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Ur Getting Fatter posted:Really hope he posts a picture of his lawn and it's like the loving savannah. In the comments someone tracked it down. 
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Ah, yes, now I can clearly see all the...landscaping...he mentioned. I hope the business he plans to start in order to get the thing re-zoned is going to be dandelion seed wholesale.
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Jun 2, 2016 22:05
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Are you seriously cheering on legally forcing someone to mow their lawn, because that is hosed up. *no doubt law tells him to do it, but why* doverhog fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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Jun 2, 2016 23:49
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doverhog posted:Are you seriously cheering on legally forcing someone to mow their lawn, because that is hosed up. Most cities have laws requiring homeowners to maintain their property. A shabby house depresses property values in the area, so it's not a matter of it not affecting anyone else.
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Jun 2, 2016 23:52
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doverhog posted:Are you seriously cheering on legally forcing someone to mow their lawn, because that is hosed up. I'm cheering it on, yes, and no its not hosed up because adults understand that the political process is our agreed format of interpersonal boundaries and responsibilities and that sometimes you have to do things that you don't want to do, and acting like something is a travesty when it isn't is called "throwing a tantrum."
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Deteriorata posted:Most cities have laws requiring homeowners to maintain their property. A shabby house depresses property values in the area, so it's not a matter of it not affecting anyone else. It's also a hazard; fire, vermin, etc.
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Jun 3, 2016 00:30
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Make up my mind, are weeds legal yet or not
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Jun 3, 2016 00:36
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doverhog posted:Are you seriously cheering on legally forcing someone to mow their lawn, because that is hosed up. Lawn ordinances are stupid but that guy is drunk on sovereign citizen koolaid and actually compared cutting his lawn with acquiescing to Hitler's rise to power. It's awesome, and yet probably not fake.
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Jun 3, 2016 00:56
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His yard is also a trash heap. Of course he can't mow it; there's junk strewn all over it. A junk-filled yard is a horrendous quality in a neighbor, because it just becomes a Club Med for rats and possums.
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Jun 3, 2016 05:42
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His house seems to be right on a highway as well, so I can see why the city would throw the book at him. Where I live, there is a rule that if you don't mow, they can hire contractors to do it and send you the bill, in addition to fining you.
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Jun 3, 2016 06:22
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doverhog posted:Are you seriously cheering on legally forcing someone to mow their lawn, because that is hosed up. That's how you get bitten by a snake.
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Jun 3, 2016 06:28
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If this is allowed to stand next they will be telling you what colour you can paint your house.
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Jun 3, 2016 07:58
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Bad Munki posted:If all goes well, we'll get to hear about a budding sovcit getting tazed for not mowing his lawn! "So I've been pouring [sic] through state statutes and local code and watching those hilarious videos of judges getting all sputtery when their logical fallacies are exposed." Where are these videos? This is what I was talking about before. e. Hahaha his dad owns the property...I wonder if daddy has asked babby anarchist to just mow the goddamn grass already. "No you shut the gently caress up dad! I'M NOT CUTTING THE GRASS! gently caress YOU I WON'T DO WHATCHA TELL ME!" Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 12:46
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doverhog posted:If this is allowed to stand next they will be telling you what colour you can paint your house. Excellent troll. You got me good.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:"So I've been pouring [sic] through state statutes and local code and watching those hilarious videos of judges getting all sputtery when their logical fallacies are exposed." I think it happened on House once? Maybe that's what he's talking about. Alternately, just watch any sovcit courtroom footage, but put on your anarchist autism goggles first so you can perceive it in a way that is favorable to whatever cause you have.
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Jun 3, 2016 14:10
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Most judges do get all spluttery when confronted by Sovereign Citizen spiels, but then anyone would struggle to maintain coherence when trying to have a meaningful conversation with someone who is effectively speaking in tongues.
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Jun 3, 2016 14:41
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Speaking in tongues...of unlimited legal power???
