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PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Moola posted:

what the christ, Im reading that the 1070 benchmarks better than a Titan X

I dont even know what is real anymore?!?!?!

Not surprising, given that we're skipping an entire process node and finally moving forward.

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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Moola posted:

what the christ, Im reading that the 1070 benchmarks better than a Titan X

I dont even know what is real anymore?!?!?!

Hello and welcome to the 970 vs the original Titan now with the benefit of a node shrink.

This is why I so strongly advocate that until you're on a two year cycle, upgrade more frequently rather than buying bigger if you want more performance.

Orgophlax
Aug 26, 2002


I thought the new GeForce's were supposed to be cheap-ish, but I'm only seeing them $700+? Or am I confusing something?

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

Orgophlax posted:

I thought the new GeForce's were supposed to be cheap-ish, but I'm only seeing them $700+? Or am I confusing something?

Nope, the 1080 is the new big daddy with the 1070 being a step below it at around $380 ($500 for Founders edition).

AMD's new cards are supposed to be the cheap-ish ones.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Orgophlax posted:

I thought the new GeForce's were supposed to be cheap-ish, but I'm only seeing them $700+? Or am I confusing something?

That's the 1080, the 1070 isn't priced with the fastest card on the market premium and should be out soon. Below that you're waiting on AMD.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Is there a reason to get the MSI Z170A-Pro ($119.98 Amazon) over the MSI Z170A SLI ($99.99 Amazon)? I'm honestly a bit confused about the differences between MSI's Z170 boards.

This would be for a core i5-6600K, and my graphics card is a Radeon HD 7870 running at 1050 MHz, if that matters. I don't really have plans to do SLI, although I am running two 1080p monitors right now and could add a third in the future.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

Leperflesh posted:

Is there a reason to get the MSI Z170A-Pro ($119.98 Amazon) over the MSI Z170A SLI ($99.99 Amazon)? I'm honestly a bit confused about the differences between MSI's Z170 boards.

This would be for a core i5-6600K, and my graphics card is a Radeon HD 7870 running at 1050 MHz, if that matters. I don't really have plans to do SLI, although I am running two 1080p monitors right now and could add a third in the future.

The Z170A SLI is the better of the two boards, pricing is just confusing. :shrug:

ItBurns
Jul 24, 2007
Has there been any compelling reason revealed to wait for Kaby Lake (outside of waiting forever for the next-next-next-gen)? I recently discovered that my 4770k is mysteriously missing Vt-d which I needed for a project so I was thinking of a side-grade to a 6700k until I remembered that Intel was going to have something later this year. I will probably wait until black friday anyways because :jewish: but the feature list for Kaby Lake honestly looks a little thin from a performance standpoint.

Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

HalloKitty posted:

Still plenty of boards with it. For example, ATX (price), mini-ITX (price).

Well, my receiver does support HDMI - I was just curious as to what was going on. I was actually considering something very similar to the mini-ITX motherboard you linked:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z170igamingproac


And does anyone make a Mini-ITX case (one which can hold at least 300mm of graphics card) with a built-in SD card reader?

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

ItBurns posted:

Has there been any compelling reason revealed to wait for Kaby Lake (outside of waiting forever for the next-next-next-gen)? I recently discovered that my 4770k is mysteriously missing Vt-d which I needed for a project so I was thinking of a side-grade to a 6700k until I remembered that Intel was going to have something later this year. I will probably wait until black friday anyways because :jewish: but the feature list for Kaby Lake honestly looks a little thin from a performance standpoint.

It's neither a redesign nor a shrink so I don't think anyone is expecting notable CPU performance increases. From what I've read the main benefits known at this time are native USB 3.1, improved video decoding and improved IGP performance.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

Cockmaster posted:

Well, my receiver does support HDMI - I was just curious as to what was going on. I was actually considering something very similar to the mini-ITX motherboard you linked:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z170igamingproac


And does anyone make a Mini-ITX case (one which can hold at least 300mm of graphics card) with a built-in SD card reader?

For an SD card reader you generally have to go the route of a 5.25" bay insert. There are a number of mITX cases with a 5.25" bay that can fit a full sized GPU like the Fractal Design Core 500

Cathair
Jan 7, 2008
Putting together a gaming PC for my dad, $1200 budget, US, 1920x1080.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB 100 Million Edition Video Card ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1024.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 16:40 EDT-0400

Hard drive salvaged from existing PC for storage.


