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Zas posted:mad men is about the sociopathy inherent in capitalism Also one of the funniest shows on TV when it was on.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:27
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Those are all more satirical than Mad Men, though. (Except for possibly Wall Street, which I haven't seen.) Mad Men, while not necessarily being satirical, definitely does not portray most of it's male cast as good ol' "Men were men" types except on an extreme surface level. Don Draper is a deeply broken man, and the bulk of the episodes are about that. He loving steals another guy's identity in the Korean War! Oh, yea, "men were men back then." 
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Jun 3, 2016 18:27
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Those are all more satirical than Mad Men, though. (Except for possibly Wall Street, which I haven't seen.) I had to go back and ask my mom if it was really like that in the workplace back then. She said, "honey you don't know the half" then proceeded to tell me about all the times she was sexually assaulted by coworkers and bosses in the 60s with no recourse except to leave and try to find another job where it would be just as bad. What kills me is Don Draper is basically my dad minus the material success part.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:27
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Zas posted:mad men is about the sociopathy inherent in capitalism A Winner is Jew posted:Also one of the funniest shows on TV when it was on. Edit: I swear the "one of" wasn't there when I first quoted this. SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 18:27
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More like Stacey Daesh, am I right? She just doesn't know what she's talking about.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:27
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Breaking Bad was way loving funnier. Breaking bad never ran over someone's foot with a ride-on lawnmower. In an office. Several floors up. In midtown Manhattan.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:30
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Stacey Dash ain't been the same since she got on that plane in 'All Falls Down ' rip
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Jun 3, 2016 18:30
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Being charismatic goes a really long ways. Hillary is just so calculated and cold. I don't doubt that Biden is every bit as calculated but he comes off friendly and open. Every woman who's ever been photographed without a smile plastered to her face gets called "cold." We can't undo the effects of twenty years of propaganda about Hillary (I'm not done sorting out what my real feelings about her are, and I'm actively trying) but we can stop repeating stuff like this so the problem at least doesn't get worse. A Winner is Jew posted:Breaking bad never ran over someone's foot with a ride-on lawnmower. And styled it like the Kennedy assassination.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:32
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Yeah Hillary has a certain kind of charisma that really comes out in conflict, like her speech yesterday or the Benghazi hearing.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:34
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The revisionist idea that at one point in time women just sat around and ate bon bons while their husbands worked hit the big time in American culture thanks to Phyllis Schlafly and it's been sticking around ever since. This is, of course, absurd, since women were also expected to be full-time chefs/nannies/maids/social secretaries/sex-providers (and absolutely nothing else) for life, and the massive spike in the divorce rate is both men and women realizing that model is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Not to mention all the racial and class factors that made that model impossible for anyone other than the white upper-middle class. It's a sick fantasy for a world that barely existed for some and did and still degrades everyone involved. I get to hear all about it from my mom, who repeats it back completely oblivious to the needs of other women and how the breadwinner-housewife model played a major role in causing an incredibly toxic divorce.  Realizing The Handmaiden's Tale is American policy porn for some men and women out there continues to be the most depressing thing I know in politics. Combed Thunderclap fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 18:34
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Holy poo poo, Hillary completely eviscerated Trump in today's speech. Good god. Is there a summary of this anywhere
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Jun 3, 2016 18:35
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Every woman who's ever been photographed without a smile plastered to her face gets called "cold." We can't undo the effects of twenty years of propaganda about Hillary (I'm not done sorting out what my real feelings about her are, and I'm actively trying) but we can stop repeating stuff like this so the problem at least doesn't get worse. Ok, I'll switch from cold to guarded and reserved. Not trying to propagate that "smile more" bullshit but you can be a serious person and still be open. Like Warren or even Palin. She might be batshit insane and out of her depth but she was somewhat charismatic.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:37
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re: The topic of No Fly Lists and firearms purchases. I can understand the opposition to extrajudicial lists and restrictions in the abstract, but don't see an alternative. If I'm on ISIS recruitment websites, chatting them up, I expect that I'm going to be put on a list, just like I would be on a list for doing the same thing on snuff porn boards. What's the alternative? Not watch people who could be actively joining a known terrorist organization, and waiting until they succeed in killing folks to respond? That seems stupid if we have the means to otherwise head it off. Now, if they're only applying this sort of scrutiny to Arabs, that's a different problem entirely.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:40
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Regular Nintendo posted:Is there a summary of this anywhere It's pretty much just a list of things Trump has actually done, so Clinton's list of citations gets the gist of it. There's also a transcript here.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:43
