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We should all be thankful that before his untimely passing Kimbo gave the fans a gift that will live on forever - the greatest fight of all time.
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Jun 7, 2016 04:25
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Dr. Abysmal posted:We should all be thankful that before his untimely passing Kimbo gave the fans a gift that will live on forever - the greatest fight of all time. it shocks me that the guy who literally almost died fighting kimbo ended up outliving him
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Jun 7, 2016 04:34
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https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/740023871227584512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Jun 7, 2016 04:36
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42 is kind of old to be a professional fighter but it's really goddamn young to be dead.
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Jun 7, 2016 04:37
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He never even got to retire and get rich off personal branded BBQ sauces......
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a retard posted:it shocks me that the guy who literally almost died fighting kimbo ended up outliving him This was my thought as well, but still RIP Kimbo and thanks for some of the funniest fights I have ever seen.
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Jun 7, 2016 04:50
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fatherdog posted:42 is kind of old to be a professional fighter but it's really goddamn young to be dead. Hunto.... RIP Kimbo. Your fights brought me a lot of.... Well they were usually entertaining for one reason or another and you seemed very cool.
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Jun 7, 2016 06:05
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Countdown until someone links Kimbo's death to the falsified medicals Bellator submitted to athletic commissions.
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Jun 7, 2016 06:10
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so where does this leave bellators card
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Jun 7, 2016 06:26
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drat. RIP Kimbo Slice.
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Jun 7, 2016 07:04
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Terrible to lose someone so young. Can't believe Dada hit him with the delayed heart exploding technique while being hit with the immediate one.
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Jun 7, 2016 07:09
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Meanwhile Dada lives on. The world is a cruel beast.
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reformed bad troll posted:Meanwhile Dada lives on. The world is a cruel beast. I would still be pretty impressed if Dada managed to fight Kimbo for three rounds without getting a single heart attack.
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Jun 7, 2016 07:47
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RIP Kimbo indeed. It'll happen to a fighter I care about sooner or later so I'm not going to joke.
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Jun 7, 2016 09:38
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Triticum Guzzler posted:another banger from fedor along the lines of "people only criticise the annexation of crimea because every country on earth except russia is fascist" http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/5/31/11818726/fedor-emelianenko-meldonium-scandal-manifestation-anti-russian-policy-putin-mma He said, "You see what is happening in the world and in our country. History with meldonium should just accept it. I think this is an element of anti-Russian policy.” Hardly surprising for a Russian hero who lives a country with many subjects blacked out.
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Kimbo was a weird confluence of stuff I dislike and a guy who seems likeable, genuine, and cool. Every one of his fights provided entertainment, ranging from meat-and-potatoes fisticuff KOs, to the Petruzelli KO killing an entire freakshow promotion, to people thinking that Ken Shamrock would need to be paid to mess up an RNC, to the fight of the century. I was tired of seeing fatherdog posted:42 is kind of old to be a professional fighter but it's really goddamn young to be dead.
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Jun 7, 2016 15:28
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Koscheck is out of his fight against Daly. lol.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Koscheck is out of his fight against Daly. lol. shouldn't they just cancel that card now?
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Bubba Smith posted:shouldn't they just cancel that card now? Viacom would rather run it half assed than pull it entirely.
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At least JT didn't loving kill him in the cage, that would of been horrific
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a retard posted:it shocks me that the guy who literally almost died fighting kimbo ended up outliving him Yeah I came here to post this. The guy whose heart stopped twice during and after fighting Kimbo is still alive, and Kimbo isn't. I'm sad to see Kimbo's passing. I saw him on TUF and he was a very kind-hearted person with some truly hosed up knees.