His existing PC is on the way out, so I want to be ordering in the next day or so (also why I'm not waiting on a 1070). I posted this a couple days ago and I hope I'm not being a jerk by bumping- I'm pretty confident in my choices given that almost identical builds have been recommended, but since I haven't looked at parts in almost three years, I'd feel better if someone could just skim this and tell me if I've hosed anything up. :ohdear:

Thanks!

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

Cathair posted:

Putting together a gaming PC for my dad, $1200 budget, US, 1920x1080.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB 100 Million Edition Video Card ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1024.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 16:40 EDT-0400

Hard drive salvaged from existing PC for storage.


His existing PC is on the way out, so I want to be ordering in the next day or so (also why I'm not waiting on a 1070). I posted this a couple days ago and I hope I'm not being a jerk by bumping- I'm pretty confident in my choices given that almost identical builds have been recommended, but since I haven't looked at parts in almost three years, I'd feel better if someone could just skim this and tell me if I've hosed anything up. :ohdear:

Thanks!

Here, some minor changes to save a few bucks without any looses in performance:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $974.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 17:27 EDT-0400

EDIT:

Actually you can also get him a much nicer case while still saving a few bucks:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1004.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 17:30 EDT-0400

AVeryLargeRadish fucked around with this message at 22:31 on May 30, 2016

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club
Adding an 850 EVO SSD and it looks like the m.2 version is just $8 more. Might as well do that if the motherboard has the slot, right? Are there any reasons I'd want to avoid m.2?

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

Deuce posted:

Adding an 850 EVO SSD and it looks like the m.2 version is just $8 more. Might as well do that if the motherboard has the slot, right? Are there any reasons I'd want to avoid m.2?

Nope, no reason not to use the m.2 version if you have the slot and don't mind paying a bit more.

Cathair
Jan 7, 2008

AVeryLargeRadish posted:

Actually you can also get him a much nicer case while still saving a few bucks:

Going with this build, thank you! I missed that graphics card option- no point in paying $40 extra for a slightly higher factory overclock, especially with the next gen right around the corner- and the case looks better as well.

Thread is indispensable as always.

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"
Are there any nice looking, windowed cases that can fit in an 18in tall x 9in wide space and can fit a 240-280mm AIO as front intake? I know the Define Nano S fits this criteria, but that's it.

Cernunnos
Sep 2, 2011

ppbbbbttttthhhhh~
My brother has decided to buy a desktop. Or rather he'll give me some money to buy him a desktop with. :v: So...

What Country are you in? USA
What are you using the system for? Gaming.
What's your budget? $700 max. I've already got a video card to put in this thing(I'm planning to get a 1070 to replace my 4GB 960, so he's getting that) and he's got a monitor.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N150PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($11.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $687.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 18:27 EDT-0400


I'm pretty sure this is fine. I'm mostly just checking to see if anyone has any suggestions for similarly-priced-but-better or even cheaper parts. Especially on the power supply.

And I know the 960 is bad, you don't need to remind me. For now it does well enough for his needs. It'll probably be upgraded later down the line.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

Neo_Crimson posted:

Are there any nice looking, windowed cases that can fit in an 18in tall x 9in wide space and can fit a 240-280mm AIO as front intake? I know the Define Nano S fits this criteria, but that's it.

The NZXT S340 will fit that and can take a 240mm AIO in the front for sure, I think a 280mm one too.

StoneyAssassin
Feb 19, 2003

I currently have a i5-2500k on a Z68 and GTX 750Ti. I've just started hitting a wall with performance in Hitman and The Division, having to run in almost all low settings for smoothness at 1920x1200. Can I get away with just a video card replacement or do I need a new CPU to stay at this resolution? I'd like to ensure I can keep running newer games with higher graphic options but I'm not sure it's worth a whole system replacement to get an i7.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

Cernunnos posted:

My brother has decided to buy a desktop. Or rather he'll give me some money to buy him a desktop with. :v: So...

What Country are you in? USA
What are you using the system for? Gaming.
What's your budget? $700 max. I've already got a video card to put in this thing(I'm planning to get a 1070 to replace my 4GB 960, so he's getting that) and he's got a monitor.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N150PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($11.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $687.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 18:27 EDT-0400


I'm pretty sure this is fine. I'm mostly just checking to see if anyone has any suggestions for similarly-priced-but-better or even cheaper parts. Especially on the power supply.

And I know the 960 is bad, you don't need to remind me. For now it does well enough for his needs. It'll probably be upgraded later down the line.

