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Ultramega posted:A cursory google revealed this What does this have to do with the BDS (re: Barghouti) movement's stated irredentist goals? Ultramega posted:Why do you have such a stick up your rear end about all of this? What's more illustrative of current trends? The fact that hardons like you literally, cannot take a joke about The Jewish State™ and your and KJI's axiomatic position of "anti-israeli sentiment is de facto anti-semitism" comes off in ways you might not intend. I haven't said this - the fact that you're stating this shows that you just glossed over what I actually have said numerous times.
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You have all spent a whole page talking about BDS, so maybe it's worthwhile to mention this: https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/739456398698909696 https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/739486552263385088 quote:Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today issued Executive Order No. 157 directing state entities to divest all public funds supporting the Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions campaign against Israel. The first-in-the-nation action will ensure that no state agency or authority engages in or promotes any investment activity that would further the harmful and discriminatory Palestinian-backed Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign in New York State. The Governor made the announcement at the Celebrate Israel Parade. I wonder if this will hold up in court? Seems like both executive overreach (this failed to pass in the State legislature) and State overreach (seems to be impinging upon the Commerce Clause). Here's some criticism published in the generally centrist Jewish-American Daily Forward: quote:...
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I wonder if this will hold up in court? Seems like both executive overreach (this failed to pass in the State legislature) and State overreach (seems to be impinging upon the Commerce Clause). Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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"Oh no! This action makes the anti-BDS activists looks as bad as they really are!"
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Jun 7, 2016 05:11
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You have all spent a whole page talking about BDS, so maybe it's worthwhile to mention this: How much broader is this than the federal anti-boycott law?
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Xandu posted:How much broader is this than the federal anti-boycott law? That's a good question. I keep forgetting how draconian that mess of a law is. Who knows? Maybe this move by Cuomo will backfire, create a legal challenge that goes up the court system, and end up striking out the Federal law, too.
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Xandu posted:How much broader is this than the federal anti-boycott law?
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Dead Reckoning posted:Ironically, it might actually be a violation of the federal anti-boycott law. The federal law prohibits U.S. persons and organizations from participating in foreign boycotts not sanctioned by the U.S. government. If it could be shown that Cuomo was acting in collusion with or at the behest of any Israeli government reps or agents, he might be violating it. While I like my version better in terms of its broader ramifications, this is by far the most delicious and satisfying consequence I could imagine. 
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Dead Reckoning posted:Ironically, it might actually be a violation of the federal anti-boycott law. The federal law prohibits U.S. persons and organizations from participating in foreign boycotts not sanctioned by the U.S. government. If it could be shown that Cuomo was acting in collusion with or at the behest of any Israeli government reps or agents, he might be violating it. Could Cuomo be arrested for violating the law? Mostly I want to see that nepotistic back stabber humiliated.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Ironically, it might actually be a violation of the federal anti-boycott law. The federal law prohibits U.S. persons and organizations from participating in foreign boycotts not sanctioned by the U.S. government. If it could be shown that Cuomo was acting in collusion with or at the behest of any Israeli government reps or agents, he might be violating it. What, if any, reason do you have to think that Cuomo was "acting in collusion with or at the behest of any Israeli government reps or agents"
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The Insect Court posted:What, if any, reason do you have to think that Cuomo was "acting in collusion with or at the behest of any Israeli government reps or agents" Because he's an antisemite. Every single poster in this thread is an antisemite. Are we done? Is this over? Can we go home already?
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Crowsbeak posted:Could Cuomo be arrested for violating the law? Mostly I want to see that nepotistic back stabber humiliated. EDIT: Yeah, apparently it's a great big ball of legal spaghetti. (Spaghetti positively certified to have made and processed in Italy, rather than spaghetti certified in the negative to have not been made or processed in Certain Blacklisted Countries) The Insect Court posted:What, if any, reason do you have to think that Cuomo was "acting in collusion with or at the behest of any Israeli government reps or agents" Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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drat I want to see that fucker burn. He may as well be a member of the GOP. I'm just happy he's burned to many bridges with the party base to ever pursue the presidency.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Because he's an antisemite. Every single poster in this thread is an antisemite. Are we done? Is this over? Can we go home already? Obviously nobody in this thread is an antisemite, because antisemitism is probate-able in D&D. Since nobody ever gets probated for it, there is no antisemitism in the thread. QED. That said, I think it sets a bad precedent for people to fantasize about a sitting elected governor dragged off in cuffs by the Feds because he puts into an effect a policy they disagree with. This goes whether it's freepers fantasizing about arresting politicians who sign laws against anti-trans discrimination or BDSers wanting to "see that fucker burn" when Cuomo signs an anti-boycott executive order.
