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So I guess it's mostly just a holdover from earlier comic books days when his tech was actually something special and powerful, combined with his popularity. All the other tech based characters are either third rate (like Doc Octopus and stuff) or have something going for them that actually makes it special, like being from the future or infused with dark magic or alien or whatever. I suppose the increased focus on his political prowess and stuff is an attempt to upgrade him without changing the character too much, but whatever. It's all comic books anyway.Elfgames posted:In that picture they're comparing the maximum output of those characters and ironman even says he can only hang in that weight class for two seconds with like the best powersource I wasn't really talking about that line up, but just generally. They literally shoot the Hulk out into space because he's too dangerous. Thor is a god. Strange is a wizard that hops in out of this planar dimension at will. That new AI/android Vision dude is basically a god as well. They're fighting other gods, an AI that literally uses an entire city as a comet to destroy the earth. Alien civilizations, all that jazz. And here's Tony Stark, guy with a battery in his chest and a tech suit that can fly and shoot plasma. Whoop-de-loving-do. If it wasn't for his popularity and legacy he'd be on the same level as Doc Octopus or Kingpin, all things considering. Maybe the best comparison would be Doctor Doom, but Doom actually controls an entire country and, if I recall correctly, does a lot of poo poo with dark magic and stuff that makes him basically immortal. It just irks me, is all. Don't even get me started on Hawkeye and Black Widow being in the Avengers. He's good with arrows and she's a super spy, and somehow they actually contribute in the fight against extinction level threats? At least Romanov is essential in keeping the Hulk in check. But again, whatever, comics.
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Iron Man was not popular when that was written. Iron Man become popular in 2008. None of the Avengers were popular characters, that's why Marvel was able to make movies about them in the first place. They sold off the popular ones and were left with the scraps, but through some good casting managed to make them the big names instead. Aphrodite has a new favorite as of 14:27 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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I think Widow got a soviet version of the SS serum so she's got some of the same abilities as Cap, just not on the same level.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I think Widow got a soviet version of the SS serum so she's got some of the same abilities as Cap, just not on the same level. Not in the movies, though.
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Aphrodite posted:Not in the movies, though. Her super power is wearing that suit all that time and not smelling like something that's been soaked in sweat and filth. Also you say Hawkeye is pretty good with a bow, but he's like, unbelievably good with a bow. They just never get a chance to show that off in the films.
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Morpheus posted:Her super power is wearing that suit all that time and not smelling like something that's been soaked in sweat and filth. You mean apart from when he no-look headshots a fast-moving alien hoverboard pilot out of the sky in the first Avengers movie? You're right, yeah, they never show how good he is.
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Memento posted:You mean apart from when he no-look headshots a fast-moving alien hoverboard pilot out of the sky in the first Avengers movie? You're right, yeah, they never show how good he is. That felt awfully hostile. Okay, let me reword, they rarely show how good he is. Usually it's just professional-archer-levels worth of skill. Though he also manages to take out the SHIELD carrier with some tricky no-scope curved arrow that hits juuuuust where it's supposed to go, that's the only time I recall (other than what you brought up).
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If I had made the avengers, Hawkeye's hacking arrow would have literally been a USB thumb drive on the end of an arrow. Successfully mounting it on the first try would have instantly demonstrated his bow supremacy, and also been hilarious.
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Ignite Memories posted:If I had made the avengers, Hawkeye's hacking arrow would have literally been a USB thumb drive on the end of an arrow. Successfully mounting it on the first try would have instantly demonstrated his bow supremacy, and also been hilarious. I want to see the USB Arrow fly into the slot, not work, engage tiny arrow motors to fly back out, rotate, and fly back in.