Here are a few tweaks:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($43.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.30 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N150PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($11.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $659.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 18:45 EDT-0400

1) A better CPU cooler, it's a bit extra but worth it for the better RAM clearance and smaller overall size. Just search Newegg to find it, for some reason PCPartPicker does not link to it.
2) Cheaper RAM that is the same speed.
3) I changed the m.2 drive for a traditional SATA one, they are the same speed and capacity and the R5 has loads of room for drives so saving $10 here seems like a good idea.
4) A slightly cheaper PSU. It's a very good one and while it is semi-modular the only thing permanently attached is the 24-pin mobo cable so who cares? It even has an extra 100W in case it is ever needed.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

StoneyAssassin posted:

I currently have a i5-2500k on a Z68 and GTX 750Ti. I've just started hitting a wall with performance in Hitman and The Division, having to run in almost all low settings for smoothness at 1920x1200. Can I get away with just a video card replacement or do I need a new CPU to stay at this resolution? I'd like to ensure I can keep running newer games with higher graphic options but I'm not sure it's worth a whole system replacement to get an i7.

You can just upgrade the video card. The CPU might bottleneck the new card in some situations with some games but you will still be gaining a huge FPS increase so it does not really matter if it bottlenecks in some rare case. You might want to wait on the upgrade though, new cards are coming out so the prices are in flux, you might see big price drops or fire sales from the next week onward. How much did you want to spend?

Swartz
Jul 28, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Ok, over the past month or two I have had an X99 cpu and have had nothing but bad experiences.

That being said, as far as I know the current issue is my PSU, not the motherboard or anything else.

Anyway, I am preparing to get my digital camera together for a sale of x99 parts for Skylake parts and was wondering if all of this sounded kosher.

I wanted to sell the following parts, giving full information needed in case any parts need to be RMA'd:

Mobo: MSI Godlike Gaming Carbon - Sell for $490 shipped

CPU: 5820k - Sell for $290 shipped

4x4gb (16gb) G.Skill Ripjaws 4 DDR4 3000 RAM - Sell for ~$70

3x8gb (24gb, plus I'd separate the defective 4th ram module so people could rma it and have 32gb) of G.Skill Ripjaws 4 DDR4 3000 RAM: Sell for ~$110


Then, I would "upgrade" to the following:

Mobo: ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Professional Gaming

CPU: 6700k

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666

I'd come out ahead money wise and no longer have an X99 platform, which at this point I deem an unstable platform.

Good idea or am I retarded?

StoneyAssassin
Feb 19, 2003

AVeryLargeRadish posted:

You can just upgrade the video card. The CPU might bottleneck the new card in some situations with some games but you will still be gaining a huge FPS increase so it does not really matter if it bottlenecks in some rare case. You might want to wait on the upgrade though, new cards are coming out so the prices are in flux, you might see big price drops or fire sales from the next week onward. How much did you want to spend?

I'm fine with spending $300+ or so. I'm interested if the 1070 would leave too much performance on the table to be a worthwhile upgrade but I like what you say about a firesale.

StoneyAssassin fucked around with this message at 01:15 on May 31, 2016

Dress Code Force
Nov 2, 2010

I'm building a new desktop for a friend of mine that primarily wants to use it for digital art and streaming said digital art. How does this look?

What Country are you in? USA
What are you using the system for? Art!
What's your budget? $650, but there miiiight be some wiggle room.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.30 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $546.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 20:17 EDT-0400

I'm a bit under budget because she'd also like a keyboard, mouse, and speakers (I'd like to have her try the first two out in person to see what feels best instead of trusting images), and I'm mulling over the possibility of upgrading to an i5, a bigger SSD, or even sticking in a GTX 950 for any gaming shenanigans she hasn't told me about yet. :) Any recommendations would be really appreciated!

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

StoneyAssassin posted:

I'm fine with spending $300+ or so. I'm interested if the 1070 would leave too much performance on the table to be a worthwhile upgrade but I like what you say about a firesale.

Are you overclocking? You didn't mention and the 2500K usually has a lot of potential.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

StoneyAssassin posted:

I'm fine with spending $300+ or so. I'm interested if the 1070 would leave too much performance on the table to be a worthwhile upgrade but I like what you say about a firesale.

