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I'm surprised to hear Pak is on the chopping block, given that I've read nothing but good things about him here in the thread. He's a neat concept. I kind of group him with Trog and Okawaru in my mind as the gods of War. Trog is the god of bloodshed. Oka is the god of skill in battle. Pak is the god of killing things with a magical shotgun. The magical end of the martial warrior spectrum of Gods. Basically the Vehumet of muscle wizards.
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I don't think every concept needs to be perfectly 'clean' to make a good god. For what's its worth, I like pakellas and nemelex. I wish nemelex had more permanent effects like the old days- a one-time draw from a special deck with the good results from the old deck of wonders at ***** would go a long way to bring some of that magic back.
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Jun 5, 2016 06:35
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Any tips for playing Pakellas / a deep dwarf? If he's going away I want to get that sweet DDAr action before the end of 0.18.
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Jun 5, 2016 07:05
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Tips for playing a DD: don't
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Arivia posted:Any tips for playing Pakellas / a deep dwarf? If he's going away I want to get that sweet DDAr action before the end of 0.18. Don't be DDAr Be a DDFi or DDGl and start going into evo after pakellas gives you some good poo poo. Artificer is a really bad start.
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Jun 5, 2016 07:37
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Counterpoint: Play a DDFi of Pakellas, understand that it's entirely different from usual Crawl. Once you hit the Pak altar the game becomes all about damage taken versus piety gained. Not much can outright kill you, but woe to the DD who runs out of piety and HW charges.
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Jun 5, 2016 07:40
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This is my official request to not remove Pakellas. Tolly, you should tell the thread about that Evoc troll you made.
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Jun 5, 2016 07:58
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it was a fairly competent troll and the pakellas evocations power curve flattened out the troll post-early game difficulty rise but it wasn't like fukken incredible i don't think pakellas is in any danger though 
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Jun 5, 2016 08:07
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Artificer is a really bad start. I was talking about this when the wand change hit (which was a great change btw, new wands rule), and I still think artificers should start with a good damage wand. You could hand them Iceblast (9) and it still wouldn't be as good as berserker or assassin. ICEBLAST OR RIOT
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Cool and good change to Jewelry AquirementStoryTime posted:I was talking about this when the wand change hit (which was a great change btw, new wands rule), and I still think artificers should start with a good damage wand. You could hand them Iceblast (9) and it still wouldn't be as good as berserker or assassin. Don't do this World Famous W fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Jun 5, 2016 08:22
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PleasingFungus posted:if you haven't died yet, please check the up-stairs and report back. humor me.
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Jun 5, 2016 08:31
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What a time to be an octopode.
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StoryTime posted:What a time to be an octopode.
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Poison Mushroom posted:Counterpoint: You're still an octopode. Octopodes are really fun actually. But they must get so chilly in the dungeon. I wish there was something they could wear around their shoulders to keep them warmer.
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PleasingFungus I know you are admin, please let me out of this labyrinth.  Edit: Something is loving wrong with the web version of Crawl, offline Okawaru never ever has gifted anything even remotely fitting to me in a timely fashion. Just entered Lair:8, playing on insanely laggy CBRO: 
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kalstrams posted:PleasingFungus I know you are admin, please let me out of this labyrinth. You're pretty set. that eveningstar is great.
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BigFactory posted:You're pretty set. that eveningstar is great. 
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Cleared Swamp and Spider (tabbed through both basically, except for the white and yellow corrosion guys in the early Spider. Should I head now into Slime, Elven Halls, or somewhere else?   About skills. 16.1 on M&F and stopped, 12.2 and 14.0 on Invocations and Dodging respectively - should I keep them up further on?
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kalstrams posted:Cleared Swamp and Spider (tabbed through both basically, except for the white and yellow corrosion guys in the early Spider. Should I head now into Slime, Elven Halls, or somewhere else? Is that mindelay for your weapon? You can check by looking at it in your inventory. If not, I'd say get there. Pick up some armor training if you haven't already? Fighting is also Cool and Good, since it helps you Not Die. (remember: Kill Dudes -> switch to Not Be Killed By Dudes when your kill dudes ability is good -> Kill Dudes -> etc. is the general dummy's guide for skills) Don't go Slime - that's more endgame. You can dip into Elf if you want, but I would stay away for now - some scary stuff in there. (You have some decent MR, but a bit of rF/rC wouldn't hurt...) I'd say clear the Orc Mines / Dungeon if you haven't already. Then start working at Vaults up to/including 4, then figure out where to go from there.
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It is mindelay for an eveningstar. You don't need any more invo(in fact, you don't even need as much as you have, although it's not a waste either because you have spirit shield). If you have found any of: Lamp of Fire, Phial of Floods, Sack of Spiders, Box of Beasts, I would train some evocations. Besides that, if you have enough skill for your large shield, train Fighting/Armor/Dodging. Basically till the end of the game. Clear Orc and Dungeon, do vaults 1-4, do depths(carefully!), then do either abyss, slime, or vaults 5. Slime is not too hard if you're careful and have rCorr(and buff with everything you have before fighting TRJ, and kill him preferably while standing on upstairs and use consumables to get away from the stuff he's spawned while you killed him), Abyss is usually not too hard but can vary quite a bit, and V5 is in my opinion usually the hardest of these for your 3rd rune. LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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5 more skill needed for the shield, so I'm still training that. I'll stop training invocations, and postpone training evocations until I find something of the four items mentioned. Orc and Dungeon already cleared, will go Vaults 1-4 now, then Depths. Edit: Do I have to take the Swamp rune out of the Vault lock?