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It's still a bow...I mean, no matter how good you are, you can only have so many arrows with you, some of which have to be special arrows for tricky stuff, and having to constantly collect them seems like a serious disadvantage, aside from being able to shoot, what, 10 arrows per second if you're really super duper good? DC's Arrow never clicked with me for the same reason (besides all the family drama), it just shouldn't work. Not when you're fighting an army using bullets or alien laser guns and stuff. Spiderman, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, etc work for me because they keep it low key. Fighting organised crime or a villain with powers that aren't world ending to protect your neighbourhood or city is an appropriate match, you know? It's not a suspension of disbelief thing, I get that. I love the Flash for the exact reason that it's really goofy. He's insanely overpowered and them being too dumb to use it to its full potential is part of the charm. It's just that some things are internally inconsistent to such a degree that I'm left with the feeling that I'm missing some essential plot point or something, but I guess that's not the case. Aphrodite posted:Iron Man was not popular when that was written. I didn't know that. That's actually a really impressive achievement. Kudos to them.
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Taeke posted:It's still a bow...I mean, no matter how good you are, you can only have so many arrows with you, some of which have to be special arrows for tricky stuff, and having to constantly collect them seems like a serious disadvantage, aside from being able to shoot, what, 10 arrows per second if you're really super duper good? DC's Arrow never clicked with me for the same reason (besides all the family drama), it just shouldn't work. Not when you're fighting an army using bullets or alien laser guns and stuff. Spiderman, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, etc work for me because they keep it low key. Fighting organised crime or a villain with powers that aren't world ending to protect your neighbourhood or city is an appropriate match, you know? The amount of times that bad guys have fired, straight on, at the Arrow Crew or whatever they are called, with machine guns, and missed every shot is staggering. It takes like a full second for the heroes to move out of the way, too, it's not like they're hidden in the shadows or have great reflexes or anything. There are multiple scenes where the good guys are chasing behind a car while on motorbikes, and there will be two or three bad guys shooting at them and missing every shot while the motorbikes don't even swerve to avoid anything. It's just stretching that suspension of disbelief to breaking points and beyond at that point. Edit: that first crossover episode where the Flash turned temporarily evil was great because the Flash was beating the poo poo out of the Arrow with his super speed like he should in literally every encounter with someone who isn't a speedster.
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In 2000 Marvel had actually even sold the rights to Captain America and Thor to Artisan Entertainment, along with Ant Man, Morbius and Longshot. Goes to show how highly valued those properties were. Nothing ever came of the deal though, so they got them back.
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Ignite Memories posted:If I had made the avengers, Hawkeye's hacking arrow would have literally been a USB thumb drive on the end of an arrow. Successfully mounting it on the first try would have instantly demonstrated his bow supremacy, and also been hilarious. 
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Morpheus posted:I want to see the USB Arrow fly into the slot, not work, engage tiny arrow motors to fly back out, rotate, still not work,and fly back to its original position and then work
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-DwXZXUrSU&t=182s Your USB might need a DOOMP
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I think Widow got a soviet version of the SS serum so she's got some of the same abilities as Cap, just not on the same level. I initially misread "sovcit version" and thought there was a batshit Captain America clone running around out there with a gold-fringed shield
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I initially misread "sovcit version" and thought there was a batshit Captain America clone running around out there with a gold-fringed shield I just imagined Dale Gribble as Captain America and for a moment my heart was full of light and life, and all was good with the world.
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Screaming Idiot posted:I just imagined Dale Gribble as Captain America and for a moment my heart was full of light and life, and all was good with the world. And in a shocking twist, it turns out he was an agent for Mr. Big the entire time!