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Like I saw one video where a guy is fighting a traffic ticket. The judge is setting his trial date and he keeps saying all the sov cot bullshit, no jurisdiction, I'll send you an invoice for my time spent addressing this charge, I was traveling not driving, etc. The judge just keeps saying "I don't really know what you're trying to tell me, but I will tell you again: I'm setting a trial for this date, it's your choice whether you come or not, but if you don't come we will hold the trial without you."
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Jun 3, 2016 15:03
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Phil Moscowitz posted:The judge just keeps saying "I don't really know what you're trying to tell me" Ah HA! Game, set, match.
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Bad Munki posted:Speaking in tongues...of unlimited legal power??? Here's a good citizen owning a judge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06VzxxDTnB8 "I speak for myself, of myself, and in myself." lol
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Jun 3, 2016 15:07
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I just started that video and I already feel sorry for the judge.
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That worked out pretty well for him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbVWY_dQQoc
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Jun 3, 2016 15:19
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Phil Moscowitz posted:That worked out pretty well for him. I like the hat with a feather in it. But seriously, why is it so hard to understand that you let that guy talk, then you get to talk?
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Jun 3, 2016 15:30
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spacetoaster posted:I like the hat with a feather in it. But seriously, why is it so hard to understand that you let that guy talk, then you get to talk? For the same reason he doesn't understand literally anything else happening around him? He's gotta cast his spell, if he lets the other guy go first, his spell won't work (it didn't work this time because clearly everyone else cheated and didn't respect his words of power.) The sad thing is, from the first video, the woman who I assume is probably his daughter? nodding away the whole time, she's soaking it up and is going to perpetuate this poo poo just the same as he is, and they're all going to sit around and bitch about how he was right and was cheated in spite of having done everything correctly, and then try the exact same thing again next time.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:33
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Bad Munki posted:and they're all going to sit around and bitch about how he was right and was cheated in spite of having done everything correctly, and then try the exact same thing again next time.
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Bad Munki posted:For the same reason he doesn't understand literally anything else happening around him? He's gotta cast his spell, if he lets the other guy go first, his spell won't work (it didn't work this time because clearly everyone else cheated and didn't respect his words of power.) Do they never notice the fundamental flaw in their reasoning here? If people can just ignore them, they weren't really words of power in the first place. Like, if they were to just go "I refuse to acknowledge the authority of this court: do whatever you're going to do" and leave it that, that'd at least be a coherent if stupid act of civil disobedience. But all of the painstaking effort that goes into the precise formatting of the bullshit they're spouting has nothing to do with fairness or justice and everything to do with some supposed set of secret legal cheat codes that judges are bound to obey, so the only possible justification for it is if it works, which it demonstrably doesn't. Thuryl fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 16:01
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Thuryl posted:Do they never notice the fundamental flaw in their reasoning here? If people can just ignore them, they weren't really words of power in the first place. Now would be a good time for someone to re-post that write-up the one judge took the time to do. It was, like, half analysis of the sovcit movement and beliefs, and half "so you've got a sovcit in your courtroom" primer. Good stuff.
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Jun 3, 2016 16:06
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Bad Munki posted:For the same reason he doesn't understand literally anything else happening around him? He's gotta cast his spell, if he lets the other guy go first, his spell won't work (it didn't work this time because clearly everyone else cheated and didn't respect his words of power.) That's funny because now that I look at the video the guy does have a giant wizard's tome in front of him.
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Jun 3, 2016 16:08
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"You've gotta pick me up" was the best part of the followup there.
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Jun 3, 2016 16:11
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Bad Munki posted:"You've gotta pick me up" was the best part of the followup there. It would have been funny if the officer was like: "I'm not picking up poo poo." *wheels him out on his rolling chair*
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Thuryl posted:Do they never notice the fundamental flaw in their reasoning here? If people can just ignore them, they weren't really words of power in the first place. No, it just proves how corrupt the judges are because they won't follow the real laws.