I think the 1070 would be fine as long as you have OCed your CPU, if you haven't and you can you should do so. If you are using the stock cooler you can get a cooler that will let you OC for like $25-$35. The 1070 also means that if you ever upgrade to a 2560x1440 monitor you will still be able to run everything just fine. Even at 1920x1080 you can give the card plenty of work to do with settings like DSR to make everything look super nice. I do expect a good 1070 to cost a minimum of $400, the $380 MSRP plus the boost in price for a decent cooler on top will bring it up to at least $400, maybe $420.

Dress Code Force posted:

I'm building a new desktop for a friend of mine that primarily wants to use it for digital art and streaming said digital art. How does this look?

What Country are you in? USA
What are you using the system for? Art!
What's your budget? $650, but there miiiight be some wiggle room.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.30 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $546.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 20:17 EDT-0400

I'm a bit under budget because she'd also like a keyboard, mouse, and speakers (I'd like to have her try the first two out in person to see what feels best instead of trusting images), and I'm mulling over the possibility of upgrading to an i5, a bigger SSD, or even sticking in a GTX 950 for any gaming shenanigans she hasn't told me about yet. :) Any recommendations would be really appreciated!

I'd try to fit an i5 and a slightly better PSU in, something with a 5 year warranty. 16GB of RAM too since both art programs and streaming can eat a lot of resources and more RAM would be a pain to add later since you would have to chuck out the old stuff. This will go over budget but that is pretty much unavoidable:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($202.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.30 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.89 @ Directron)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Thermaltake 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $662.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 20:42 EDT-0400

Dress Code Force
Nov 2, 2010

AVeryLargeRadish posted:

I think the 1070 would be fine as long as you have OCed your CPU, if you haven't and you can you should do so. If you are using the stock cooler you can get a cooler that will let you OC for like $25-$35. The 1070 also means that if you ever upgrade to a 2560x1440 monitor you will still be able to run everything just fine. Even at 1920x1080 you can give the card plenty of work to do with settings like DSR to make everything look super nice. I do expect a good 1070 to cost a minimum of $400, the $380 MSRP plus the boost in price for a decent cooler on top will bring it up to at least $400, maybe $420.


I'd try to fit an i5 and a slightly better PSU in, something with a 5 year warranty. 16GB of RAM too since both art programs and streaming can eat a lot of resources and more RAM would be a pain to add later since you would have to chuck out the old stuff. This will go over budget but that is pretty much unavoidable:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($202.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.30 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.89 @ Directron)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Thermaltake 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $662.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-30 20:42 EDT-0400

This looks pretty great in terms of future-proofing, I'll go ahead and run it by her. Thank you very much!

As an aside, I've been lurking for a while and your build advice is pretty solid, like dang. :tipshat:

StoneyAssassin
Feb 19, 2003

Eletriarnation posted:

Are you overclocking? You didn't mention and the 2500K usually has a lot of potential.


AVeryLargeRadish posted:

I think the 1070 would be fine as long as you have OCed your CPU, if you haven't and you can you should do so. If you are using the stock cooler you can get a cooler that will let you OC for like $25-$35. The 1070 also means that if you ever upgrade to a 2560x1440 monitor you will still be able to run everything just fine. Even at 1920x1080 you can give the card plenty of work to do with settings like DSR to make everything look super nice. I do expect a good 1070 to cost a minimum of $400, the $380 MSRP plus the boost in price for a decent cooler on top will bring it up to at least $400, maybe $420.


I've got an aftermarket cooler and can still get it up to 4.3Ghz so it sounds like a 1070 will be the best bang for my buck. Thanks guys!

DiabloStarCraft
Oct 12, 2006

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I'm looking at getting an upgrade for my brothers computer, hopefully so it can play games a bit better. He plays at 1080p and he'd like to play The Witcher 3, but right now his PC doesn't cut it, and I'm wondering, say I had £100 to put somewhere, where would be the best place to put it -


edit: Also, god these 1070s look nice, but I'm betting I won't feel much of a jump over my 970? I game at 1440p

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DiabloStarCraft posted:

I'm looking at getting an upgrade for my brothers computer, hopefully so it can play games a bit better. He plays at 1080p and he'd like to play The Witcher 3, but right now his PC doesn't cut it, and I'm wondering, say I had £100 to put somewhere, where would be the best place to put it -


edit: Also, god these 1070s look nice, but I'm betting I won't feel much of a jump over my 970? I game at 1440p

Well, basically any current GTX graphics would be a major upgrade, though unless you're spending more than a hundred quid probably not enough to play Witcher 3 at anything beyond low-medium settings. The CPU is also getting a bit old, but that would get a bit more expensive to replace.