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Regular Nintendo posted:Is there a summary of this anywhere http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11843114/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-speech-transcript-foreign-policy She lit him the gently caress up. CNN tried to pull a buzzfeed with "TOP SICK BURNS FROM CLINTON'S SPEECH" and it had thirty four quotes. I like to think CNN did that on purpose just to cram as many of those stabs in as possible but it's CNN and maybe they think that's how you make a list like buzzfeed does. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/hillary-clinton-attack-lines-donald-trump-foreign-policy/index.html Trump took to Twitter to try claiming it was all lies, which didn't work: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/738745426879369216
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Jun 3, 2016 18:44
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Talmonis posted:re: The topic of No Fly Lists and firearms purchases. How many times have you heard "Innocent Muslim put on government list for having a similar name to a terrorist" since 2001? Wasnt Ted Kennedy on it at some point? The government suppressing the rights of citizens for national security is pretty much the original worst-case-scenario for the united states, and we've known that for hundreds of years. MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 18:45
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Combed Thunderclap posted:The revisionist idea that at one point in time women just sat around and ate bon bons while their husbands worked hit the big time in American culture thanks to Phyllis Schlafly and it's been sticking around ever since. Women also always had jobs. Real jobs, for money. Being a full-time housewife has always been as rare as any other kind of idle rich. I know you allude to that a bit, but it frustrates me how many people think that the majority of, say, Victorian women were housewives. It wasn't men dying in the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, it wasn't men painting watches with radium, it wasn't men staffing the department stores and the accounting departments and the computer labs. Not for the most part. Any time you've got a job you don't want to pay much for but you're too racist to let anyone non-white do it, women are your workforce. In history same as now. All you need to do is flip the gender of the workforce to see the prestige and pay magically change - men become film editors and suddenly it's high art worthy of millions. Women become biologists and it's a "soft science" for people who can't hack the real stuff. Arrgytehpirate posted:Ok, I'll switch from cold to guarded and reserved. Not trying to propagate that "smile more" bullshit but you can be a serious person and still be open. Like Warren or even Palin. She might be batshit insane and out of her depth but she was somewhat charismatic. You can, but maybe not after decades of being called a murderer who enables her husband's philandering out of ambition and hearing your daughter referred to as "the White House dog." I try to cut her some slack. I mean, isn't the rebuttal to all that "have a beer with" poo poo that a truly qualified person for president would be so different from you and me we might not have much in common with them and that's okay? Also I'd love to get a drink with Clinton. I bet she has some cool weird old person drink that involves elderflower liqueur and after a couple of them she'll slip into calling Romney "Mittens" again. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 18:45
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Dead Reckoning posted:The 2nd amendment doesn't have anything to do with sports or hunting. One doesn't "bear arms" against whitetail. Right. We need to disarm the maniacs who want to "refresh the tree of liberty" by shooting and killing postal workers, DMV clerks, and the like. MattD1zzl3 posted:"I cant take in huge swathes of popular media without being triggered by cis scum and their gender roles, but YOU are the anti-social one who needs to change". The fact that any criticism of popular media brings down this sort of response makes it very clear where change needs to happen, and it's with whitey.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:47
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Regular Nintendo posted:Is there a summary of this anywhere Here's one in freshly released campaign ad form. https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/738788590306500608
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Jun 3, 2016 18:49
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Women also always had jobs. Real jobs, for money. Being a full-time housewife has always been as rare as any other kind of idle rich. I know you allude to that a bit, but it frustrates me how many people think that the majority of, say, Victorian women were housewives. It wasn't men dying in the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, it wasn't men painting watches with radium, it wasn't men staffing the department stores and the accounting departments and the computer labs. Not for the most part. Any time you've got a job you don't want to pay much for but you're too racist to let anyone non-white do it, women are your workforce. In history same as now. All you need to do is flip the gender of the workforce to see the prestige and pay magically change - men become film editors and suddenly it's high art worthy of millions. Women become biologists and it's a "soft science" for people who can't hack the real stuff. Who the gently caress said biology is a soft science? That poo poo is rough.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:50
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Brainiac Five posted:The fact that any criticism of popular media brings down this sort of response makes it very clear where change needs to happen, and it's with whitey.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:51
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Women also always had jobs. Real jobs, for money. Being a full-time housewife has always been as rare as any other kind of idle rich. I know you allude to that a bit, but it frustrates me how many people think that the majority of, say, Victorian women were housewives. Absolutely, and it definitely bears repeating. Thanks for highlighting that TB!  All the more reason the bon bon fantasy is so absurd.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:51
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Talmonis posted:re: The topic of No Fly Lists and firearms purchases. Maybe more transparency? If you could call up the TSA and say "hey, why am I on the no-fly list?" and they'd tell you that would help, and it would be a huge improvement to the process if people placed on the list in error had speedy recourse for clearing their names and getting off the list. Also if we stopped putting people on the list for things like "thinks apartheid is bad" but let's not kid ourselves. Arrgytehpirate posted:Who the gently caress said biology is a soft science? That poo poo is rough. Douchebags!
