USPOL June 2016: Oh say can you Arzy?

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awesmoe: Nov 30, 2005; Pillbug

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

That stupid post is correct in one (1) regard: the age of the internet has made the canonization of any politician impossible.

You mean the wholesale, universal approval of a politician (because obviously you don't just mean mindless veneration from a group of supporters)?. I don't think that was ever really been possible, what makes you think it was?

# ? Jun 2, 2016 01:25

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 13:18

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

It is actually way easier to live your life being confidently and aggressively dead wrong about everything.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 01:26

SpiderHyphenMan: Apr 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

awesmoe posted:

You mean the wholesale, universal approval of a politician (because obviously you don't just mean mindless veneration from a group of supporters)?. I don't think that was ever really been possible, what makes you think it was?

Reagan.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 01:44

Chokes McGee: Aug 7, 2008; This is Urotsuki.

Grondoth posted:

Regdate

I prefer to think you're posting from the past

# ? Jun 2, 2016 01:48

there wolf: Jan 11, 2015; by Fluffdaddy

Epic High Five posted:

I swear I'm about to start posting replies to all these gorilla stories that are STILL spamming my Facebook feed with videos of silverbacks ripping screaming baby gorillas apart limb from limb and then eating them because they were the offspring of a different gorilla

Look up Frodo the chimp and ask them if they think gorillas are any less interested in an easy meal.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 01:52

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Reagan.

Didn't happen. He was never universally loved.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 01:55

A Winner is Jew: Feb 14, 2008; by exmarx

fishmech posted:

Didn't happen. He was never universally loved.

He was loved by white people though, and those are all that count.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 01:56

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

But he was by ~REAL AMERICANS~ :911:

# ? Jun 2, 2016 01:56

awesmoe: Nov 30, 2005; Pillbug

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Reagan.

I mean, yeah, same as trump. His supporters love him and ignore anything that conflicts with that central pillar of their identity (People who identify as his enemy will ignore positive stuff). People who are less invested can be informed.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 02:00

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

Like at the height of Reagan's popularity while in office, he got 58.8% of the vote. That's not even the most of the popular vote any president has gotten, because LBJ got 61.1% in 1964.

Even if we decided to say every single person who didn't vote in 1984 also liked Reagan, that leaves a huge chunk of America that actively voted against him.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 02:20

Freakazoid_: Jul 5, 2013; Buglord

Taima posted:

I don't even know how old people formed their opinions, but I assume it was a series of racist campfire stories. That's how people used to learn stuff before the internet, right?

The internet is like many campfires. You can choose which campfire to sit at and there are campfires so specific to your desires, you never have to be at any other, like no other campfire exists.

This is only technically better because while you won't be forced to sit at the racist campfire by your parents, you have the option of going to that really weird campfire that glorifies cartoon ponies and can only communicate real life issues through pony metaphors.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 02:21

Godlessdonut: Sep 13, 2005

Jarmak posted:

They posted up the full indictment from the story I linked earlier: http://media2.wptv.com/documents/rajapc.pdf?_ga=1.101674309.536603198.1464809781

For anyone who was confused (like me) how someone could be indicted for attempted first degree murder and culpable manslaughter here's a summary:

Jones was sitting waiting for a tow truck at 3am when the cop (Raja) drives the wrong way up the off ramp in an unmarked white van jumps out in plain clothes (which is supervisor specifically ordered him to wear a marked police vest over for that reason... that he didn't) and draws his weapon on Jones without announcing he's a police officer. Jones being a licensed carrier and legally carrying a concealed weapon pulls his gun and is immediately fatally shot by the officer. In the time between the fatal shots and Jones actually collapsing he drops his weapon and flees, with the officer shooting him non-fatally in the back as he does so. Raja then calls 911 and lies about a bunch of stuff (including staging a fake order to drop the gun at the beginning of the call), but Jones had been on the phone with roadside support at the time so everything was recorded.

Raja was indicted for culpable manslaughter for the initial shots, because Raja had a gun but the cop negligently didn't identify himself, and attempted first degree murder for the shots to the back of the fleeing Jones which only caused superficial damage.

edit:

Haha you posted that literally as I was writing the above

edit2:
It should be noted that the ME testified that it was extremely unlikely that Jones could have traveled the 41ft he fled after receiving the fatal shot to the heart, so it's kind of bullshit that he's not getting the full 1st degree murder charge, but that's probably because the evidence was too thin and attempted first degree still carries a life sentence.

Ok that does make more sense. Thanks for the explanation.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 02:54

Taima: Dec 31, 2006; tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

Grondoth posted:

Two Thousand and loving Six and you think this?

Yes, I do, in fact, believe that the internet generations will be much better as they age compared to the old people of today.

Freakazoid_ posted:

The internet is like many campfires. You can choose which campfire to sit at and there are campfires so specific to your desires, you never have to be at any other, like no other campfire exists.