A refurbished GTX 760 or 770 would be a good place to start I think.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

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DiabloStarCraft posted:

I'm looking at getting an upgrade for my brothers computer, hopefully so it can play games a bit better. He plays at 1080p and he'd like to play The Witcher 3, but right now his PC doesn't cut it, and I'm wondering, say I had £100 to put somewhere, where would be the best place to put it -


edit: Also, god these 1070s look nice, but I'm betting I won't feel much of a jump over my 970? I game at 1440p

The 1070 would be a big jump over the 970 for 1440p, the 970 tends to manage around 40 FPS in the more demanding titles at 1440p with high settings, the 1070 would let you max everything out and sit at 60 FPS the whole time. One good upgrade path would be to get a 1070 for yourself and give your brother your old 970 which would be a huge boost for him, two birds with one GPU. :cheeky:

macnbc
Dec 13, 2006

brb, time travelin'
So just finished figuring out a build to replace my wife's PC. Interested in getting a sanity-check.

She's a moderate gamer so the approach that worked for us last time in 2010 was to make an enthusiast build and run it into the ground until it's barely meeting minimum specs. (Her previous one was a Bloomfield i7 with a GTX480.)
So the key for this one is to build something that'll hold up as long as possible, but can at least do current stuff on ultra settings at 1080p.

Here's the parts list I put together. How'd I do? Yeah, everything but the GPU is purchased but I can still cancel/return any problematic parts. Coolermaster Case and Western Digital HDD (for storage) are being reused.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $222.59)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $24.99)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste (Purchased For $6.99)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Purchased For $119.99)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (Purchased For $69.29)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $109.99)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $89.99)
Other: Nvidia EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 ($379.99)
Total: $1023.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-31 07:55 EDT-0400

(We plan to do a low-mid grade OC to bring the CPU up to 4 - 4.4 GHz)

macnbc fucked around with this message at 13:12 on May 31, 2016

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

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macnbc posted:

So just finished figuring out a build to replace my wife's PC. Interested in getting a sanity-check.

She's a moderate gamer so the approach that worked for us last time in 2010 was to make an enthusiast build and run it into the ground until it's barely meeting minimum specs. (Her previous one was a Bloomfield i7 with a GTX480.)
So the key for this one is to build something that'll hold up as long as possible, but can at least do current stuff on ultra settings at 1080p.

Here's the parts list I put together. How'd I do? Yeah, everything but the GPU is purchased but I can still cancel/return any problematic parts. Coolermaster Case and Western Digital HDD (for storage) are being reused.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $222.59)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $24.99)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste (Purchased For $6.99)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Purchased For $119.99)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (Purchased For $69.29)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $109.99)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $89.99)
Other: Nvidia EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 ($379.99)
Total: $1023.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-31 07:55 EDT-0400

(We plan to do a low-mid grade OC to bring the CPU up to 4 - 4.4 GHz)

I'm sure others will also chime in, but that looks like a completely solid build. Nothing jumps out as being problematic. She's going to enjoy it for a long time.

broken pixel
Dec 16, 2011



I'm a graphic designer (multitasking with After Effects, InDesign, Photoshop, etc.) and gamer—in the U.S.—who has some cash to spare. I built my PC around December 2011, with the old thread's assistance, and it's been a really solid build that's done well for me for the last 4.5ish years. I have some questions about what to do next with a $300 budget; I'd consider going to $400 if it seemed necessary.
  • Since it's nearing 5 years, should I replace the HDD and PSU while I have a chance? If so...
  • I've been using my HDD as my secondary game install location and storage for files (design, music, video, etc). Would a NAS drive be a consideration? I'm totally out of the loop on NAS.
  • Do I really need 750W again on the PSU? I remember getting mine for a good deal, so I think the wattage was less because I needed it, and more because "why not?"
  • Should I also consider replacing my 2TB external backup HDD, of the same age?
  • Is there anything else in my build I might want to replace in the meantime?

The Current Build

OS: Windows 10
CPU: Intel i7 2600K 3.4GHz
RAM: 8GB DDR3 668MHz
Mobo: ASUS P8P67 Pro
PSU: XFX PRO750W
Cooler: Hyper 212 EVO
HDD: Samsung 1TB 7200RPM
SSD (Jan 2016): Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
GPU (Jan 2016): NVIDIA GTX 960 4GB

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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Is there anyone using a SilverStone ML08B for their case? I am a sucker for small form factors, and if I can get a 1070 into there, that would be pretty sweet.

