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At a certain point, I think people like that simply cannot be fixed, so we might as well just keep them away from society where they can't affect anyone with their dangerous levels of stupidity. At least schizophrenics can be treated; there's no treatment for fatal levels of willful ignorance.
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Jun 3, 2016 22:29
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Nathan Cullen announced that he won't be running for the leadership. gently caress.
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Jun 3, 2016 22:41
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Arabian Jesus posted:Nathan Cullen announced that he won't be running for the leadership. gently caress. It's a huge bummer. He's one of those rare good politicians who are actually also good persons.
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Jun 3, 2016 22:48
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You would think the big national tragedy right now is ticketmaster loving people out of Tragically Hip tickets right now if my fb feed is to be believed.
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Jun 3, 2016 23:12
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It is a fairly clear case of ticket master bullshit - one of the few national tragedies that has a clear solution.
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Jun 3, 2016 23:26
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Not going to lie, living on the Death Floor sounds rad as gently caress 
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Jun 3, 2016 23:28
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PT6A posted:Speaking of idiots who believe retarded things: Claiming your murder victim "came back to life" is certainly a ballsy defense plan.
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Oh my god I finally got the current thread title. That's horrible. Congratulations to whomever came up with that.
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Helsing posted:Before patting ourselves on the back too hard let's keep in mind we regularly construct buildings without a 13th floor. One of the joys of working in the maritime environment is all the quaint superstitions floating around, as it were. I had a guy working for me on a survey who would not use the number "13". My data sheets would come back with "Transect 12+1" or "Station 12+1". It was weird, but then so was he. He was rumoured to be a quality mix of ex-Special Forces and heavy drug use. While I like to point and laugh at this stuff I still get twitchy around tinned food that's been opened upside down. Just a little something left over from my childhood and skippers yelling about it.
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Hexigrammus posted:One of the joys of working in the maritime environment is all the quaint superstitions floating around, as it were. I had a guy working for me on a survey who would not use the number "13". My data sheets would come back with "Transect 12+1" or "Station 12+1". It was weird, but then so was he. He was rumoured to be a quality mix of ex-Special Forces and heavy drug use. That sounds pretty annoying when you have to work with those numbers and translate them all to 13 in your head. I was just working on a set of old plans that had weird dimensions like " 12' 16" ". What?? you mean 13'4" ?? I can't tell if superstitious or just a lazy architect who increased the size of something and didn't want to re-do as much text.
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Arivia posted:Oh my god I finally got the current thread title. That's horrible. Congratulations to whomever came up with that. 
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Baronjutter posted:Chinese should just come up with a new word for four that doesn't scare them so much. I love how that is even a thing. We can name numbers anything we want, so let's name one of our numbers a scary homophone so we'll be frightened of this number  Superstition over 13 or other numbers is dumb as well, but the Chinese superstition over 4 has to be the dumbest.
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BattleMaster posted:I love how that is even a thing. We can name numbers anything we want, so let's name one of our numbers a scary homophone so we'll be frightened of this number We can't even get people to agree to change our national anthem, what are the chances you could convince someone to use a different word for a number. See also: France's stubborn refusal to adopt superior Swiss words for 70, 80 and 90.
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PT6A posted:We can't even get people to agree to change our national anthem, what are the chances you could convince someone to use a different word for a number. See also: France's stubborn refusal to adopt superior Swiss words for 70, 80 and 90. I'm not advocating changing it, I just think that it's great that the language evolved in a way that even made this a problem to begin with. And also they (and other people who are afraid of certain numbers) should grow up and realize that numbers are inherently meaningless and aren't going to hurt them.
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why didn't white people change the word 'four', it sounds like 'for' and 'fore' and it's confusing
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Scorchy posted:why didn't white people change the word 'four', it sounds like 'for' and 'fore' and it's confusing Tons of languages have homophones, it's just rare that something becomes scary just because it has a scary word as a homophone. It would be more like people shying away from "which" because it sounds like "witch" and witches are scary edit: also I didn't say that they should change it, just that they should get over it edit 2: white people should get over 13 being a scary number too BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Stay classy Wildrose Notley is pretty much Stalin I guess.
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de_dust posted:Stay classy Wildrose At this point, I feel like whoever directs policy for that gaggle of retards is pretty much in the "hold my beer and watch this!" stage.
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Jun 4, 2016 06:39
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de_dust posted:Stay classy Wildrose As a historian of Russia I'm offended by this part of the CBC article. quote:In 1932 and 1933, the Soviet regime under Joseph Stalin put in policies to deliberately trigger a famine in Ukraine. Millions perished. An estimated 300,000 of the survivors or their descendents live in Alberta. because it takes a controversial historical debate and just outright states one side of it as fact. But then again it is the official stance of literally every Ukrainian in Canada so I guess their research was "ask the Ukrainian guy in the office what happened and write down what he said word for word".
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Based on the Ukrainians I've dealt with: are we quite sure they didn't starve to death because they were so drunk they just forgot to eat?
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I'm starting a Kickstarter to fund a monument to the victims of environmental legislation. Several conservative MPs have pledged their support privately.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:I'm starting a Kickstarter to fund a monument to the victims of environmental legislation. Several conservative MPs have pledged their support privately.
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vyelkin posted:As a historian of Russia I'm offended by this part of the CBC article. It's also the official stance of the Government of Canada. http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/u-0.4/FullText.html
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PT6A posted:superior Swiss words for 70, 80 and 90 Never take a class from PT6A on sociolinguistics, apparently. Speaking of superstition, anyone who takes the Bathurst streetcar far enough will discover that the half-house between 664 and 668 Bathurst is...664A Bathurst.
