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Thaddius the Large posted:I'm mostly flabbergasted that nobody in the DA's office was able to say "hey, you know, this probably won't look so good, we may want to rethink this charge Really not how the law is supposed to work.
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The know that lynching typically started with taking the victim out of the jail, but there is something, I don't want to say funny or amusing, intriguing about the legal definition of lynching not having anything to do with say, extra-judicial killing or hanging or torture or any of things we associate with lynching.
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Thaddius the Large posted:I'm mostly flabbergasted that nobody in the DA's office was able to say "hey, you know, this probably won't look so good, we may want to rethink this charge." I mean, maybe one nutjob wanted to make a point, but there wasn't anyone to talk them down? There isn't any reference to "lynching" in the California Penal Code. The legislature voted unanimously to remove the word in July 2015 after a BLM protester was booked for lynching (which was later downgraded to a lesser charge.) Richards was charged under California Penal Code 405a, but "black person convicted of The Offense Formerly Known as Lynching for attempting to pull a fellow protester away from arresting officers" doesn't quite grab the headlines. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Dexo posted:Holy poo poo You only just now realize Ralph Nader's a massive pile of poo poo? Thaddius the Large posted:I'm mostly flabbergasted that nobody in the DA's office was able to say "hey, you know, this probably won't look so good, we may want to rethink this charge." I mean, maybe one nutjob wanted to make a point, but there wasn't anyone to talk them down? They wanted to put that uppity Negro in their place just like in the good ol' days. 
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ErIog posted:The definition of lynching in the criminal code at the time was removing someone from police custody. The more Apparently she is the first African American accused of this crime. I mean they have basically destroyed her name because no one actually knows that lynching does not mean hanging someone to death under Californian Code. So in the public's eye she is accused of hanging someone. It's loving racist bullshit
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:How is it awesome for the folks being relieved? My understanding is that the reason the debt is so cheap is because "the folks'" credit score has already been trashed and the debt written off, so instead of the collection service getting the $0 they assumed and budgeted for, now they have a free $60,000 from John Oliver at no benefit to the debtors. It's not like John Oliver paying their debt is going to make their credit score go back up. Barbe Rouge posted:Is there a link or something to this? The guy sounds incredibly dumb. I think they're referring to Adam Shephard's book Scratch Beginnings Adam Shephard posted:I am going to start – almost literally from scratch - with one 8' x 10' tarp, a sleeping bag, an empty gym bag, $25, and the clothes on my back. Via train, I will be dropped at a random place somewhere in the southeastern United States that is not in my home state of North Carolina. I have 365 days to become free of the realities of homelessness and become a "regular" member of society. After one year, for my project to be considered successful, I have to possess an operable automobile, live in a furnished apartment (alone or with a roommate), have $2500 in cash, and, most importantly, I have to be in a position in which I can continue to improve my circumstances by either going to school or starting my own business. CSMonitor posted:Ten months into the experiment, he decided to quit after learning of an illness in his family. But by then he had moved into an apartment, bought a pickup truck, and had saved close to $5,000. Adam Shephard posted:We don't need "Scratch Beginnings" to know that millions of Americans are creating a life for themselves from nothing.... Just as millions of Americans are not getting by. There are both ends of the spectrum. CSMonitor posted:Ten months into the experiment, he decided to quit after learning of an illness in his family.
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Hollismason posted:Apparently she is the first African American accused of this crime. I mean they have basically destroyed her name because no one actually knows that lynching does not mean hanging someone to death under Californian Code. So in the public's eye she is accused of hanging someone. VVVV It's literally in the original article, if people bothered to read past the headline, but Victoria M. Massie sure buried the lede on that one. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Jun 7, 2016 04:48
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Dead Reckoning posted:There isn't any reference to "lynching" in the California Penal Code. The legislature voted unanimously to remove the word in July 2015 after a BLM protester was booked for lynching (which was later downgraded to a lesser charge.) Richards was charged under California Penal Code 405a, but "black person convicted of The Offense Formerly Known as Lynching for attempting to pull a fellow protester away from arresting officers" doesn't quite grab the headlines. Ha, did not know that. ...Good on the legislature? Bad on the media.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Really not how the law is supposed to work. It actually is. Shame is the only motivational force the police understand. And these things are the reason juries were introduced, so that proceedings would have some semblance of common sense. Otherwise the court of law crawls up its own rear end. VanSandman posted:God.... I would pay money, cash money, to have this on film. Have a consolation prize: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_qBjmvywYs USPOL June 2016: Do you know there are no ethnic-joke books in bookstores anymore?