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Some people keep bringing it up in the wrong thread, so I'll start the conversation in this one. Bellator allegedly falsified medical records of at least a few fighters and submitted them to athletic commissions. The article also suggests that they engaged in collusive matchmaking, which is also lovely, but probably won't result in people dying. They're also notorious (around these parts, because no MMA journalist will do research on it) for picking very select locations to hold most of their fight cards in order to face the least oversight possible. For example, a quick glance at a list of Bellator events will tell you that they still hold a significant portion of events at tribal casinos, which operate their own hilarious version of an athletic commission. You'll also see states on there with lovely commissions: Connecticut hasn't had a meeting of their commission since 2014, according to their website Texas hardly tests fighters and when Kimbo popped anyway, they only gave him a $2,500 fine and a 90 day suspension, as of the day of his fight. His fight was on Feb 19th, and they settled with him for a 90 day suspension in June so he really did not get any time off. Zach Arnold, for all his faults, has been following California's antics with autistic fury for a long time. etc etc. It really doesn't make any other sense for them to hold events in Boise, Idaho, or Mulvane, Kansas, or Thackerville, Oklahoma since they make a significant portion of their money from their gates and these are not big markets by any measure. They've also recently started expanding to Europe, which doesn't have athletic commissions either. Kimbo was scheduled to fight James Thompson next month and they're both obvious steroid liabilities so it makes sense to just put them at the top of a UK card.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:Some people keep bringing it up in the wrong thread, so I'll start the conversation in this one. Bellator allegedly falsified medical records of at least a few fighters and submitted them to athletic commissions. The article also suggests that they engaged in collusive matchmaking, which is also lovely, but probably won't result in people dying. They're also notorious (around these parts, because no MMA journalist will do research on it) for picking very select locations to hold most of their fight cards in order to face the least oversight possible. For example, a quick glance at a list of Bellator events will tell you that they still hold a significant portion of events at tribal casinos, which operate their own hilarious version of an athletic commission. You'll also see states on there with lovely commissions: But they didn't take away Ariel's press pass so you'll find very little about all of this stuff, which has literally resulted in people dying.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I thought that the UK had a commission that oversees MMA? Nope. When the UFC goes overseas, they self-regulate. Several UK organizations signed on to SAFE MMA but it's not regulated by the government or anything.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I thought that the UK had a commission that oversees MMA? There's Safe MMA and a few other stuff for regulation, but there's no official agency from the government
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:etc etc. It really doesn't make any other sense for them to hold events in Boise, Idaho, or Mulvane, Kansas, or Thackerville, Oklahoma since they make a significant portion of their money from their gates and these are not big markets by any measure. I may be wrong here, but I thought they didn't get any of the gate from their live events, instead they are paid a flat fee for bringing events to these casinos. This was the business plan while Rebney was CEO and they were basically setting themselves up to be WCW 2.0 by trying to make it on the strength of their TV product. DumbWhiteGuy posted:But they didn't take away Ariel's press pass so you'll find very little about all of this stuff, which has literally resulted in people dying. This is what irks me the most about Ariel the journalist, when has he ever broken anything significant like this? I think maybe he broke the Jones ticket thing recently, that's all I can think of.
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1st AD posted:I may be wrong here, but I thought they didn't get any of the gate from their live events, instead they are paid a flat fee for bringing events to these casinos. This was the business plan while Rebney was CEO and they were basically setting themselves up to be WCW 2.0 by trying to make it on the strength of their TV product. Early on most of their live business was site fees, but I have no idea how true that is anymore. Probably a lot less so once they switched to Fridays.
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1st AD posted:I may be wrong here, but I thought they didn't get any of the gate from their live events, instead they are paid a flat fee for bringing events to these casinos. This was the business plan while Rebney was CEO and they were basically setting themselves up to be WCW 2.0 by trying to make it on the strength of their TV product. You might be right, it's hard to say because of so little reporting we get on these topics. Either way, they're not the most legitimate venues.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:Nope. When the UFC goes overseas, they self-regulate. Several UK organizations signed on to SAFE MMA but it's not regulated by the government or anything. I know some countries don't have commissions but am genuinely surprised the UK and its whole "health & safety" joke stuff doesn't have one.
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As a anecdote, I got to go to a Bellator event in Atlantic City with the MTV Networks crew once in 2012/2013. It was pretty much akin to going to a local show but with some notable names like Zaromskis, etc. and slightly better lighting. I mean, the Steve Blackman, from WWF, ran events in Harrisburg PA were pretty much on par with what Bellator were doing.
