to feel empowered to do the same poo poo to black people and jews again, and probably hispanic and gay people now too. Aliquid posted:i hope you know that you've always been a good and thoughtful poster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HBbK4flJR8
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RuanGacho posted:Normally I give Mr. Interweb the benefit of the doubt but this thread has a really bad trend lately of: Honestly I love how people treat something about as serious as "used too many paper clips from the office supply closet" as some horrible crime.
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May 28, 2016 03:39
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RuanGacho posted:Do you see any indictments you clowns? Any day now! Just you wait!
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fishmech posted:Honestly I love how people treat something about as serious as "used too many paper clips from the office supply closet" as some horrible crime. Stealing from your employer is a heinous crime against the free market, fish.
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The Atlantic interviewed an early 20s Silicon Valley Libertarian about why he supports Trump. It's a depressing read as you would expect: http://theatln.tc/1sTpGkX
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DemeaninDemon posted:Stealing from your employer is a heinous crime against the free market, fish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIXz_vzROrw
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RuanGacho posted:Normally I give Mr. Interweb the benefit of the doubt but this thread has a really bad trend lately of: Whoa, hold your horses. I ain't one of the $hillary folk. All my questions so far about emailghazi have just been seeking clarification. In fact, that most recent post of mine was implying how bizarre it is for a department chief like her to have to ask her department for permission. I've never thought of this "scandal" as anything particularly interesting, and nothing's changed on that front. Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 03:54 on May 28, 2016 |
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May 28, 2016 03:48
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Any day now! Just you wait! As I said earlier, this is the overhyped bullshit scandal that will get the Clintons after like 20 years of bullshit and blowjobs failed.
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RuanGacho posted:Normally I give Mr. Interweb the benefit of the doubt but this thread has a really bad trend lately of: But FN has been talking about it a whole lot 
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Mr Interweb posted:Whoa, hold your horses. I ain't one of the $hillary folk. All my questions so far about emailghazi have just been seeking clarification. In fact, that most recent post of mine was implying how bizarre it is for a department chief like her to have to ask her department for permission. Which is why I normally give you the benefit of the doubt. Government IT is such a goddamn mess in general, I don't really want to crack that egg right now but it's convenient that the only funding IT gets is when it's to find terrorists.
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mrfishstick posted:The Atlantic interviewed an early 20s Silicon Valley Libertarian about why he supports Trump. It's a depressing read as you would expect: quote:Killing terrorist family members has been something I've wondered about for a long time. While the idea seems horrible initially, Killing Libertarians has been something I've wondered about for a long time. While the idea seems horrible initially, wait, no it doesn't.
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mrfishstick posted:The Atlantic interviewed an early 20s Silicon Valley Libertarian about why he supports Trump. It's a depressing read as you would expect: "People unfairly call me intolerant just for wanting to keep Muslims from entering the country! Can they not see that it is they who are the real intolerant ones for not tolerating my totally legitimate opinion!" 
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I dont support war crimes, but
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A Bag of Milk posted:Killing Libertarians has been something I've wondered about for a long time. While the idea seems horrible initially, wait, no it doesn't. It is horrible, Labor camps are a better way, it gives them a chance to reform, and appreciate their lives and being part of a greater whole.
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Ghetto Prince posted:The big thing that still worries me about this election is how Trump has made it so acceptable to openly hate and attack Muslims, because I know the kind of people who will go after them are going to feel empowered to do the same poo poo to black people and jews again, and probably hispanic and gay people now too. This is literally a huge part of why native non-Muslim minorities are pushing back hard against Trumpism.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:This is literally a huge part of why native non-Muslim minorities are pushing back hard against Trumpism. Antisemitism? In the followers of Trump? But their candidate was endorsed by Sheldon Adelson and the Republican Jewish Coalition!
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