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vyelkin posted:As a historian of Russia I'm offended by this part of the CBC article. So you actually have a Ph.D in Russian history and study it for a living, right?
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Guy DeBorgore posted:So you actually have a Ph.D in Russian history and study it for a living, right? What are you trying to say here? Because he doesn't have the 'proper' credentials he can't critique the potrayal of the Ukranian famine by the media. But the Media can portray the Ukranian famine however they like, because reasons?
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Yeah pretty much But if not then I'm technically a PhD in rhetoric
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It's cool to do amateur history, it can give you fun stories to tell at parties and maybe you can critique the media portrayal of, say, Winston Churchill. But when your hobby is telling people that a historical genocide was actually just a series of coincidental food shortages and anyway only 200 000 people died, that's weird as gently caress and you should go hang out with the Turks and Serbs who are doing the same thing.
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A PhD makes you a specialist in the topic of your dissertation which is an extremely focused area of a field. It doesn't make you a specialist in the entire field. Like just because you studied the types of accessories worn by Russian military officers during the period of 1765-1867 doesn't allow you to speak with authority on Stalin's genocides. To do that you would've had to publish peer reviewed research on Stalin's genocides.
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cowofwar posted:A PhD makes you a specialist in the topic of your dissertation which is an extremely focused area of a field. It doesn't make you a specialist in the entire field. Like how CI is widely recognized for his proofs that Vancouverites are all mewling faggots, but that doesn't mean we should believe him when he says stoners should die in a fire.
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Guy DeBorgore posted:It's cool to do amateur history, it can give you fun stories to tell at parties and maybe you can critique the media portrayal of, say, Winston Churchill. But when your hobby is telling people that a historical genocide was actually just a series of coincidental food shortages and anyway only 200 000 people died, that's weird as gently caress and you should go hang out with the Turks and Serbs who are doing the same thing. So we can't critique portions of history where people have suffered? Well, I hope you're firmly sitting in your chair cause I'm about to rock your world...... humanity is suffering. Also what are your thoughts on this: http://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/13291/
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never happy posted:So we can't critique portions of history where people have suffered? Well, I hope you're firmly sitting in your chair cause I'm about to rock your world...... humanity is suffering. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3769585
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Looks like a D&D thread. I'm not sure you understand what I'm trying to get at. Journalists shouldn't just inject their interpretations of an event. Having a paragraph that throws around "millions died" and "deliberately triggered" like it ain't no thing isn't good journalism.
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never happy posted:Looks like a D&D thread. Its not journalism, its Something Awful Forums Posting! Oh wait, there really isnt any difference these days. Read a wiki article, watch a youtube video then 
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never happy posted:Looks like a D&D thread. And millions did die, BTW.
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SoggyBobcat posted:Ah. So the truth is somewhere in the middle, then? I'm not disputing any of the interpretations of the famine. But when you have something as politically charged as the holomodor, lazy journalism shouldn't all of a sudden become acceptable.
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hmmmm. Lots of people are saying this. But some people are saying that. I guess I'll just go with my gut on this one. - that journalist
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Guy DeBorgore posted:So you actually have a Ph.D in Russian history and study it for a living, right? Studying for a Ph.D in Russian history, yeah, what's your point? Guy DeBorgore posted:It's cool to do amateur history, it can give you fun stories to tell at parties and maybe you can critique the media portrayal of, say, Winston Churchill. But when your hobby is telling people that a historical genocide was actually just a series of coincidental food shortages and anyway only 200 000 people died, that's weird as gently caress and you should go hang out with the Turks and Serbs who are doing the same thing. a) I'm not an amateur historian, I literally get paid actual US Dollars to study the history of Russia. That being said, my dissertation doesn't focus on the Holodomor so I'm not the world expert on this one subject. b) I didn't say anything about my personal stance on the issue, I said that this is a controversial historical topic, which it is. You're the one who filled in a bunch of weird Holodomor denial stuff in my post, which is kind of strange for you to do. The historical debate over the topic is about intentionality, not about it being a coincidence or about really how half a dozen people died and it was no big deal. Not that anyone actually cares, but the debate here is whether Stalin and/or the upper echelons of the Politburo intentionally caused a famine in Ukraine to try and weaken Ukraine as a site of resistance to Soviet power, or whether they unintentionally caused that famine through a combination of negligence and neglect, i.e. they were trying to extract an agricultural surplus to benefit other regions of the USSR and other parts of the economy and either a) legitimately believed their own propaganda about Ukrainian kulaks having tons of grain hidden away, and thus they wouldn't starve to death; or b) simply didn't care what happened to the Ukrainian peasants as long as they got their agricultural surplus. Either way, there aren't any legitimate historians who are claiming the Holodomor was no big deal. The debate is entirely one of intentionality, and therefore whether it counts as the official definition of a genocide, since genocide requires intent. And, as I mentioned briefly in my first post, the Ukrainian academic community and the Ukrainian-Canadian community and the Ukrainian-Canadian academic community are all firmly in the first camp, of believing Stalin purposefully perpetrated an intentional genocide against Ukraine. And this stance has been promoted by Canadian politicians who are keen to a) get Ukrainian-Canadian votes, and b) demonize Russian Communism as the worst thing ever, see for example our national memorial to the victims of Communism. So it's unsurprising that the Canadian government takes this as their official stance, but I'm still not convinced it's responsible journalism for the CBC to take one side of a lively academic debate and just state it as fact, since the vast majority of CBC readers haven't read the academic works on this topic. tl;dr, thanks for your condescending attitude but I actually do have an idea of what I'm talking about and am not an amateur Winston Churchill historian.
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