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Aug 5, 2003
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Is there anyone using a SilverStone ML08B for their case? I am a sucker for small form factors, and if I can get a 1070 into there, that would be pretty sweet.

It's essentially the same case as the rvz02, but with a different grill. It's a very nice case and should fit a 1070 just fine, just make sure to double check your measurements because I don't know how needlessly big the custom boards will be.

We also have a SFF thread here:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3776587

macnbc
Dec 13, 2006

brb, time travelin'

broken pixel posted:

I'm a graphic designer (multitasking with After Effects, InDesign, Photoshop, etc.) and gamer—in the U.S.—who has some cash to spare. I built my PC around December 2011, with the old thread's assistance, and it's been a really solid build that's done well for me for the last 4.5ish years. I have some questions about what to do next with a $300 budget; I'd consider going to $400 if it seemed necessary.

You should definitely replace your PSU if it's past the warranty point, which for that model it should be after 5 years. You don't need anywhere near 750W for that build. Anything 500+ should be more than sufficient.

For the HDD I'd say that's a "maybe" on replacement. Storage drives aren't going to age quite as quickly as your main system drive since it's not being accessed quite as frequently. If you use it for storage of critical data that you can't afford to lose, then replacing it probably wouldn't hurt.

For other suggestions: Is your RAM 2 sticks of 4GB or 4 sticks of 2GB? If you have open slots it probably won't cost much to double up.

macnbc fucked around with this message at 18:22 on May 31, 2016

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

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AVeryLargeRadish posted:


Toast Museum posted:

What are near-idle noise levels like on gaming-capable machines these days? I don't really have the space or the budget for both a desktop and an HTPC right now, so I'm considering getting a single PC that's overkill as an HTPC but good enough to play games on once in a while—probably mostly older games, but I don't want to rule out newer stuff. My main concern is that the PC be quiet when it's being used for light tasks, especially video playback. I care less about noise during games, as long as it's not completely ridiculous.

One other constraint: because of where I plan to put this PC (a relatively deep alcove built into the wall), the case's height should be under, say, a foot. I haven't decided on exact dimensions yet, but that's in the ballpark.

Is what I'm hoping for possible at a reasonable price point? The last time I built a PC was in 2007, so I have no idea how much of a price and/or performance hit to expect for a quiet but capable desktop.

  • Country: US
  • Use: mostly HTPC and web browsing, occasionally games
  • Budget: Let's say $1,000.
  • Monitor: a 65" 4K TV about eight feet away. At that distance, I don't know whether it's better to aim for higher settings at 1080 or lower settings at 4K for games. I'm open to advice. The TV does support 60Hz at 4K over HDMI.

It's very possible to build a gaming PC that is nearly silent while also being very small for under 1k, here is a sample build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($33.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H170M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($85.85 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($289.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $890.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-11 14:07 EDT-0400

This build is nice and small and should be very quiet at idle and even while gaming. The case also has plenty of room for extra HDDs if you want to expand your storage. However I will quote myself from the post above:

[Wait for the 1070, basically]


Seems unlikely that much would have changed in the past few weeks, but I'm about to pull the trigger, so I might as well make sure. I'm bumping up the RAM to 16GB and the SSD to 500GB, and I'm going with the Fractal Design Define Nano S as suggested in a subsequent post. I'll hold off on the GPU for now and pick up a 1070 later. Is there anything else I should consider changing? Is there anything happening between now and mid-July that's likely to drop the price on any of this?

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broken pixel
Dec 16, 2011



macnbc posted:

You should definitely replace your PSU if it's past the warranty point, which for that model it should be after 5 years. You don't need anywhere near 750W for that build. Anything 500+ should be more than sufficient.

For the HDD I'd say that's a "maybe" on replacement. Storage drives aren't going to age quite as quickly as your main system drive since it's not being accessed quite as frequently. If you use it for storage of critical data that you can't afford to lose, then replacing it probably wouldn't hurt.

For other suggestions: Is your RAM 2 sticks of 4GB or 4 sticks of 2GB? If you have open slots it probably won't cost much to double up.

Thanks! I'll definitely look in to a new PSU, and if I see an HDD at a good price, I'll consider it, too. My RAM is 2 4GB sticks, so I'll look at that, as well.

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