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Rohan Kishibe posted:Yeah, it seems more of an emission thing to me, but whatever. Or conjuring  Actually conjuring is right next to transmutation so maybe his ability does use some of that.
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i think its that conjuration to make the steel pillars which are just basic steel pillars and then putting his nen in them and making that magnetic
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Jun 4, 2016 19:29
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If it was conjuration he would create actual steel pillars. These were made of nen and invisible although, I guess he was using in? Now I think about it, that makes the most sense, complaint withdrawn.
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Jun 4, 2016 19:35
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ehh if you can turn your aura to lightning then why not turn it to iron?
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Jun 4, 2016 20:55
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I think, technically, it's just giving the aura the properties of lightning rather than actually creating real electricity, but the difference is pretty academic I suppose.
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Jun 4, 2016 21:15
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Rohan Kishibe posted:I think, technically, it's just giving the aura the properties of lightning rather than actually creating real electricity, but the difference is pretty academic I suppose. He can recharge from a taser tho?
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Jun 4, 2016 21:20
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Rohan Kishibe posted:I think, technically, it's just giving the aura the properties of lightning rather than actually creating real electricity, but the difference is pretty academic I suppose. Given that it's called transmutation I would imagine it's turning your aura into that thing.
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Jun 4, 2016 21:20
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Just like how Hisoka has an actual substance fly from his fingertips that sticks to stuff? Or how Killua's grandpa makes an actual dragon? Or how Machi makes actual strings? As far as I can tell, it's always been nen that just acts in the manner of the emulated substance. So, like, Hisoka's aura can stretch and stick to things, and store tension but is still aura. I mean, thinking on it, Biscuit is a transmuter, and she still makes a Stand-like person, even if her actual transmuting power is that she changes her aura into lotion or something. What actual ability creating a nen-person or construct is is a little ambiguous now I think on it.
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Jun 4, 2016 21:33
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Tunicate posted:He can recharge from a taser tho? it's more of a nen restriction, he can still do small shocks without any electrical sources, but by "charging" he gets way more power.
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Jun 4, 2016 21:39
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Watching the episode where Netero challenges Gon and Killua to a game aboard the airship again with the Toonami thread, it's hilarious in retrospect to think that Killua thought he could take on Netero.
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GoldenPrice posted:I don't think the magnetic iron pillars fit in transmuting very well. The impression I got was that his power was to use his aura as a magnetic field and he just materializes magnetic bars to act upon. But he can also act on other metals, like his boots. It was a secondary use of conjuration. The alternative is that he creates magnetic bars that magically float somehow and he pulls himself using those, but that seems weirder to me. Clarste fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Jun 5, 2016 06:26
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His aura has both the properties of magnets and steel
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Jun 5, 2016 06:30
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Bad Seafood posted:Watching the episode where Netero challenges Gon and Killua to a game aboard the airship again with the Toonami thread, it's hilarious in retrospect to think that Killua thought he could take on Netero. It's also impressive in retrospect that Gon could force him to use his arm.
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Jun 5, 2016 07:40
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Regarding the backstory chapter: Turning your aura into things is transmutation. Turning aura into steel should be possible, you could use it as armor that way. Turning into pillars of steel is just stretching the aura before doing that. Same with making it magnetic. If those pillars made of aura are separate from the nen user, then that's emission and transmutation. If it was conjuration then Hisoka would not have had to use gyo, as they would have been 'real' pillars.
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Regarding the backstory chapter: Turning your aura into things is transmutation. Turning aura into steel should be possible, you could use it as armor that way. Turning into pillars of steel is just stretching the aura before doing that. Same with making it magnetic. If those pillars made of aura are separate from the nen user, then that's emission and transmutation. If it was conjuration then Hisoka would not have had to use gyo, as they would have been 'real' pillars. Incorrect. Kurapika did exactly that with his conjured chains. That's one of the big advantages of conjured weaponry, that you can use In on it.
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Conjured stuff is visible to normals by default while Emission is not. But both can be made invisible to other Nen users. Conjuration and Emisson share a lot of overlap, Though Nen Constructs that move around on their own tend to be more on the Emission side as Manipulation is required to move them and they are next to each other. (Unless you explicitly want something that is visible by default to normals. Or if you simply took the wrong path like Kastro.) The exception to this would be specialists, Pitou conjurers her puppet masters as that is more effective for her then Emitting them.
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jon joe posted:It's also impressive in retrospect that Gon could force him to use his arm. I mean... he used it so the kid wouldn't kill himself or suffer permanent brain damage trying to attack him. It's impressive that Gon is insane enough to risk his life over a trivial game.
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Roland Jones posted:Incorrect. Kurapika did exactly that with his conjured chains. That's one of the big advantages of conjured weaponry, that you can use In on it. In can be applied to any nen construct be it conjured or not. Hisoka uses In on his bungee gum all the time. GoldenPrice posted:I don't think the magnetic iron pillars fit in transmuting very well. He's creating aura constructs (most likely through emission) that have the properties of steel and magnetic fields to attract and repel from each other. Since by default nen constructs seem to only have a "blunt" property, any other effect can be chalked up to transmutation to some degree.
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Jun 5, 2016 19:25
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his power is really not that complicated jet fuel can't melt steel beams
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Jun 5, 2016 19:25
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I believe in the power of both rubber and gum.
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Jun 5, 2016 20:23
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can rubber and gum melt steel beams? i bet they can.