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Jun 3, 2016 18:52
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Who the gently caress said biology is a soft science? That poo poo is rough. They don't have to take calculus based physics therefore they are inferior to real majors like engineering.  Organic chemistry? That poo poo is easy, give me a few billion dollars and I'll have it all solved.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:53
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A Winner is Jew posted:Breaking bad never ran over someone's foot with a ride-on lawnmower. Or had a guy fail to commit suicide cause the broken car he's knowingly selling doesn't start.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:56
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zoux posted:Here's one in freshly released campaign ad form. Holy gently caress. I know there are people that will stand by him no matter what but I cannot believe for a second people wouldn't be phased by this.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:56
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hobbesmaster posted:They don't have to take calculus based physics therefore they are inferior to real majors like engineering. This is a real argument people make? 
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Jun 3, 2016 18:58
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On Terra Firma posted:Holy gently caress. I know there are people that will stand by him no matter what but I cannot believe for a second people wouldn't be phased by this. Fazed  I live on a coast among lovely people where the bumper sticker-plastered pickup truck contingent mostly admonishes me to C03X!$T but the few Trump supporters I've talked to seem to think his stubby-fingered rages are a strong point, that he'll "show everyone who's boss." Combed Thunderclap posted:This is a real argument people make? I also get a whiff of "If you care about living things you're a pussy," which is also an attitude women who go into OB/GYN and pediatrics catch. Even though they're heavily pushed into those fields in the first place. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 19:00
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zoux posted:Here's one in freshly released campaign ad form. Lol they applied a yellow filter to all the clips of Trump. But the ad is probably better than the speech, nothing is as effective as Trump's own words.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:01
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Males & Females Share Public Restrooms in NYC! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzKe9kkHcgg
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Jun 3, 2016 19:02
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MariusLecter posted:Males & Females Share Public Restrooms in NYC! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzKe9kkHcgg The kids are alright 
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Jun 3, 2016 19:05
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol they applied a yellow filter to all the clips of Trump. That might hurt her chances connecting with the Terminal Liver Failure demographic in USPol.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:05
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On Terra Firma posted:Holy gently caress. I know there are people that will stand by him no matter what but I cannot believe for a second people wouldn't be phased by this. Not only will people be affected by it but the national networks are suddenly having a change of heart and getting on the bash Trump bandwagon as well.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:06
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Not only will people be affected by it but the national networks are suddenly having a change of heart and getting on the bash Trump bandwagon as well. The networks want drama. So long as the Clinton campaign continues on this path they should be able to deliver drama without engaging Trump at his level. Debates will be interesting.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:07
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I'm not saying this is a sea change or that HRC won't gently caress something up or a terrorism won't happen, but certainly the media for Trump today and yesterday has been  Before, when one of these bad cycles would start to gently caress with him, he'd win big in some primaries to switch the narrative and bail him out. No more votes until November : /
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Jun 3, 2016 19:08
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zoux posted:I'm not saying this is a sea change or that HRC Holy poo poo i thought for my whole life this was "Seed change" and was about to stupidly call you out on it.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:10
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On Terra Firma posted:Holy gently caress. I know there are people that will stand by him no matter what but I cannot believe for a second people wouldn't be phased by this. Clicking on that link lead to dozens of people responding with close ups of Hillary trying to make her look ugly and "what about Benghazi" over and over, very predictable.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:13
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Maybe more transparency? If you could call up the TSA and say "hey, why am I on the no-fly list?" and they'd tell you that would help, and it would be a huge improvement to the process if people placed on the list in error had speedy recourse for clearing their names and getting off the list. Also if we stopped putting people on the list for things like "thinks apartheid is bad" but let's not kid ourselves. This is good stuff. Might even scare the young and stupid who were testing the waters into thinking twice before going Jihadi. "Why am I on this list?" "Oh, because we're watching you since you've been talking to known terrorists. Anything else we can help you with today?" Speedy recourse in clearing things up would be the best though. And yeah...that'd be nice to stop the openly racist garbage that the CIA and FBI "used to" get up to.
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zoux posted:Here's one in freshly released campaign ad form. That is a goddamn sledgehammer of an ad. Hope we see a dozen more just like it.
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