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Bill giving "Arithmetic" level speeches. Biden clowning on Trump like he did on Ryan. Obama delivering the goods like the press correspondents' dinner. Hillary relentlessly carpet bombing Trump like she did last week. Michelle giving heart-felt speeches about how Trump isn't what America represents. Priorities USA sending up Grace ads every month. Hillary making ads with video of Trump saying poo poo, possibly with rebuttals from the GOP. A nationwide DNC/DSCC/DCCC push to shackle these fuckers to Trump and take their seats. All of this and more coming for the next 5 months as Trump flails around more and more wildly as he grows more exhausted and frayed. This might not even last to the debates.
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Jun 7, 2016 04:58
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Dead Reckoning posted:PC 405a isn't called "lynching" though. She literally wasn't convicted of lynching, the word doesn't appear in the penal code, on the charge sheet, or on her criminal record. The only people still calling it lynching are people looking to score "isn't it ironic that a black woman was convicted under a statute enacted as a result of extrajudicial violence against blacks?" points (even though the original impetus behind California's lynching law was the lynching of two white men.) Christ I even read the article and didn't see that. I mean I saw the governor removed it but I thought that was after the fact. This makes it even worse.
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Jun 7, 2016 05:01
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The fact that the offense is no longer called "lynching" makes it worse? 
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It was called lynching for 80+ years. Like 5 people got arrested for it in the last 5 years when it was still called lynching. The person the article about got arrested for it a month after they changed the name. It's been called not lynching for less than a year. Acting like the author did some great injustice calling it what has been called for 99% of the last 80 years is stupid.
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EwokEntourage posted:It was called lynching for 80+ years. Like 5 people got arrested for it in the last 5 years when it was still called lynching. The person the article about got arrested for it a month after they changed the name. It's been called not lynching for less than a year. it's not what people typically think of when someone is accused of lynching - really it relies on the ironic dissonance between a BLM leader and the act of lynching. in most jurisdictions lynching is defined as extrajudicial mob violence and not removing someone from police custody, which is why the name of the law was changed in the first place, because it is inaccurate to call this act lynching. even if it's not purposefully racially antagonistic it carries that connotation + it's dishonest clickbait that shouldn't be defended
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Really not how the law is supposed to work. In theory, no, but anyone who's actually worked with prosecutors knows they have immense discretion in determining what charges are actually brought, and even in the same set of circumstances two different DAs may bring entirely different charges against someone. Not saying it's a good thing either, but it's just how it goes. Glad this seems to be more of a media fuckup than anything else.
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EwokEntourage posted:Acting like the author did some great injustice calling it what has been called for 99% of the last 80 years is stupid.
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The last of a class of Very Good Dogs. (I mean, dogs in general are good but we do need to stratify this sort of thing.)
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Rhesus Pieces posted:So did he hit his head or does he just not give a gently caress about anything anymore? The Democratic Party basically destroyed ralph nader's life in "retribution" for 2000 and he basically hates them the way clarence thomas hates white people.
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The GOP has finally unveiled its plan to Highlights: quote:It would also repeal a provision allowing financial regulators to identify which large institutions merit closer oversight as “systemically important financial institutions.” And the “Volcker Rule,” which bars banks from engaging in profit-seeking activity known as proprietary trading, would also be repealed. quote:The new bill would allow Congress to set the CFPB’s budget, and replace its single director with a bipartisan commission. Republicans have tried for years to make those changes to the agency, while Democrats resisted arguing it would weaken the agency. quote:The bill includes an “Audit the Fed” provision that would allow outside review of the Federal Reserve’s monetary policy decisions, among other changes at the central bank.
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Or maybe is was a conscious stylistic choice to highlight the point of the article: There is a growing legal push to intimidate Black Lives Matter activists. And geez wouldn't you know that lynching was historically used to intimidate black people. Geez, almost like there's a connection there. Or you can get mad at them for using it, even tho they put it in loving quotation marks the entire time
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Dead Reckoning posted:The impetus behind changing the name was, "it's a little offensive to refer to what these people did with the same word we colloquially use for extrajudicial mob violence" so going on calling it lynching for the explicit purpose of highlighting the charged nature of the word after the change was made is nothing more than tacky points-scoring sensationalism. Yeah I tried googling to see if right-wing sites are making hay about BLM being guilty of "lynching" but (except for some hits on whacko white supremacist sites) I couldn't find anything except liberal news articles harping on the irony and a few more honest headlines saying they were convicted under the former "lynching" law, so you appear to be correct.
