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Noctone posted:It's gonna be funny if LSH doesn't show up because then that makes the scene of the BwB hanging a dude some pretty on-the-nose trolling of bookreaders. How so? Hanging dudes was always the BwB's thing. You know, ignoring the part where they'd only hang rapists and raiders and such. I'm not really sure what's going on with them at this point.
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Drunk in Space posted:Yeah it's pretty weird. I think it might have worked if they'd given us more of an idea as to why the Waif would have such a hate-boner for her, because she is still human at the end of the day and perhaps her own training was rocky (perhaps Arya reminds her uncomfortably of her own weaknesses and difficulties adjusting to the role). I suppose you could say that there's some degree of jealousy there, that she fears Arya is going to take her place as Jaquen's favourite or something like that, but yeah, they really could have done more to develop that I think. Arya's whole story for the past couple of seasons has been very weak, which is sad because I always felt that her story up until Braavos was one of best in the series, both in the show and the books. Well her arch is a pretty straightforward hero's journey so the writers might sort of have put it on autopilot to focus more on other plot-lines. It's too bad.
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GaussianCopula posted:The point is that the Waif should not have a hateboner at all, because she is Jaqen (as seen at the end of season 5) which leads us to believe that the Faceless Men don't have a personal identity. The reason the waif is portrayed as it she is on the show is that the producers/show writers only understand very basic narrative concepts and applied the "former teacher's pet growth resentful of the talented outsider" to the Arya situation to have a season long storyline. Sure, it's dumb. You'll get no disagreement from me. Almost everything about the Waif on the show and her interactions with Arya has been poor. I don't even particularly like Jaquen in the role of the "Kindly Man," tbh. I mean, he's a great Jaquen, but he just doesn't feel right in his House of Black and White scenes (because it's not right, of course - he shouldn't be there). I'm wondering when he's going to activate his teleporter and get his rear end to the Citadel to continue his proper storyline and find out how to kill dragons or whatever the theory is.
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Jun 6, 2016 12:56
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Wow you guys must really have liked this episode, as no one has complained about Yara's "I'm going to gently caress the tits off of that one" line yet. That's some bad pussy level poo poo. Great episode otherwise.
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Jun 6, 2016 13:03
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The Yara lesbian stuff seemed so unnecessary. Literally just HBO titillation.
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Am I the only one bothered by the fact nobody cares that Jon Snow is a deserter from the NW? I mean, they made a big deal about the vows being for life and deserters being punished by death, and specially in the north. And then nobody has a problem with Jon being a free man again (although they do care that he is just a Snow), walking around recruiting support for a war he wanst supposed to be part of. So either they all stopped caring about it (which is dumb) or they know he is free from his vows because he died and was resurrected by a red priest, and dont care about that either (also dumb). Arya's poo poo was really bad, and how someone said above: there's no way it wont be dumb. Hound scenes were cool but the BwB massacre was very dumb too. Other than these dumb things, a good episode. Little lady Mormont was awesome
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Jun 6, 2016 13:11
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WampaLord posted:The Yara lesbian stuff seemed so unnecessary. Literally just HBO titillation. It was just embarrassing. Also loved Ian McShane's part and was sad to see it cut short, by the Bwb of all people? I am so confused.
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Jun 6, 2016 13:13
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Elias_Maluco posted:they know he is free from his vows because he died and was resurrected by a red priest, and dont care about that either (also dumb). deus ex lawyering
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Jun 6, 2016 13:24
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Elias_Maluco posted:Am I the only one bothered by ... Yes
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kcroy posted:Good thing the trained assassin didn't just slit her throat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofQ6i9I1IYY
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Jun 6, 2016 13:25
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Yall hating on an actual lesbian/bisexual woman addition is the most  thingIf it was 100% pandering and not setting up how she'll interact with Dany we'd have seen them both naked. Yara owns, Yaraerys forever
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WampaLord posted:The Yara lesbian stuff seemed so unnecessary. Literally just HBO titillation. Has there been a scene of a woman character enjoying some male whores in the show? I remember the gay guys are often banging prostitutes but that would have been a nice time to have Yara be like "wow essos has a lot of pretty manwhores, brb gonna gently caress the glans off this lysene twink"
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nopantsjack posted:Has there been a scene of a woman character enjoying some male whores in the show? I remember the gay guys are often banging prostitutes but that would have been a nice time to have Yara be like "wow essos has a lot of pretty manwhores, brb gonna gently caress the glans off this lysene twink" Not too many women in the show have had the personality or freedom to pursue whores, Yara is the only one I'd say, although Ellaria Sand enjoyed quite a few with Oberyn.
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DeadBonesBrook posted:Wow you guys must really have liked this episode, as no one has complained about Yara's "I'm going to gently caress the tits off of that one" line yet. That's some bad pussy level poo poo. At least Yara's actress owned that scene and that line. 'Bad pussy' was nothing but cringe no matter how you slice it.
