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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Anyone getting intermittent slowdown and audio glitches in dwarf tactical battles specifically? I didn't have this issue until the dwarf campaign.

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NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

DO IT TO IT posted:

Can someone tell me what exactly a "stack" is?

It comes from old school grognard wargaming where units were represented by little square cardboard chits. A big army or division would be a literal stack of chits on the table.

Helion
Apr 28, 2008

Ghetto Prince posted:

I've been reading through some of the backstory for the empire and it's loving insane. My favorite part so far is the bit where 75% of the population was killed by an invasion of rat people.

Oh, those rat people are totally coming, my friend. Do some reading on the Skaven, arguably the coolest part of Warhammer.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Helion posted:

Oh, those rat people are totally coming, my friend. Do some reading on the Skaven, arguably the coolest part of Warhammer.

There is no such thing as 'skaven'. Such seditious rumormongering and alarmism should be soundly punished.

George Rouncewell
Jul 20, 2007

You think that's illegal? Heh, watch this.
Just killed both Kholek and Archaon in a single battle.

Hokey religions and magical swords are no match for several batteries of cannon at your side.

lilspooky
Mar 21, 2006

madmac posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skFKNudZuWM

Sigvald speeches are certainly a thing.

This is great but his voice needs to be one or two octaves higher.

wearing a lampshade
Mar 6, 2013

Loving this game so far. My dwarf campaign is 70 turns in or so and I'm just wrapping up the orks to the south. Border princes + Empire are my buds, and the closest dwarves to the north of me are keeping the vcs occupied while I haven't declared war yet.
My only flaw is that I've hosed up my main settlement chains and haven't reached slayers yet even, let alone cannons. Strictly giant stacks of quarrellers and miners because I'm cheap.

Fire Barrel
Mar 28, 2010
In spite of my best efforts, I just can't seem to command the Empire consistently well. I seem to get bogged down extremely quickly and certain units just have my number, like chaos chariots or chaos hounds. Seem to have the most problems with chaos,. Orcs and dwarfs are usually manageable enough, and i normally can maneuver around them to pepper their backsides with gunfire. Same with dwarfs. VCs, if I'm not getting caught up on fodder units, I usually can counter pretty well also. I'm not sure if I have too much melee infantry, not enough cav, or what, but Chaos really is a thorn in my side at the moment. I do sort of like the fact, though, that it's more complicated to counter armies in this one than previous entries. I never had these sorts of issues in Shogun 2, or really any of the subsequent games. I'm thinking I probably need more ranged and better usage of heroes/mages.

And , generally speaking, the only times I've had economy issues are after confederating.

Luminous Cow
Nov 2, 2007

Well you know there should be no law
on people that want to smoke a little dope.
Well you know it's good for your head
And it relax your body don't you know.

:420:
Is everyone playing on hard or something? I haven't had these epic huge battles you guys are talking about.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

This is a good post, by the time I realized I could use some allies and trading partners as the undead everyone already hated my guts and I had to fight on 3 fronts trying to catch marching raiders in my land.

It seems like having NPC allies is a huge help in the campaign so long as the AI can attack from marching stance.

How did you get them to become vassals? crush their armies first?

Vassalization typically requires reducing them to one settlement and destroying all their armies, yeah. Possibly also sacking the settlement first.

Also, I just discovered the most hilarious thing. If you manage to critically assassinate the leader of a Chaos warband the entire warband instantly disbands. What's more, they respawn regularly up north in the Chaos Wastes. So you can sit a bunch of banshee's up there and just power level them into murder machines. Kislev loves me now because they withstood like six stacks of chaos and tribe warriors due to me making half of them disappear in one turn.

It also might explain why so many agents get ridiculous in the late game.

It's also helpful since the constant waves of chaos assaults inevitably end up decimating the north. And Chaos and the tribes seem to enjoy loving up the counts once they get done with everyone north of you. I have a bunch of agents up north just sewing havoc at the moment and the tribes don't know what the gently caress.


Edit: Also I had no idea about this but if you're near famous battle sites as the Vampire Counts you can use raise dead to get some really nice units real quick. I've got crypt ghouls and black knights on the one i'm looking at right now. Along with a lot of basic units.

Archonex fucked around with this message at 04:40 on May 28, 2016

Pigbottom
Sep 23, 2007

Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time.
How exactly are you guys using the ambush stance? After hours playing chicken with the drat chaos warriors, I'm really not looking forward to to the second wave. Thats just stupid and boring. :argh:

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Sky Shadowing posted:

Yeah, one of my favorite memories of Total War was when I had 6 full stacks of Roman troops in R:TW (the original) besieging a settlement, and just looking at the tens of thousands of guys I had simultaneously hitting a city.

