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RikkiTikkiTavi posted:Here, have some content about a weird immersive movie set. Ukrainian remake of Synecdoche, New York sounds freaking awesome.
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FirstPersonShitter posted:Being an easily-misled dumbass isn't a defence for doing something totally evil. That defence has never held up in court anywhere any time it's been tried. I love the characterization of these people as frightened and worried mothers. If your kid wanting to be a hair stylist frightens and worries you, you're a piece of poo poo. lol
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Jun 1, 2016 21:19
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I was a kinda lovely child when I was younger but I knew about these places and the kidnapping they did when you were 'enrolled' so I kept a knife near my bed just in case it came to that. I was and still am pretty sure that no court would convict some scared kid for knifing someone who was trying to abduct them. Edit: Actually im kinda curious on what the hospitalization/death rate for those people are, I would imagine that neighbors or older siblings or something would gently caress them up something fierce at least some of be time. Telsa Cola has a new favorite as of 22:07 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Jun 1, 2016 21:54
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This was from a few pages back, but anyone interested in dopamine and its crazy effects on the human brain should check out Awakenings by the Late Great Oliver Sacks. I also recommend The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat, a series of clinical stories about some of the weirder things that can go wrong with the brain.
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Jun 2, 2016 00:36
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genetic_knockout posted:I also recommend The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat, a series of clinical stories about some of the weirder things that can go wrong with the brain. This is a great book, there are some really atrocious things that go wrong in the brain.
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Telsa Cola posted:I was a kinda lovely child when I was younger but I knew about these places and the kidnapping they did when you were 'enrolled' so I kept a knife near my bed just in case it came to that. I was and still am pretty sure that no court would convict some scared kid for knifing someone who was trying to abduct them. I bet most people just find it easier to pretend they just never saw anything in the first place.
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Jun 2, 2016 00:53
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Jack Gladney posted:I bet most people just find it easier to pretend they just never saw anything in the first place. Oh I know but I'm assuming that there is a greater then average occupational rate of people loving them up. Telsa Cola has a new favorite as of 01:32 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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Jun 2, 2016 01:20
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Telsa Cola posted:I was a kinda lovely child when I was younger but I knew about these places and the kidnapping they did when you were 'enrolled' so I kept a knife near my bed just in case it came to that. I was and still am pretty sure that no court would convict some scared kid for knifing someone who was trying to abduct them. Oh please, the siblings were themselves kidnapped YEARS ago.
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Jun 2, 2016 01:57
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A really good book that deals with one of those camps is Julia Scheeres' memoir "Jesus Land," which is also about her childhood growing up as a white kid in a fundamentalist family with several adopted black siblings (who were never treated quite the same as the biological children). Warning: very sad. I just looked up her website and it seems she also wrote a book about Jonestown, which I'm sure would also fit well into this thread. I've read every book I could find on Jim Jones, so I guess I need to get that one. Her site: http://juliascheeres.com/books.shtml
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Jun 2, 2016 15:03
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FirstPersonShitter posted:Being an easily-misled dumbass isn't a defence for doing something totally evil. That defence has never held up in court anywhere any time it's been tried. I love the characterization of these people as frightened and worried mothers. If your kid wanting to be a hair stylist frightens and worries you, you're a piece of poo poo. That's the characterization being given by the other poster who had something resembling meaningful contact with these people, rather than a narrative constructed entirely in your own head, so...