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BeOSPOS posted:Yes Well ok then
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C-SPAN Caller posted:Yall hating on an actual lesbian/bisexual woman addition is the most Hm yes there were no sex-crazed bisexual women in this show until now good point
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Jun 6, 2016 13:40
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The three headed dragon are going to be a love trio: Daenerys-Yara-Ellaria. And they are going to kill all men
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I mean, Jon is not only a deserter (by loophole, admittedly), but he's also trotting around with an army of wildlings and an actual giant that he personally let cross the Wall. Mance Raydar was the boogeyman of the North when he was raising an army of wildlings on the other side of the Wall. It does seem kind of odd that nobody reacts more strongly than by telling him to bugger off.
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To be fair to the creators, if NotAsha becomes NotAshaQuentyn I'm A OK with this development.
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Kajeesus posted:I mean, Jon is not only a deserter (by loophole, admittedly), but he's also trotting around with an army of wildlings and an actual giant that he personally let cross the Wall. Mance Raydar was the boogeyman of the North when he was raising an army of wildlings on the other side of the Wall. It does seem kind of odd that nobody reacts more strongly than by telling him to bugger off. nobody cares he is a deserter (although he isnt, on a technicality) nobody cares he is harboring the wife of their Lord and aspiring to commit treason against him nobody cares he was assassinated nobody cares that he witnessed the white walker army in person nobody cares he has a giant in his army even though the majority of people dont believe in giants nobody cares HE WAS RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD or has any questions about it all
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C-SPAN Caller posted:Yall hating on an actual lesbian/bisexual woman addition is the most If it was Bronn who said "Im going to gently caress the tits off that one", you guys would be hailing it as the best line of the season. stop complaining about stupid poo poo, there's an abundance of non-stupid poo poo to complain about.
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Best episode of the season purely for the Riverlands scenes. Some actual tension, moral ambiguity and characterisation. Hard to know who to side with, hard to know how it's going to be resolved, Jaime and the Blackfish are both actual characters with a bit of depth. We had an actual medieval rear end setting with castles and drawbridges and armies, not just people whispering at each other in a tent or a palace solar. Things were happening and felt natural, it didn't move with the crushing inevitability of every other scene this season, including the "oh the hound's alive. now his new buddy is dead" scenes. And apparently they actually used book dialogue for the Riverlands instead of writing their own cliché-ridden garbage like they did for Meribald's monologue - it was the only good part of AFFC for god's sakes! They brought Ian McShane in! Why would they not do that?! I also thought Arya getting suddenly shanked was legit shocking and the most interesting thing with her since season 4. Gonna be disappointed when they cop out of it like y'all are saying. EDIT: And it felt good that they actually showed Jon and Sansa trying to recruit people, again showing actual characters with differing views, instead of just cutting to them talking about it which is what they would have done at every other point this season. And the one thing they're keeping totally true to the books - Davos is still the most sensible man in Westeros. VagueRant fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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I think the show runners just decided not to show "WOooaaaahhhhhh you came back from the dead?!?!?" every time Jon meets someone new. I would agree they could weave it into the conversation a little better.
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I legitimately thought the Yara/Theon whorehouse scene was going to end with Yara showing him the joy of tribadism, in a kind of "just because you have no cock doesn't mean you can't gently caress" abrupt end point to Theon's recovery from Ramsay's torture. This was a really good episode, with only some really dumb parts. Lyanna Mormont and Lord Glover owned, Jaime and Blackfish owned, Yara and Theon owned (well, their dialogue did at least, barring the spontaneous lesbianism). In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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This is from last episode, but does Walder Frey refer to the Red Wedding by that name in the books? It was weird hearing him call it "The Red Wedding" when that was a sort of informal nickname for what happened.TommyGun85 posted:If it was Bronn who said "Im going to gently caress the tits off that one", you guys would be hailing it as the best line of the season. I highly doubt that. The only hilarious/good lines that result from the sex scenes was the stuff with Pod's Magic Dick. In It For The Tank posted:Yara and Theon owned. Yes, minus the lesbian titillation, it was actually a good scene.