And that wasn't even good ai.

The best part about Rome 1 was that the AI didn't react to artillery.

You could just Onager them all day until your ammo ran out, then use your free-respawning war dogs to finish them off.

Fire Barrel
Mar 28, 2010

Pigbottom posted:

How exactly are you guys using the ambush stance? After hours playing chicken with the drat chaos warriors, I'm really not looking forward to to the second wave. Thats just stupid and boring. :argh:

I use it defensively more or less. Placing an ambush stack on the borders can sometimes bait an army into marching on through. Then again, I'm not so hot at TWW, so this might not be the optimal way to do it. Works for me though!

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Just lost my Chaos campaign.

Curse you Sarthorael the Everwatcher!!! :argh:

Random Asshole
Nov 8, 2010

gently caress you "allies", stop laying siege to places for 10+ turns without actually attacking, all you are doing is blocking me from actually defeating them with my 2 demigryph doomstacks. Either poo poo or get off the pot!

Why is there no "End War With..." Diplomacy option?

Random Asshole fucked around with this message at 05:28 on May 28, 2016

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
How the gently caress are you supposed to get started as Dwarves? On turn 7 Grimgor just rolled in with 2500 units and there was absolutely nothing I could do. Campaign over.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Mechafunkzilla posted:

How the gently caress are you supposed to get started as Dwarves? On turn 7 Grimgor just rolled in with 2500 units and there was absolutely nothing I could do.

It happens sometimes.

Restart and try again.

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


Is there some way to view the F1 screen/manual stuff out of game somewhere?

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Mechafunkzilla posted:

How the gently caress are you supposed to get started as Dwarves? On turn 7 Grimgor just rolled in with 2500 units and there was absolutely nothing I could do. Campaign over.

You likely could defeat him by placing your army in Karaz-a-Karak and fighting him off in a defensive siege battle.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Mechafunkzilla posted:

How the gently caress are you supposed to get started as Dwarves? On turn 7 Grimgor just rolled in with 2500 units and there was absolutely nothing I could do. Campaign over.

I had that happen in my very first game. It was quite a :stonklol: moment, so I started again and made it to turn 50 before realizing the dumb dwarves I allied with had started wars with literally everyone around us and they all hated me just for being their pals and I ended up losing that war of attrition.

Now Im trying the slow and steady method as VC. Working well so far, even got a few human places to trade with me, which is great because I plan to sacrifice them to the first big bad that rolls through then sweep in and claim all their poo poo.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Furnaceface posted:

I had that happen in my very first game. It was quite a :stonklol: moment, so I started again and made it to turn 50 before realizing the dumb dwarves I allied with had started wars with literally everyone around us and they all hated me just for being their pals and I ended up losing that war of attrition.

Now Im trying the slow and steady method as VC. Working well so far, even got a few human places to trade with me, which is great because I plan to sacrifice them to the first big bad that rolls through then sweep in and claim all their poo poo.

Never Ally with Barak Var.

They are huge assholes who start wars all the time.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Furnaceface posted:

I had that happen in my very first game. It was quite a :stonklol: moment, so I started again and made it to turn 50 before realizing the dumb dwarves I allied with had started wars with literally everyone around us and they all hated me just for being their pals and I ended up losing that war of attrition.

Now Im trying the slow and steady method as VC. Working well so far, even got a few human places to trade with me, which is great because I plan to sacrifice them to the first big bad that rolls through then sweep in and claim all their poo poo.

Er, are Dwarves and Greenskins not at war by default?

Gaj
Apr 30, 2006
48 hours until I reach civilization and am able to play this wonderful game. How exactly does Orc settlement management work? Im kinda suprised they cant go full nomad mode and that is instead a Chaos scheme. As an Orc should I just capture 1-2 regions and then just burn down-vassalize the rest?

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal
I think it's incredibly stupid the awakened northmen tribes don't start as vassals and are instead military alliances when you play as Chaos, because else you have to murder them anyway for your victory conditions.

Magni
Apr 29, 2009

Fire Barrel posted:

What do people recommend for Empire artillery? I seem to have the best luck with mortors, but against chaos or large greenskin stacks, I think I need something to help out my infantry. Might also try blending more cav into the mix as well.