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The bellator stuff seems all sorts of hosed up. I kinda want to look into it.
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Eat This Glob posted:The bellator stuff seems all sorts of hosed up. I kinda want to look into it. It's more hosed up when you factor in the cognitive dissonance of the whole MMA media. It seems pretty definitive that they all know about it, or else they're all dumber than I give them credit for. I've tweeted at a bunch of them, and they've been more or less responsive until I bring it up. No one wants to write a bad story, unless it's about the UFC. For example, after EVERY single UFC event, several websites are tracking how much fighters are making based on the Reebok deal: UFC 199 UFC 198 UFC 197 ... UFC 189 As has been noted before, there are a lot of problems with UFC's deal with Reebok. It's been hosed up in several ways, but I expect it to pretty much work itself out over the next 10 years and be a reasonable replacement financially eventually. However, instead of anyone investigating Bellator's oversight problem, they'd rather spend the man-hours compiling these useless pay statistics in anticipation of having to write a much larger article about fighter pay at the end of the year and try to stick it to the UFC about how much money all the fighters have lost. Rest assured, these Reebok numbers are not given out by the UFC; rather, some guy has to consult the UFC/Reebok pay chart and write down a number based on how many fights the person has in the UFC. For every fighter. For every card. And they're doing all of this legwork on something RATHER THAN focus on the thing that could save the lives of the people these journalists are claiming to want to help. And the UFC's thorough testing policy has saved several people's lives, from Stefan Struve to Dan Hardy.
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We all know WEC was the best B-League MMA org ever. UFC should've kept them running but set it up as a farm scene sort of like what they do with Invicta at the moment. Put them exclusively on Fight Pass and make it more regional based/focused on up and comers like Strikeforce Challengers was. Also hire Bas & Mauro to commentate. Edit - Also yeah the focus on the Reebok deal, which is still a bad deal overall for the majority of the fighters, is a bit silly at times. Like if Bellator are actually falsifying medical records to commissions I'm pretty sure that's illegal in some cases depending on where they did it and to which comission, let alone the morality problem. Edit 2 - To be fair to some of the journalists, maybe they're waiting for the court case to be handled and then they can not be so worried about a libel lawsuit if they bring allegations about Bellator/Viacom falsifying medical info. At least that's what my hopeful brain is suggesting. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:It's more hosed up when you factor in the cognitive dissonance of the whole MMA media. It seems pretty definitive that they all know about it, or else they're all dumber than I give them credit for. I've tweeted at a bunch of them, and they've been more or less responsive until I bring it up. No one wants to write a bad story, unless it's about the UFC. Investigation would require good journalists and money, which most blogs don't have at all. Like I bet they all know about the Bellator stuff, and hear rumors all the time about the UFC, but they know that negative reporting is the third rail: touch it and die. Ariel's the 'best' MMA journalist, and most of his work is talking about beards, shoes and imaginary 'beefs' with fighters; along with slightly changing the wording of UFC press releases. A longform Grantland-style investigative journalist piece about Bellator or UFC's dealings would be great, but there's no way the writer wouldn't be banned for life.
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red19fire posted:A longform Grantland-style investigative journalist piece about Bellator or UFC's dealings would be great, but there's no way the writer wouldn't be banned for life. I think the precedent has already been set that you won't get banned for life for scoops, let alone real journalism.
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If it turns out that they found a way for Kimbo to avoid proper medicals and signed him to fights anyway, that could be negligence contributing to death, depending on what the coroner finds. Like a fighter who was scheduled to fight literally died of a heart attack within weeks of his fight. How the gently caress did Kimbo pass medicals if he was in that kind of condition?
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CommonShore posted:If it turns out that they found a way for Kimbo to avoid proper medicals and signed him to fights anyway, that could be negligence contributing to death, depending on what the coroner finds. I'm under the impression that there won't be an autopsy but I don't know what other stuff gets documented when someone dies. Hopefully something happens but I'm not optimistic.
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