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The Dave posted:I think the show runners just decided not to show "WOooaaaahhhhhh you came back from the dead?!?!?" every time Jon meets someone new. I would agree they could weave it into the conversation a little better. And that's ok, it would be silly to do that all the time. But in this case, it seems relevant. If wanst for being ressurrected, Jon is a NW deserter. People in the north has very strong feelings about NW deserters, it was established many times, both in the books and the show. Is not something people would just be so ok with to never even mention it. At the same time, if Jon did told then about his death and ressurectiong by the power of Rlhorr, its kind silly that everyone would just instantly believe that and be ok with it too. It would make more sense if Sansa and Davos were going around asking for support and keeping Jon role in it a secret. But why bother? Nobody cares Might seems like a nitpick, but that's the kind of thing people have in mind when they talk about the "lazy writing". The writers ignoring the very own rules they set in the world and actions that were huge barely having any consequences and then being just forgotten
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Elias_Maluco posted:And that's ok, it would be silly to do that all the time. But in this case, it seems relevant. its less of an issue for the desertion and more about the way Jon is rallying support. why not just walk into every room show everyone his stab holes, tell them he was resurrected from the dead and has a loving giant in tow....instead he brings Sansa. pfft.
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I thought it was a great episode. In particular, the Mormont child leader was surprisingly well done. Was the guy leading the brotherhood Lem Lemoncloak?
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wintrrmute posted:Was the guy leading the brotherhood Lem Lemoncloak? He'll probably never be named as such, but yes.
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Soccus Nephropidae posted:Hm yes there were no sex-crazed bisexual women in this show until now good point None that really mattered storywise outside of Ellaria but yes keep complaining about gay people. 
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"Play with her rear end"
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Yara is a loving viking pirate woman who gives a gently caress if she's crude af I'd let her sail my seas
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Lem was an rear end in a top hat in the book too iirc. I'm not sure if he was the type to go around slaughtering random peasants, though. That's Gregor Clegane/Rorge levels of brutality.
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Theory one: The older actress, that Arya was supposed to kill, uses some kind of magic to conceal her true age and face, akin to what Melisandre uses. She was only interested in Arya's expressive face because she was thinking about taking it over as her new identity, which she has to change regularly, so people don't start do wonder why she never ages. Arya offered her the face willingly, without telling her that there would be assassins coming after that face. The actress/fake Arya is buying passage to Westeros because she is planning to start a new life with the new face, somewhere where she thinks nobody will recognize it. Real Arya's ultimate goal is to lure Waifu into the open, where she can take her out. Theory two: There will be a huge mnightshamalan twist. This was all just a graduation test for Waifu and not about Arya at all. Arya is still with the faceless men and just playing along. The stabbed person was Jaquen in disguise and the blood was an illusion. Arya will go to Westeros for her graduation test, not because she fled Bravos. If any of these theories turn out to be correct, remember who came up with then and mentioned it to your children and in all future wedding speeches.
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What did the spoilers (which have mostly been on point so far, I think?) say about all this? Wasn't it just that the Waif goes after Arya, but Arya kills her with Needle, or something like that?
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I think I saw and heard Waif slicing fake Arya's throat. But when Waif gets behind her it looks totally fine. Did I just hallucinate it?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Someone on Reddit noticed that "Arya" used her right hand to do everything in this scene. Arya has always been left handed and it is an important enough detail that Maisie Williams trained herself to be left handed for the character back when she got the part. I do remember Maisie making a pretty big point about the left handedness in cast interviews way back in the first season. Ok, between that and the girl walking away from the camera wearing Mercy's clothes and distinctive dual top hair buns I'm sold on Arya pulling the face switcheroo. Whether fake Arya is old actress, young evil actress, or jaqen being sneaky God only knows.
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GaussianCopula posted:The point is that the Waif should not have a hateboner at all, because she is Jaqen (as seen at the end of season 5) which leads us to believe that the Faceless Men don't have a personal identity. The reason the waif is portrayed as it she is on the show is that the producers/show writers only understand very basic narrative concepts and applied the "former teacher's pet growth resentful of the talented outsider" to the Arya situation to have a season long storyline. I'm pretty sure that the Waif having a hate boner and a grudge is supposed to show that she isn't a good Faceless man. She's in training just like Arya and she's failing at her training just like Arya is. e: Not sure why everyone is hung up on people not asking Jon about being brought back the dead. For one thing, is that even a well broadcasted fact? I doubt anyone else even knows about it apart from the Night's Watch and the Wildlings, and neither is likely to spread that word around to the other noble houses nor would those houses even believe them if they did. Jon was dead for like a day or two at most. It's most likely that nobody even knows he ever did die outside of the NW. As for why he doesn't walk around saying it happened and that he's Jesus - well why the gently caress would he? He'd sound loving insane. Nobody would believe that hare brained story. He's lucky to even get them to believe in the White Walkers/undead. Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Drunk in Space posted:Lem was an rear end in a top hat in the book too iirc. I'm not sure if he was the type to go around slaughtering random peasants, though. That's Gregor Clegane/Rorge levels of brutality. Yeah, I found that really jarring and I hope they didn't completely flip the BwB just so they had an easy antagonist for the sake of bringing the Hound back. There was plenty of supplies left behind in the carnage, so it's unclear as to why that slaughter actually happened.
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