This is only technically better because while you won't be forced to sit at the racist campfire by your parents, you have the option of going to that really weird campfire that glorifies cartoon ponies and can only communicate real life issues through pony metaphors.

You guys view the world through a uniquely lovely lens, that is to say, being a denizen of the internet. So I forgive you for not seeing the big picture here.

There have always been weird rear end people. They can now congregate in their little minority groups, but they by no means represent the population.

I'm talking about the vast majority of people, the people who aren't "internet folk" but are reaping the informational benefits of the internet. I'm on the older side by SA standards, in my 30s. In just the last 15+ years that I've been a mildly sentient adult, the world has really changed. Hell just in the last year, a socialist almost just became the democratic nominee. We just made trans rights a thing? That just happened like 2 weeks ago. The GOP is slowly dying of a million cuts and has no clear vision of what it could or should be in the future to bring itself back to life.

I dunno. Color me optimistic I guess. Just seems like a lot of really rad stuff over the years has correlated with the internet gaining traction in everyone's lives.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 02:59

Xanderkish: Aug 10, 2011; Hello!

e: ^ Nah man, I agree with you.

Freakazoid_ posted:

The internet is like many campfires. You can choose which campfire to sit at and there are campfires so specific to your desires, you never have to be at any other, like no other campfire exists.

This is only technically better because while you won't be forced to sit at the racist campfire by your parents, you have the option of going to that really weird campfire that glorifies cartoon ponies and can only communicate real life issues through pony metaphors.

Well, the internet kept me surviving through high school and allowed me to look up different campfires and particularly official and scientific campfires so that I was able to expand my supply of knowledge and develop critical thinking skills and made me a super-duper liberal, which I'm inclined to believe is at least relatively accurate. Maybe I'm a special case, and certainly there are some people who are just looking for what makes them feel good, but I suspect that there's other people like me who are just as concerned about being accurate in their understanding as they are about being comfortable, and for whom the internet makes it easier to achieve that understanding where they wouldn't be able to before.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 03:00

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Arzy also went from rabidly pro-Obama to Romney's biggest supporter because he thought Obama was fostering a national climate of hate against investment bankers.

He also claimed that Obama increasing taxes on people making over 300k and Obamacare raising the Medicare tax for people over 250k meant Obama lied about not raising taxes on the middle class and he was unable to make ends meet.

Does he still post? I haven't seen him in a while.

Obama got to him. :commissar:

He was the living embodiment of Henry_Guillotine.gif after all.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 03:27

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Gravel Gravy posted:

Don't forget Santorum

Who do you think lovely dick is

# ? Jun 2, 2016 03:47

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

Taima posted:

I dunno. Color me optimistic I guess. Just seems like a lot of really rad stuff over the years has correlated with the internet gaining traction in everyone's lives.

The great stuff that you're talking about also correlates strongly with demographic shifts away from the people who were opposing regressive and hateful policies in the first place, and in general seems to follow a general leftward march in US politics that's been happening for a little while now. I mean, I'd love to be optimistic, but so far a good deal of the research that's being done on this topic seems to say that the internet is actually making us (and my "us" I mean the average person, not silly goons) more insular and more prone to filter news through outlets that align with our existing political views.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 03:48

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Freakazoid_ posted:

The internet is like many campfires. You can choose which campfire to sit at and there are campfires so specific to your desires, you never have to be at any other, like no other campfire exists.

This is only technically better because while you won't be forced to sit at the racist campfire by your parents, you have the option of going to that really weird campfire that glorifies cartoon ponies and can only communicate real life issues through pony metaphors.

The internet is like a campfire in a national forest which has been experiencing 18 months of drought: A firestorm waiting to happen.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 04:02

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

My Imaginary GF posted:

The internet is like a campfire in a national forest which has been experiencing 18 months of drought: A firestorm waiting to happen.

A firestorm full of porn. All the porn you could ever dream of. Every hole, every body part...

# ? Jun 2, 2016 04:05

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

DemeaninDemon posted:

A firestorm full of porn. All the porn you could ever dream of. Every hole, every body part....

If you continue to feel a burning sensation past Super Tuesday, I recommend you visit your doctor.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 04:19

AriadneThread: Feb 17, 2011; The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.

that sounds incredibly illegal

# ? Jun 2, 2016 04:19

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

DemeaninDemon posted:

A firestorm full of porn. All the porn you could ever dream of. Every hole, every body part...

hope you got enough redbull

# ? Jun 2, 2016 04:23

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

fishmech posted:

Like at the height of Reagan's popularity while in office, he got 58.8% of the vote. That's not even the most of the popular vote any president has gotten, because LBJ got 61.1% in 1964.

Even if we decided to say every single person who didn't vote in 1984 also liked Reagan, that leaves a huge chunk of America that actively voted against him.