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I initially misread "sovcit version" and thought there was a batshit Captain America clone running around out there with a gold-fringed shield Surprisingly, there has never been a Judge Dredd/Captain America crossover, so Steve Rogers has never fought a Sovcit judge. But I did find this from one of the original artists: 
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This seems to have turned into a "PYF Comic Book Thread", but to go back to movies in general: when comedy movies seem to doubt the audience's ability to get why something is funny and go way over the top, beating you over the head with it. Not an exact example, but just the general idea like if someone slips and falls they'll zoom in on a character making a "funny" remark like "that's gotta hurt!" etc. I made the mistake of watching the Adam Sandler movie "Blended" and while I wasn't expecting much from it this really irritated me. Also: when movie producers/writers don't even try to create a realistic setting/atmosphere. In that movie, they take a trip to "Africa", but it looks like the whole movie was filmed inside some tacky Disney theme park. You don't have to actually film it in Africa since I'm sure that'd be expensive, but is it too much to ask to at least try and make it look less like a resort in Florida?
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Murphy Brownback posted:You don't have to actually film it in Africa since I'm sure that'd be expensive, but is it too much to ask to at least try and make it look less like a resort in Florida? These days Adam Sandler characters' costumes are whatever the man himself showed up on set wearing. He literally could not give less of a poo poo anymore.
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Parts were filmed in Africa. Don't you remember during the Sony hacks were it was revealed that Adam Sandler's movies are just a vacation scheme?
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bobkatt013 posted:Parts were filmed in Africa. Don't you remember during the Sony hacks were it was revealed that Adam Sandler's movies are just a vacation scheme? I don't, but assuming that's true that's almost worse since they seemed to go out of their way to make it as tacky and generic "African" as possible. In any case that movie is awful and the only way it could have been worse is the inclusion of Rob Schnieder.
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bobkatt013 posted:Parts were filmed in Africa. Don't you remember during the Sony hacks were it was revealed that Adam Sandler's movies are just a vacation scheme? That was a theory put forth by RLM. That said they justify it pretty well.
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Murphy Brownback posted:when comedy movies seem to doubt the audience's ability to get why something is funny and go way over the top, beating you over the head with it. RagnarokAngel posted:That was a theory put forth by RLM.
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You can tell a comedy movie is going to be bad when they devote several seconds showing someone's flabbergasted reaction to something mundane. This is how you realise Spy Hard is not made by the creators of Naked Gun.
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Canemacar posted:And in a shocking twist, it turns out he was an agent for Mr. Big the entire time! *takes off sunglasses* "Thank you for not smoking."
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Murphy Brownback posted:This seems to have turned into a "PYF Comic Book Thread", but to go back to movies in general: when comedy movies seem to doubt the audience's ability to get why something is funny and go way over the top, beating you over the head with it. I had a huge problem with this in the show "BoJack Horseman". In one of the first episodes, a character is talking about her time dating actor Andrew Garfield. She at one point complains that "He would only ever order lasagna!" I thought that was kinda clever/silly, but then another character pops up, "Wait, Andrew *Garfield* loves lasagna?!?" Then a little bit later, she mentions Andrew Garfield would get angry when his agent scheduled auditions on a Monday. Again, clever, but then that other character again goes, "Wait, Andrew *Garfield* loves lasagna *AND* hates Monday?!?" It's like the writers didn't trust the audience enough to catch the joke, what could have been a subtle running gag instead had huge lights pointed at it saying "HERE'S THE JOKE, LAUGH HERE!" I almost expected them to just say "He's just like the cat from the comic strip! How wacky!" I could not get past the first three or four episodes of the show, between stuff like that, the constant horrible animal puns (and I'm somebody that normally loves stupid puns), the indecision if Aaron Paul's character is the straight man or the wacky roommate character, and the writers getting up on their soapbox every episode, I really don't get the love for that show.
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Eh! Frank posted:I really don't get the love for that show. It's OK. We're all wrong sometimes.