Well, short summary for em all:
Mortar: Basic anti-crowd. Good vs masses of lightly armored targets.
Greatcannon: Anti-monster/character sniper, also useful vs cavalry. Kinda eh vs big infanry blobs though.
Helfire Rockets: Like mortars, but overall better. Less accurrate, but way more shots flying at the target. Fucks with blobs something fierce. Hilarious if you cna get the +AP damage banner.
Helblaster Volley Gun: Kinda underwhelming from what I've seen them do. they can do some nice damage, but not reliably and the range is underwhelming.
Luminark of Hysh: A loving magical sniper cannon. On ultra-size units, I've seen it one-shot single Chaos Trolls. Pinpoint accurate, but limited range and slow RoF. Mounted on a heightened plattform, so it can reliably fire over your infantry even on flat ground. Also gives all units near it a damage resistance bonus. Good for parking right behind your main line and sniping out high-value targets while shielding the troops.
Steam Tank: A single, slightly buffed Greatcannon. Also, a stema cannon that can do some neat damage up close and it's all inside a superheavy chariot/monster that will stomp most infantry and cavalry in melee.

Overall, if you can afford to get rockets, mortars are redundant. Cannons end to be a mainstay for most of the campaign and even by the end remain in second-line armies - cannonball to the face is how the Empire deals with big nasties and enemy champions. Crossbows and Handgunners plus one rocket battery can thin out swarms well enough and cannonfire is great at countering monsters and characters. I kinda gave up on Helblasters, but the Luminark is actually pretty rad and Steam Tanks are borderline OP.

Magni fucked around with this message at 05:40 on May 28, 2016

Helion
Apr 28, 2008

The Lone Badger posted:

There is no such thing as 'skaven'. Such seditious rumormongering and alarmism should be soundly punished.

Hey, I love the weird "no such thing as Skaven" bit as much as the next guy, but I feel like once you have an Emperor literally known as Manfred Skaven-Slayer, the rat is out of the bag, so to speak.

Broguts
Oct 16, 2014

Helion posted:

Hey, I love the weird "no such thing as Skaven" bit as much as the next guy, but I feel like once you have an Emperor literally known as Manfred Skaven-Slayer, the rat is out of the bag, so to speak.

Manfred whosit whasit? The only emperor I know is our living lord Karl Franz!

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

I'm guessing new races would be introduced with scenario campaigns? Like MTWII's kingdoms. It would be neat if instead they slowly added more and more to the world map, but that's a pipe dream unless this game was the new GTA. Looking forward to fighting Clan Pestilens, vampire pirates and the occasional dumb conquistador in the hypothetical Lizardman campaign.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Aurubin posted:

I'm guessing new races would be introduced with scenario campaigns? Like MTWII's kingdoms. It would be neat if instead they slowly added more and more to the world map, but that's a pipe dream unless this game was the new GTA. Looking forward to fighting Clan Pestilens, vampire pirates and the occasional dumb conquistador in the hypothetical Lizardman campaign.

That's literally their stated plan.

Broguts
Oct 16, 2014

Aurubin posted:

I'm guessing new races would be introduced with scenario campaigns? Like MTWII's kingdoms. It would be neat if instead they slowly added more and more to the world map, but that's a pipe dream unless this game was the new GTA. Looking forward to fighting Clan Pestilens, vampire pirates and the occasional dumb conquistador in the hypothetical Lizardman campaign.

If Sartosa seriously gets added I'm gonna loving freak.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Hahaha playing as the Empire is glorious, since getting decent artillery units I've only needed the melee lads to stand around and look hard, the arty tears things apart on the way up, then my gunners and crossbowmen subject the poor sods to further withering fire, and I can smash the cavalry or Karl Franz on his Pegasus (gets Deathclaw next level :getin:) into anyone who actually gets through that.

And now I can build steam tanks so guess where the entire Imperial treasury is about to go.

JacksLibido
Jul 21, 2004
Wow, Chaos start went from nigh impossible to super easy with the 1st turn recruit tip. After turn 15 or so I was an unstoppable murder wave that cleared the north unimpeded.

One problem though, how do I get my vassals to stop declaring war on each other?! I want them to destroy the south, not each other.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.


I'm pretty disappointed that the same faction coop mod is supposedly really bugged. Seems like that option really should have been added into the game by CA by default.

ParanoidInc
Apr 27, 2013

You dun scuffed me for the last time you no-good Zayn boy!
Fun Shoe

Aurubin posted:

I'm guessing new races would be introduced with scenario campaigns? Like MTWII's kingdoms. It would be neat if instead they slowly added more and more to the world map, but that's a pipe dream unless this game was the new GTA. Looking forward to fighting Clan Pestilens, vampire pirates and the occasional dumb conquistador in the hypothetical Lizardman campaign.

Luckily for you and us, they've explicitly compared their plans for expansion to putting puzzle pieces together, the puzzle being the world map

Fewd
Mar 22, 2007

#vmp #opsec #kolmiloikka #happoo
I started a Chaos game and running around as awesome made into flesh, Kholek. I'm just wondering, am I stuck to only having one stack/army as Chaos Warriors or can I somehow get another one going? I can't recruit leaders the usual way as I don't have cities. So far I've been doing alright with just my one army and don't even have money for another, but am still wondering.

ninjaedit; what about heroes? Do I get those from random events or something?