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Jun 2, 2016 15:08
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Imagine being trapped in a train. In the middle of a 2.5 km tunnel at a 30-degree angle. Halfway up a mountain. On fire. In the dark. It ends as fear it will. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_o4VFv6Seo On 11 November 2000 a fire started in one carriage of a funicular railway which runs under the Alps in Kaprun, Austria. A recent upgrade included the addition of a fan heater in the attendant's cabin. The heater was not intended for use in such environments and proved fragile. An electrical fire in the heater ignited leaking hydraulic fluid. The fire burned out of control, cut the electricity and brought the train to a halt. 155 died in the fire. All (except 2 in a downward train, who died from fumes) elected to go up the tunnel. The 12 survivors all elected to go down the tunnel past the burning rear of the train. The passengers who headed upwards would have had to climb for 2km through smoke and toxic fumes to reach the end. None made it further than 150m, most didn't make it as far as 15m. The 12 who escaped had to travel less than 500m. The tunnel remains closed to this day.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:31
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Running downhill towards a burning train to escape takes balls and clear headed thinking. Holy poo poo, I would have been dead.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:45
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Back in 1886 NYPD detective Thomas Byrnes published Professional Criminals of America , an absolutely fascinating look into crime at the time. https://archive.org/details/cu31924096989177 Some of his stories range from the sad     to the racist      to the fairly amusing.    
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Imagine being trapped in a train. In the middle of a 2.5 km tunnel at a 30-degree angle. Halfway up a mountain. On fire. In the dark. That's horrifying. Good on the guy to realize which way to go under such insane circumstances. On another note, loving hell I can't stand re-enactments in documentaries. It's always so overacted and comes across as really goofy.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:48
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Here's the Wikipedia entry on that train fire, for those who prefer text to video: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaprun_disaster
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Solice Kirsk posted:Running downhill towards a burning train to escape takes balls and clear headed thinking. Holy poo poo, I would have been dead. Same. I'd like to think reading this thread somehow would help me in a disaster scenario and I'd take note of poo poo like that, but instead I'd probably spend my last moments racking my brains to find what counter-intuitive action is best to do in "X" situation and end up not only dead, but doing something completely ridiculous and illogical to hasten the process.
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Jun 3, 2016 00:19
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Solice Kirsk posted:Running downhill towards a burning train to escape takes balls and clear headed thinking. Holy poo poo, I would have been dead. Sometimes I wonder if reading about these kinds of disasters might make you a little more likely to make the right decision if it happened to you. But, at lease based on the picture I have in my head, I imagine it would be incredibly difficult -- even if you wanted to go downhill -- not to get physically swept up in a panicked crowd of over 100 people and pushed upward. Like in that Brazil nightclub fire a few years ago, I doubt that 180 people really thought the restrooms were a good place to escape the fire; they were probably stuck in a crowd crush and forced in there.
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crowoutofcontext posted:Same. I like to think the same, but last week I smelled smoke at work and my coworkers and I spent 20 minutes debating whether the smell was getting stronger and trying to find where it was coming from rather than getting out. By the time we decided to leave, the fire department was already there.
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crowoutofcontext posted:Same. My experience with crisis situations is that the adrenaline makes time slow down, you're able to process decision trees much faster and react with greater reflexes and strength, and you end up doing things you didn't know you were capable of. Or your mind goes blank and you stand there stock still while something could potentially kill you. One of those two.
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Nckdictator posted:Back in 1886 NYPD detective Thomas Byrnes published Professional Criminals of America , an absolutely fascinating look into crime at the time.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Running downhill towards a burning train to escape takes balls and clear headed thinking. Holy poo poo, I would have been dead. It's hard to know how anyone would handle a disaster until it happens, but I remember that when my son almost drowned, I got weirdly calm and in-control. That night when he was in the ICU, I sat in the recliner next to his bed and just watched him sleep. I was way too alert to relax, but I don't remember feeling panicked at all. More of an overriding feeling of "IMPORTANT poo poo IS HAPPENING MUST HANDLE IT." Of course, in a disaster you need to not only be calm, but also have an idea how to handle the situation, and that takes things like knowledge and experience, too.
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pookel posted:It's hard to know how anyone would handle a disaster until it happens, but I remember that when my son almost drowned, I got weirdly calm and in-control. That night when he was in the ICU, I sat in the recliner next to his bed and just watched him sleep. I was way too alert to relax, but I don't remember feeling panicked at all. More of an overriding feeling of "IMPORTANT poo poo IS HAPPENING MUST HANDLE IT." Everyone reacts differently to panic situations. My mom completely panics and basically runs in a circle yelling Help! Help! Help! and will not listen when you tell her what to do. I go completely cold and calculating, it's creepy. My wife stands still but will take direction easily. Once the crisis is over, then I get freaked out.