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Race/class/god suggestion for me, who wants to start a run melee and transition into a big armored magic blaster?
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I think it would be easier to start as a caster and progress into armor. Hill Orc fire elementalist you could get away with decently heavy armor because of their natural Str gain. God could be Vehumet, Sif, Ash, or if you really wanna mix very heavy armor and spells Chei.kalstrams posted:Edit: Do I have to take the Swamp rune out of the Vault lock?
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IronicDongz posted:I think it would be easier to start as a caster and progress into armor. Hill Orc fire elementalist you could get away with decently heavy armor because of their natural Str gain. God could be Vehumet, Sif, Ash, or if you really wanna mix very heavy armor and spells Chei. I've tried living the Chei every-man dream build before. It never works.
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How dangerous would it be to play with 2 Int? Edit: How much Evocation do I want for Box of Beasts? cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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kalstrams posted:How dangerous would it be to play with 2 Int? Not very dangerous if you're not a caster and haven't gone beyond Lair/Orc/S branches, but after that you run into more enemies that can hit you with stat loss and you're one bad roll away from brainless which is pretty much a game ender. Of course if you want to cast anything at all, Int 2 is pretty much worthless. And evo at 9 was giving me beasts that could easily handle eight-headed hydrae.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Not very dangerous if you're not a caster and haven't gone beyond Lair/Orc/S branches, but after that you run into more enemies that can hit you with stat loss and you're one bad roll away from brainless which is pretty much a game ender. Of course if you want to cast anything at all, Int 2 is pretty much worthless. And evo at 9 was giving me beasts that could easily handle eight-headed hydrae.  I have 8 Int right now, without wearing it.
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The worst feeling on Gozag is popping your first 4 shops at once; 2 weapon shops, 1 armor shop, and a jewelry shop, and finding only an ok ring. edit: two more shops, armor and general. Still nothing, drat it! editedit: AND Orc is only two levels. What the hell. edit^3: With poo poo shops. Emmideer fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Misclicked something on keyboard and went down the Hell stairs. I need to disable loving vi hotkey garbage, I bet that was it.
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jon joe posted:The worst feeling on Gozag is popping your first 4 shops at once; 2 weapon shops, 1 armor shop, and a jewelry shop, and finding only an ok ring. Orc is only two levels anymore nowadays, yeah Gozag is basically floor god taken to extremes and I love/hate him. kalstrams posted:Misclicked something on keyboard and went down the Hell stairs. I need to disable loving vi hotkey garbage, I bet that was it. afaik there is nothing on vikeys that would cause you to go down a stair (also vikeys are good and fast and efficient and I recommend everyone learn them, but That's Just My Opinion)
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I love that Harold got confused when he threw a net at me and I reflected it back at him. I think I'd be pretty confused too.
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kalstrams posted:gently caress, I need Int somewhere, and to think once more if I need evocations if I want to wear this: The -Int is on a ring so you can always swap it really quickly if you run across something that drains int. I'd still wear it.
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Someone Awful! posted:Orc is only two levels anymore nowadays, yeah Now just to figure out how to escape Hell. Edit: Out of Hell, time to go somewhere scary, I guess.  
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Zaodai posted:I love that Harold got confused when he threw a net at me and I reflected it back at him. He's not confused, he's stuck under the net. The indication that something is awake and can be stabbed is a ? in every case, confused or not. kalstrams posted:Now just to figure out how to escape Hell. You can leave the same way you came in. If you're referring to being in one of the four hell branches and there's enemies you escaped from on a higher level you don't have to worry, all upstairs things bring you right to the vestibule, which you can just walk right out of.
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Someone Awful! posted:Orc is only two levels anymore nowadays, yeah It's the correct opinion. Everyone who doesn't like vikeys is bad and wrong  .kalstrams posted:I misclicked something next to G You probably just hit GH to go to hell.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:You probably just hit GH to go to hell.
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If you splat this character, you're going to be kicking yourself for a long time .
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You can probably tackle Elf, if you're feelin it - but I'd make sure to read up on the various things that come around/Elf in general. It can go bad pretty quickly, if you aren't careful. Otherwise? Figure out how to crack V:5, probably. I suggest heavily buffing (haste!!) before going down the stairs. Also read a magic map scroll on V:5 if you get the chance, so you know where you're at if you have to teleport. Watch out for vault wardens!
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C7ty1 posted:You can probably tackle Elf, if you're feelin it - but I'd make sure to read up on the various things that come around/Elf in general. It can go bad pretty quickly, if you aren't careful. Poison Mushroom posted:If you splat this character, you're going to be kicking yourself for a long time . 
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