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


I watched a marienberg general under siege level himself twice. Cheating gently caress tried to peace out after that

frajaq
Jan 30, 2009

#acolyte GM of 2014


JacksLibido posted:

Wow, Chaos start went from nigh impossible to super easy with the 1st turn recruit tip.

Wait whats the tip, is it just starting another horde as fast as you can or something else?

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

I kinda hope they aren't going to exclusively just add the armies that had army books based on that quote from way back. Though that just says that if a race had an army book in 7th or 8th edition then it will be added to the game eventually, didn't say anything about those that didn't or never had army books NOT getting added.

Call me boring but I really want to see the non-Empire and non-Bretonnia human factions be fleshed out. The game would feel much more alive if Kislev, the Border Princes, Tilea and Estalia weren't just clones of the Empire factions as goes their heroes, lords and unit roster. What's more most of those human factions don't really need any new mechanics (or atleast not ones that are very different from those uesed by the Empire and Bretonnia), though unique city models would be cool and neat, and adding them would be much less complicated than adding the Skaven or Wood Elves. Outside of Kislev and maybe Tilea (where you can find some info in the Dogs of War lists going back) CA would probably have to make up their own units, lords, heroes and legendary lords, but that shouldn't be so much work I don't think, them still being only human.

I could totally see and really hope we get a few race DLCs for the human factions between this and the first major expansion (which should bring a new campaign as I understand it), Kislev as a DLC race, the Border Princes as another (breaking them up into several smaller ones preferably) perhaps together with Tilea, and Estalia as the third would make sense. Would be nice to inflate those southern realms geopraphically a bit as well, Estalia and Tilea probably should be larger and not just one province (though that might a bit much to ask of a race DLC, but maybe doable since it would be sufficient, I think, to just inflate them and add more settlements, making both 2-4 provinces instead).

e: Oh and the Norscans too, would be cool if they were a bit more distinct than just lower tier Chaos Warrior units (I also really hate fighting armies that are half warhounds and marauder horsemen!).

e2: Tileans having a Dogs of War type mechanic would also be cool, either a simple one where another faction can enter a special diplomatic treaty with a Tilean faction which allows the hiring faction to recruit Tilean mercenaries from their capital (who are disbanded when the deal ends) with the Tilean faction receiving an income boost. Or a more complicated one say you can designate an army to be hired as Dogs of War by another faction, if it does so it teleports to one of their lords and acts and moves as a Greenskin Waagh army that can be order around but not controlled directly, the Tilean faction receives any loot the Dogs of War army obtains as well as the income boost from the simpler option. If the Tileans are player controlled they can also control this army in battle themselves, allowing Tilean players to stay out of fighting war directly but still fight on the battlefield. Ofcourse you can break your contract and even sign on with an enemy of the faction you were fighting for, if ending the contract you can either teleport directly back to your capital (taking 1 or 2 turns maybe) or have the army stay where it is (possibly looting and pillaging gloriously on their march home).

e3: ^^ Or perhaps rather than that have mercenary company horde factions that use the second mechanic described above, who when not on contract, can travel the land and recruit different types of soldiers depending on which region or province they find themselves in. So you get a true Dogs of War army.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 07:10 on May 28, 2016

JacksLibido
Jul 21, 2004

frajaq posted:

Wait whats the tip, is it just starting another horde as fast as you can or something else?

Yeah literally the first thing you do is recruit a second lord. Once that's done go sack then awaken the first town with your starting hero while you build an army with your second. I move the second close to the awoken city to protect him from the Ruskies until he gets a decent army. From there it's a bit hit or miss, you have to keep both armies alive while clearing the 4-5 armies that are out to kill you those first few turns, but as soon as you get 1 full stack and one 3/4 stack you're pretty much on the road to winning. From there just sack and raze the entire penninsula and GG. I pretty much moved on when I had 3 armies, 100k in gold and didn't feel like killing off my vassals. This was on VH.

The only problem I have is my awoken tribes keep killing each other.

JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 06:28 on May 28, 2016

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JacksLibido
Jul 21, 2004

Fewd posted:

I started a Chaos game and running around as awesome made into flesh, Kholek. I'm just wondering, am I stuck to only having one stack/army as Chaos Warriors or can I somehow get another one going? I can't recruit leaders the usual way as I don't have cities. So far I've been doing alright with just my one army and don't even have money for another, but am still wondering.

ninjaedit; what about heroes? Do I get those from random events or something?

It's a second tab in the menu where you recruit dudes, it's the spot where you can build up your horde "city" thing. In the bottom of that menu there's a spot to recruit lords and agents just like other factions.

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