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The one time I was mugged my immediate reaction was to get angry and repeatedly tell the guy who had a gun pressed to my stomach to gently caress off, which could have gone so much worse than it did. Granted, all I had on me were my keys and the book I'd borrowed from the friend whose house I was walking home from, so it's not like he was getting anything anyway, but dude actually apologized and ran away. I stomped home with my head in the air, but the minute I walked through my own door my knees basically turned to jelly and I realized how loving stupid I'd been. I'm not even a particularly angry person, it sort of surprised me.
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Crow Jane posted:The one time I was mugged my immediate reaction was to get angry and repeatedly tell the guy who had a gun pressed to my stomach to gently caress off, which could have gone so much worse than it did. Granted, all I had on me were my keys and the book I'd borrowed from the friend whose house I was walking home from, so it's not like he was getting anything anyway, but dude actually apologized and ran away. I stomped home with my head in the air, but the minute I walked through my own door my knees basically turned to jelly and I realized how loving stupid I'd been. I'm not even a particularly angry person, it sort of surprised me. That's how it was for me in casino security; tired and frustrated, not actually putting the fact that someone may want you dead/was dead in the front of my head got me through some weird poo poo, weirdly composed. Get back to the break room and have a sudden cry. Also on that note, something I did not know was that when your heat stops, you keep trying to breathe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agonal_respiration It's super unsettling to see a death happen. Wasabi the J has a new favorite as of 18:20 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Wasabi the J posted:That's how it was for me in casino security; tired and frustrated, not actually putting the fact that someone may want you dead/was dead in the front of my head got me through some weird poo poo, weirdly composed. Story on this?
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Nth Doctor posted:Story on this? Sounds like the story was he saw a guy have a heart attack while he working security in a casino
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Underwear posted:Sounds like the story was he saw a guy have a heart attack while he working security in a casino Pretty much; I was doing the worst rotation of the night, standing at the elevator lobby to the "hotel" section, asking to see room keys so that people don't just wander around in the hotel. Got a medical alert in my earpiece, was told to grab the AED and O2 bag, and get there; grabbed it and went to the location. Some guy just dropped right before getting to the elevator with his adult son, he was already deep red/purple, and he was making these awful agonal breaths. We performed compressions for about 10 minutes while the paramedics got there, and took over. The AED wouldn't allow shocks to be administered because his pacemaker was interfering or something.
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Wasabi the J posted:That's how it was for me in casino security; tired and frustrated, not actually putting the fact that someone may want you dead/was dead in the front of my head got me through some weird poo poo, weirdly composed. Okay that's definitely something I did not know and now creeps me out in a whole new way. God drat this thread is one made of eternal nightmares.
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You're not dead when your heart stops. Like you're definitely on your way to being dead but your other organs will function as long as your bloodstream still has a bit of oxygen to offer. When you go into asystole, your spO2 is still high enough to allow some parts of your body to function for a very short time. It's only after you run out of the O2 that your whole body shuts down and really "dies". I think technically it's possible to retain consciousness for a short time after cardiac arrest though typically people are non-responsive before that point.
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This is why I'm so weary of people talking about how they died and were brought back to life. Death is permanent. "I DIED 25 TIMES ON THE OPERATING ROOM TABLE!" 
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I had supraventricular tachycardia as a teenager and I had to go to the ER several times to have my heart 'reset', for lack of a better word, with adenosine. It makes you flatline for a couple of seconds and it gave me tunnel vision and a weird, warm but empty/hollow sensation that started in my chest (obviously) and spread to my limbs. Anyway don't get rhythm disorders, it sucked rear end and I'm glad the ablation procedure I had ended up fixing it. But having your heart stop beating is really weird and I don't recommend it 👌
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The Snoo posted:... It makes you flatline for a couple of seconds... This sounds terrifying. Did the doctors tell you that would happen beforehand? Like, did you go into the procedure knowing that your heart would stop beating while you were conscious?