I remember reading this at my parents' kitchen table right after Reagan croaked, June 2004.

There were a few others from that month that poo poo on him but that was the one that stuck with me. The Boondocks daily strip was amazing.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 05:03

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

GalacticAcid posted:

I remember reading this at my parents' kitchen table right after Reagan croaked, June 2004.

There were a few others from that month that poo poo on him but that was the one that stuck with me. The Boondocks daily strip was amazing.

I remember telling my mom that Reagan died. "Oh... good." *turns back to computer, continues playing solitaire*

That's my "I'm glad Reagan's dead" story. Thank you for listening.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 05:37

Zeroisanumber: Oct 23, 2010; Nap Ghost

I popped a bottle of champagne. gently caress Reagan. The only people who I was happier about dying were Scalia and Osama Bin Laden.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 05:41

Fuck You And Diebold: Sep 15, 2004; by Athanatos

Zeroisanumber posted:

I popped a bottle of champagne. gently caress Reagan. The only people who I was happier about dying were Scalia and Osama Bin Laden.

thatcher

# ? Jun 2, 2016 05:46

Ceiling fan: Dec 26, 2003; I really like ceilings.; Dead Man’s Band

zoux posted:

I mean, obviously it couldn't have happened this way because it was the Obama presidency that laid the ground for the Trump candidacy, but imagine if Hillary had won in 2008 and 2016 was Trump vs full-on Campaign Obama.

"Please proceed, Mr Trump."

Also,

Zeroisanumber posted:

I popped a bottle of champagne. gently caress Reagan. The only people who I was happier about dying were Scalia and Osama Bin Laden.

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

thatcher

# ? Jun 2, 2016 05:48

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

So who is next on the list of rear end in a top hat conservative champions that need death's cold embrace? Cheney?

# ? Jun 2, 2016 05:57

Zeroisanumber: Oct 23, 2010; Nap Ghost

Cheney. Rummy's number has to be coming up soon too.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 05:58

Proust Malone: Apr 4, 2008

DemeaninDemon posted:

So who is next on the list of rear end in a top hat conservative champions that need death's cold embrace? Cheney?

Its already come for Cheney but through the powers of modern ~~necromancy~~ medicine, he still breathes. In another twenty years it will be just that crooked grimace in a captain pike chair.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:02

Fuck You And Diebold: Sep 15, 2004; by Athanatos

Cheney or Kissinger

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:02

PERMACAV 50: Jul 24, 2007; because we are cat

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

Cheney or Kissinger

Every time I hear Kissinger's still alive, I'm surprised all over again. Where the gently caress are his horcruxes?

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:07

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

It's my fondest wish that HW outlives W, against all odds.

Not that I'm a fan of the elder either but still.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:11

Peztopiary: Mar 16, 2009; by exmarx

Phylactery (we have a perfectly good word already) is in Vietnam or Cambodia. Nixon was trying to save us.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:13

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Gravel Gravy posted:

Don't forget Santorum

Reminder about Santorum, he keeps a jar that contains a still born of one his kids. Super prolife.

I'm am kicking a man when he's down, but gently caress him and his party's platform on sex and women's health issues.

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:15

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

PhazonLink posted:

Reminder about Santorum, he keeps a jar that contains a still born of one his kids. Super prolife.

I'm am kicking a man when he's down, but gently caress him and his party's platform on sex and women's health issues.

He's a sack of frothy poo poo cum that deserves a good kick in the ribs.

I just feel bad for his kids that aren't in a jar. Ok kids lets take turns holding this glob of medical waste that came from mommy!

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:17

stone cold: Feb 15, 2014

Sex Hobbit posted:

Every time I hear Kissinger's still alive, I'm surprised all over again. Where the gently caress are his horcruxes?

Cambodia, Chile, East Timor, Bangladesh, et al. Any goons on the ground there with access to basilisk venom??

e: haha beaten above

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:20

Dr. Arbitrary: Mar 15, 2006; Bleak Gremlin

Local Politics, but it just feels so good.

Cause:
I am a female Hispanic Democrat and I am voting for Doug Ducey
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2015/07/23/planned-parenthood-shows-lack-of-consideration-for-humanity/
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2013/07/01/middle-high-school-students-need-abstinence-based-sex-education/

Effect:

Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jun 2, 2016

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:23

icantfindaname: Jul 1, 2008

Luigi Thirty posted:

Obama has finally figured out Republicans will reflexively oppose everything he says, 7 years and 6 months into his presidency, proposes increasing social security.

neoliberals want to cut social programs, not expand them :ssh:

# ? Jun 2, 2016 06:55

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Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

icantfindaname posted:

neoliberals want to cut social programs, not expand them

Republicans want to take grandma out back and shoot her. :ssh:

# ? Jun 2, 2016 07:23

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