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Serious Frolicking posted:can rubber and gum melt steel beams? i bet they can. My nen has the power of dope and memes
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Jun 5, 2016 21:53
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Regarding the Hisoka origin: I'm not sure we really needed origin stories for Bungee Gum and Deceitful Texture. Having them both be variations on the abilities of the first person he fought seems a bit contrived. Really, we don't need much of an origin story for Hisoka in general, and this one doesn't even have the obvious character beat (Hisoka realizing that strong opponents turn him on after being in a close fight for the first time).
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Jun 5, 2016 23:02
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Yeah, I'm with Silver on this one. Hisoka's backstory didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know or couldn't have easily surmised.
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Serious Frolicking posted:can rubber and gum melt steel beams? i bet they can. I mean, not individually, obviously. But perhaps if something possessed the properties of both?
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Jun 5, 2016 23:52
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So, is this an official thing or just a really high profile fan comic?
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e X posted:So, is this an official thing or just a really high profile fan comic? It was written without input from Togashi (and in fact he refused to offer any direction, telling the guy to just make it up), but Togashi approved of it and it's being published by his publisher. Togashi also said that if he ever wanted to expand on Hisoka's backstory (which apparently he's never had any desire to do before), he'd come up for a reason for Hisoka to end up lying in the road beat up as he was in the beginning of this comic.
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Silver2195 posted:and this one doesn't even have the obvious character beat (Hisoka realizing that strong opponents turn him on after being in a close fight for the first time). yeah, in fact it seems like hisoka was doing this kind of thing even before he learned nen, which is funny
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so it is officially published lame fan fiction
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I mean, his character is basically the same as it is in this comic as it is now, so we get no real insight into Hisoka from this. And the potentially interesting question of "how did Hisoka first learn nen" is just "he just kind of picks it up with no real effort" which is a not really interesting, and then it says "Hisoka is a big lame-o because he just stole his Hatsu from some dude rather than coming up with it on his own". The casino type place is kind of a cool Hunter x Hunter type location I'll admit.
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Yeah it's not really an origin sorry for Hisoka, it's really an origin for bungee gum and texture surprise. It's only about how he got nen and the big secret is that he got it really easily and fast like Gon and Killua. What a shock. Hisoka is already a murder clown at the start of this "origin". We don't even know where he came from!
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He gets it way faster than Gon and Killua is the thing. The way he develops his aura is honestly more like Pitou than anyone else.
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Begemot posted:Hisoka is already a murder clown at the start of this "origin". Is he? He's already a clown who likes to troll people with magic tricks, but the only person he kills in this chapter is an unambiguous villain, and there isn't even much indication that he particularly enjoys killing him. Hisoka embracing his sadomasochistic tendencies could be placed after this chapter just as easily as before.
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Silver2195 posted:Is he? He's already a clown who likes to troll people with magic tricks, but the only person he kills in this chapter is an unambiguous villain, and there isn't even much indication that he particularly enjoys killing him. Hisoka embracing his sadomasochistic tendencies could be placed after this chapter just as easily as before. theres no reason for him to instigate the fight if he's not already a murder clown. if he's not a murder clown then he just exposes and fights and murders this dude that taught him nen for no discernible reason. (obviously, hisoka's not the type of guy to care about delivering justice to serial murderers)
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Law Cheetah posted:theres no reason for him to instigate the fight if he's not already a murder clown. if he's not a murder clown then he just exposes and fights and murders this dude that taught him nen for no discernible reason. (obviously, hisoka's not the type of guy to care about delivering justice to serial murderers) Well he did have a reason in that he wanted to know how Moritonio's nen worked. But yeah, overall there wasn't really much of consequence in this. I still enjoyed it; it was cool seeing someone else (who is competent) tackling writing HxH stuff.
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It is lame that Hisoka didn't come up with his own nen. Ideally nen is supposed to reflect who a person is, and Hisoka was always the poster child for that concept. Bungee gum and deceitful texture seemed like they were deliberately designed so that Hisoka could gently caress with people while he beat them to death, which is his entire reason for living. But nope! He was just imitating some dude who coincidentally had the exact same values and nen type as him.
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I dunno, I think it provides an interesting perspective on him. He's fundamentally just someone who wants to prove he's better than others, and laugh at how hard they're trying. He doesn't kill defenseless people for the kicks, after all: he gets the most enjoyment by going after the strongest people he can find. In a sense you could say he really enjoys showing people how meaningless their lives were (right before they die). So when he first learns nen his instinct is to go "yeah, that's cool, but I came up with something better off the top of my head" which definitely counts as reflecting the kind of person he is.
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Jun 6, 2016 02:35
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He killed helpless people for kicks all the time during the hunter exam. Hisoka spared the ones who looked like they might become interesting and killed anyone else who crossed him. He even went into murder withdrawal once and killed the first person he found. Hisoka's primary goal in life is killing strong people, but he also enjoys killing people in general.
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Those people weren't technically defenseless, they were just so far below his level that they didn't stand a chance. They still fancied themselves warriors, and therefore would be worth crushing. We haven't seen him kill random civilians or anything.
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Clarste posted:Those people weren't technically defenseless, they were just so far below his level that they didn't stand a chance. They still fancied themselves warriors, and therefore would be worth crushing. We haven't seen him kill random civilians or anything. We haven't seen him interact with random civilians. And again, murder withdrawal.
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