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Eh! Frank posted:I had a huge problem with this in the show "BoJack Horseman". In one of the first episodes, a character is talking about her time dating actor Andrew Garfield. She at one point complains that "He would only ever order lasagna!" I thought that was kinda clever/silly, but then another character pops up, "Wait, Andrew *Garfield* loves lasagna?!?" Then a little bit later, she mentions Andrew Garfield would get angry when his agent scheduled auditions on a Monday. Again, clever, but then that other character again goes, "Wait, Andrew *Garfield* loves lasagna *AND* hates Monday?!?" It's like the writers didn't trust the audience enough to catch the joke, what could have been a subtle running gag instead had huge lights pointed at it saying "HERE'S THE JOKE, LAUGH HERE!" I almost expected them to just say "He's just like the cat from the comic strip! How wacky!" Eh! Frank posted:I could not get past the first three or four episodes of the show, between stuff like that, the constant horrible animal puns (and I'm somebody that normally loves stupid puns), the indecision if Aaron Paul's character is the straight man or the wacky roommate character, and the writers getting up on their soapbox every episode, I really don't get the love for that show. 
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The bojack horseman thing is a joke within a joke. Nobody except that one character got the joke and he was confused why nobody else thought it was funny. It's a meta thing. Now if you don't like the meta thing sure, whatever, that's reasonable, but it wasn't an attempt to explain the joke.
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Murphy Brownback posted:Also: when movie producers/writers don't even try to create a realistic setting/atmosphere. In that movie, they take a trip to "Africa", but it looks like the whole movie was filmed inside some tacky Disney theme park. You don't have to actually film it in Africa since I'm sure that'd be expensive, but is it too much to ask to at least try and make it look less like a resort in Florida? Not to get all pedantic but when you're saying they should make the set look "African" you're doing the same thing the film makers did when they made the travel destination Africa. What urban Johannesburg or rural Somalia? I mean if you were going to make a set look "North American" it might be some small American town with guys in cowboy boots driving pickups. Fine but that's just a stereotype and neither representative or accurate. I dunno, I'm just glad whenever I see a perspective on Africa that's not mud huts in an arid desert.
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It's a big tourist resort, of course it's tacky.
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Crocodile Dundee : what the mugger had was clearly a knife, just a smaller one that Dundee's. Therefore his statement " that's not a knife, this is a knife" is only half correct.
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Anos posted:Not to get all pedantic but when you're saying they should make the set look "African" you're doing the same thing the film makers did when they made the travel destination Africa. What urban Johannesburg or rural Somalia? I mean if you were going to make a set look "North American" it might be some small American town with guys in cowboy boots driving pickups. Fine but that's just a stereotype and neither representative or accurate. I dunno, I'm just glad whenever I see a perspective on Africa that's not mud huts in an arid desert. You may notice that I continually used quotes around "African" and "Africa". They never once said in the movie as far as I knew what country in Africa it was, so what we got is generic "Africa" that you get at theme parks. That was my entire point. We didn't get a view of any real African country, we just got the distilled version that is relateable to people who have been to Animal Kingdom or Busch Gardens a couple times. e: and yes they did go to a resort which is tacky by nature but it was still very over the top. Even if a resort like the one in the movie exists, why go to it when you could get the same experience in florida? yeah I eat ass has a new favorite as of 19:23 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Crocodile Dundee : what the mugger had was clearly a knife, just a smaller one that Dundee's. Therefore his statement " that's not a knife, this is a knife" is only half correct.
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Murphy Brownback posted:You may notice that I continually used quotes around "African" and "Africa". They never once said in the movie as far as I knew what country in Africa it was, so what we got is generic "Africa" that you get at theme parks. That was my entire point. We didn't get a view of any real African country, we just got the distilled version that is relateable to people who have been to Animal Kingdom or Busch Gardens a couple times. Because then you can't say you've been to Africa. Rich white people want to see "Africa", not South Africa.
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I love when they create fake African countries, like "Niberia"
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Agent355 posted:The bojack horseman thing is a joke within a joke. Nobody except that one character got the joke and he was confused why nobody else thought it was funny. It's a meta thing. This. Lots of reasons you might not like the show but it's pretty clear what's happening is not meant to pander to the audience. If anything it might make you feel uncomfortable for the characters?
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bojack is my spirit animal
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