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Jun 3, 2016 16:16
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I think I have that judges sovcit opinion in my avatar.
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Jun 3, 2016 16:22
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Regarding lawns, I'd love to turn my lawn into a nice lovely prairie full of native species but then again this happens: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-02/news/ct-met-weeds-dispute-0602-20120602_1_weeds-case-returns-prairie-garden quote:The dispute began simply enough, with a neighbor's complaints about the plants behind a southwest suburban couple's backyard. Where the neighbor saw weeds, the two U.S. EPA employees who lived in the home saw an environmentally friendly prairie garden. Also in Chicago it's a strict violation, so mowing it after citation doesn't get you out of it, and it's a $300 minimum fine. And 'weeds' include random plants that may/may not be weeds and it's not like a judge is going to know what's up.
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She set his bond and scheduled him for hearing. When he showed up: "Ernie Wayne terTelgte, 52, appeared in Gallatin County Justice Court briefly Monday afternoon for an omnibus hearing. Judge Rick West asked terTelgte to remove his three-cornered hat in the courtroom. TerTelgte refused to do so and launched into his “Natural Man” speech. After asking the defendant to stop speaking three times, West held him in contempt of court and ordered sheriff’s deputies to haul him to jail for 30 days." "Deputy Matthew Boxmeyer tried to get terTelgte to put his hands behind his back so he could handcuff him. TerTelgte responded by telling Boxmeyer that he had no authority to arrest him. Three deputies took terTelgte to the ground and handcuffed him." http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/crime/natural-man-jailed-again/article_6d910b4a-8834-11e3-9850-0019bb2963f4.html
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The lower the court, the more experience the judge has with this poo poo, as it's far more common with parking tickets and lawn ordinances than murder or whatever. The judge I worked with stuck to his script, and whenever they said the magic nonsense words he just parsed it as a request to repeat himself more slowly and clearly. The court coordinator and I just sat there exchanging eyerolls and trying not to giggle. It usually worked eventually. One woman faked(?) a panic attack and got her date reset. She was no better-prepared next time but was better-behaved.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:04
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My original impetus to post was that Finland has no *mow their lawn" law and the vermin don't seem to run over things yet. The HOA followup was just pure inspiration. Thank you.
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Thuryl posted:Like, if they were to just go "I refuse to acknowledge the authority of this court: do whatever you're going to do" and leave it that, that'd at least be a coherent if stupid act of civil disobedience. But all of the painstaking effort that goes into the precise formatting of the bullshit they're spouting has nothing to do with fairness or justice and everything to do with some supposed set of secret legal cheat codes that judges are bound to obey, so the only possible justification for it is if it works, which it demonstrably doesn't.
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doverhog posted:My original impetus to post was that Finland has no *mow their lawn" law and the vermin don't seem to run over things yet. The HOA followup was just pure inspiration. Thank you. Finland probably doesn't have an extensive rational basis test jurisprudence that allows any law so long as somebody can think up a facially plausible excuse for the law. Even if you can't manage that, the judge will usually do it for you.
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Say a person discovered bed bugs in his apartment building. Say it has around 30 units and units near this person's apartment have been recently vacated and he has not slept away nor brought anything in to the apartment that could harbor bed bugs. Say he notified the ll in writing per the lease immediately. Say an exterminator is scheduled to come in for the first treatment 5 days after notification. What can he expect to recover and should he wait to send a demand until all the expenses are known? Say he is staying with his parents until at least the first treatment and will have to wash 30 loads of laundry and have 4 suits, 2 sports coats and about 20 suit separate pants dry cleaned. He will have to replace bedding. Would it be better for him to return after the first treatment or wait for all treatments to complete after about a month? E: say this is in Indiana. BgRdMchne fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Does the lease include any provisions regarding bed bugs? Some apartments make you disclaim any liability towards the apartment complex for bed bugs
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