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The Snoo posted:I had supraventricular tachycardia as a teenager and I had to go to the ER several times to have my heart 'reset', for lack of a better word, with adenosine. It makes you flatline for a couple of seconds and it gave me tunnel vision and a weird, warm but empty/hollow sensation that started in my chest (obviously) and spread to my limbs. Thank goodness you never bullied someone to death as a child or there could have been much worse symptoms. 
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The Snoo posted:I had supraventricular tachycardia as a teenager and I had to go to the ER several times to have my heart 'reset', for lack of a better word, with adenosine. It makes you flatline for a couple of seconds and it gave me tunnel vision and a weird, warm but empty/hollow sensation that started in my chest (obviously) and spread to my limbs. I had a friend with a stack of congenital cardiovascular dysfunctions including missing or incomplete heart valves and walls. Honestly that's just the tip of the iceberg and she had pretty much everything else you could imagine wrong with her other organs too. Because of this, she could not be placed under general anaesthetic so for all of the biopsies and surgeries done she had to be conscious. Later in life she developed a bad case of tachycardia and had to get an ablation. Complications arose with the operation and they had no choice but to sedate her. She never woke up again. Heart disorders are hosed up 
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Karma Monkey posted:Thank goodness you never bullied someone to death as a child or there could have been much worse symptoms. Oh god this just reminded me of an incident at school, this boy was mercilessly bullying me, so one day, utterly hosed off with it, I went and kicked him in the knee. What I didn't realise was he was a hemophiliac and I had dislocated his knee-cap. He was off school for quite some time. And his horrible little toady friend made sure I knew what I had done.
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Rondette posted:Oh god this just reminded me of an incident at school, this boy was mercilessly bullying me, so one day, utterly hosed off with it, I went and kicked him in the knee. How hosed up were you that the kid who could die from a papercut viewed you as prey?
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Yeah, I feel like "don't be a bully" is maybe lesson three or four when you find out you have hemophilia, though.
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Hey Rondette, I don't know what's weaker, your PE score or my platelet count!  *tries to push you, but misses on purpose so I don't hemorrhage my pinky and die*
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Being handicapped doesn't preclude being a douche, it just means you get called out for it less often.. As the man in my old neighborhood who used his position in a wheelchair to tell every woman who passed by how much he'd like to motorboat their tits or go crazy on their rear end was well aware.
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Can I make a book rec? It's about the last days/hours of people who got caught up in the eruption of Mount St. Helens. It's not overly scientific and it's an easy read. It also goes into the history of the area around the park and the mountain, which is useful to understand the motives of a few people involved in the eruption. Also while it does describe the deaths of people, it's not overly gratuitous or gorey. If even that bothers you, it's only mentioned for a few pages, and can probably be skipped. There's some great descriptions of what the area was like during and just after the eruption. Just blast zone quality, like being on the moon. It's called Eruption: the untold story of mount st. helen by Steve Olson I'm pissed they hosed up though with the 'safe areas'. In retrospect, one politician said something like 'oh yeah, I knew there was no danger zone. You can't be 'half pregnant'! I just signed the papers saying X miles away was safe just because.' It's a loving volcano!? Even the scientists weren't sure how or where it would erupt, so maybe get gone while you still can?! Edit: another hosed up thing is John Killian. His body was never recovered and apparently his parents were just devastated. No, really. "Gradually Ralph [Killian's father] became convinced that John was knocked unconscious by the explosion, lost his memory, and fell into a new life. Whenever he passed by a group of loggers, he carefully searched their faces to see if one of them might be John. Once he spotted a logger riding in a Weyerhauser company pickup who was a dead ringer for his son, and he spent his days trying to track down the truck. "I don't know if it was an illusion," he said." Spoilers for the book. Nothing gorey or horrible, honest. Well, maybe it is horrible.
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