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Bushiz posted:The Democratic Party basically destroyed ralph nader's life in "retribution" for 2000 and he basically hates them the way clarence thomas hates white people. I think running for President again in 2004 and 2008 to vastly diminishing returns and relevancy did a lot to destroy his life as well.
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EwokEntourage posted:Or maybe is was a conscious stylistic choice to highlight the point of the article: There is a growing legal push to intimidate Black Lives Matter activists. And geez wouldn't you know that lynching was historically used to intimidate black people. Geez, almost like there's a connection there. maybe instead of saying she was charged with lynching, they could say she was jim crowed with lynching. so long as we're just sort of tossing words on the wall
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ComradeCosmobot posted:The GOP has finally unveiled its plan to Man I couldn't imagine the gleeful cheerfulness Obama would get cock slapping that bill back to 1893.
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quote:Consumer Financial Opportunity Commission drat what a name. I can't wait until President Paul Ryan comes through renaming the entire Cabinet, in order of succession: Department of American Exceptionalism Department of Taxpayer Rights Department of Freedom Department of Real America Department of Food Creation Department of Job Creation Department of Opportunity Department of Healthcare Opportunity and Individual Services Department of Housing Opportunity and Urban Redemption Department of Individual Transportation Department of Oil and Gas Freedom Department of School Choice Department of Veterans' Opportunity Department of Homeland Security Environmental Opportunity Agency
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VitalSigns posted:I think they're referring to Adam Shephard's book Scratch Beginnings Wow, the empowering story of working your way up from nothing (except for the clearly inconsequential advantage of being an attractive young white dude). Truly proving that the good old American Dream is alive and well!  I mean, seriously, I'm sure that guy did actually work hard to pull himself up out of his self-imposed pretend poverty. But aside from advantages of skin color, sex, and age, he also had the advantage of not living with the soul-crushing stress of knowing that if he couldn't get a job he would end up dead on the street. If his little game failed, oh well, go back home to your real life, no loss. I'm not even sure I want to look into that any further than the wikipedia article, because I'm sure I would end up wanting to slap his pretty face.
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Necc0 posted:I remember back before Trump entered the race the accepted wisdom here was that the GOP not only had an uphill battle to fight, but that their primary was going to do them more harm than good. Mostly because in order to win the primary you have to appeal to ideas that are toxic in the general and balancing the two has become increasingly impossible. https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/739927939286982660
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ComradeCosmobot posted:The GOP has finally unveiled its plan to Audit the fed, what is this loving 2008?
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BobTheJanitor posted:Wow, the empowering story of working your way up from nothing (except for the clearly inconsequential advantage of being an attractive young white dude). Truly proving that the good old American Dream is alive and well! Also no family or anybody depending on him other than himself, who is perfectly capable in great health, and still needed months of government assistance to do anything. This guy listens to Common People and doesn't realize Shatner is making fun of him, smdh
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Taima posted:I'm fine with the outcome, which will happen tomorrow, not today. Nitpicky I guess, but they're the AP. Please wait until the thing has happened, to say that it has happened. And can you believe it, sometimes they even project individual states before all the votes are counted. And don't even get me started on November, when they call the election a month before the electoral college is seated.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:maybe instead of saying she was charged with lynching, they could say she was jim crowed with lynching. so long as we're just sort of tossing words on the wall Are you being willfully dense? It not tossing words, it was called lynching less than a year ago. Maybe you think it shouldn't have been called it, but the author didn't make up a new word or call it something it had never been called before
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The Glumslinger posted:Audit the fed, what is this loving 2008? Audit the Fed has managed to be the Republican Youth Outreach Program somehow. I guess it's to keep the three kids in bowties who show up at the convention happy
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JohnnySavs posted:What exactly is so horrible about living in DC that being POTUS/FLOTUS doesn't alleviate it? The people, the fakeness of everyone she interacts with? DC is a totally different feel and has totally different people and personalities when compared with Chicago
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JohnnySavs posted:What exactly is so horrible about living in DC that being POTUS/FLOTUS doesn't alleviate it? I would imagine that it's like holding court in Renaissance Europe except with even phonier people.
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EwokEntourage posted:Or maybe is was a conscious stylistic choice to highlight the point of the article: There is a growing legal push to intimidate Black Lives Matter activists. And geez wouldn't you know that lynching was historically used to intimidate black people. Geez, almost like there's a connection there. EwokEntourage posted:Are you being willfully dense? It not tossing words, it was called lynching less than a year ago.
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