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Actually you blood curdling psycho I want him arrested for the various corruption he is engaged in . But if this gets him sent away that's good as well.
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The Insect Court posted:Obviously nobody in this thread is an antisemite, because antisemitism is probate-able in D&D. Since nobody ever gets probated for it, there is no antisemitism in the thread. QED. How about instead of speaking in generalities you read this Sitting Governor's record and the corruption probes that are getting closer and closer to him. Here, let me illustrate this for you: Absurd Alhazred posted:Some political humor for a cold day - a slide from Cuomo's 2015 State of the State: Wanting a corrupt political bully to serve time isn't some loving racist fantasy, and LOL for you calling Dead Reckoning of all people a BDSer. Or are you calling me a BDSer? No, wait, that would be too close to you actually making a specific claim, you're more of the insinuating type, that way you don't feel you ever have to actually defend a position or actually contribute to any kind of conversation.
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Crowsbeak posted:Absurd where's your av from? Click on it to find out!  (It's Kate Beaton, she is great animated av material)
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Absurd Alhazred posted:How about instead of speaking in generalities you read this Sitting Governor's record and the corruption probes that are getting closer and closer to him. Here, let me illustrate this for you: Where in this thread have Cuomo's problems with corruption probes been mentioned? They hadn't been until you brought them up in that post. Dead Reckoning claimed that Cuomo could conceivably be in violation of federal anti-boycott laws. Crowsbeak imagined that it could lead to Cuomo's arrest. Wanting a politician to held accountable for corruption is unobjectionable. But that's not what the discussion was about. It was about the anti-BDS executive order Cuomo signed. Hoping that Cuomo winds up behind bars because he signed that is objectionable.
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There's something amusingly hypocritical with wanting boycott, divestment, and sanctions against people who want boycott, divestment, and sanctions.
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Cat Mattress posted:There's something amusingly hypocritical with wanting boycott, divestment, and sanctions against people who want boycott, divestment, and sanctions. Almost as if positions are based on pure tribalism than ethical principles.
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Cat Mattress posted:There's something amusingly hypocritical with wanting boycott, divestment, and sanctions against people who want boycott, divestment, and sanctions. Not really, since the anti-BDS movement is not based on an objection to all boycotts and sanctions or on general opposition to those things in all cases.
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The Insect Court posted:Where in this thread have Cuomo's problems with corruption probes been mentioned? They hadn't been until you brought them up in that post. Maybe other people in the thread know things about Cuomo based on information they already had that you did not.
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The Insect Court posted:Where in this thread have Cuomo's problems with corruption probes been mentioned? They hadn't been until you brought them up in that post. Yeah no psycho it means we think of it like the Feds thought about taking out Capone. But then a bloodthirsty psycho has problems with that.
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The Insect Court posted:Where in this thread have Cuomo's problems with corruption probes been mentioned? They hadn't been until you brought them up in that post. Not really. It's not even objectionable if you don't know Cuomo's general corruption and heavy-handedness. Just on the merits people can be suspicious of a Governor of a State signing a potentially useless, seemingly overreaching, and suspiciously pandering (literally on Israel appreciation day) executive order. If you read every post without the prior of "everyone in this thread is an antisemite but me and people who agree with me", they all seem like very natural reactions. Look at this: Crowsbeak posted:drat I want to see that fucker burn. He may as well be a member of the GOP. I'm just happy he's burned to many bridges with the party base to ever pursue the presidency. If you read this without knowing about Cuomo, if you weren't looking to throw "antisemite" around like loving toilet paper, you might notice the bridge burning portion, and the GOP reference, to realize that there must be some bigger context for the reaction. But no, why do that? Why think? Why consider? Why do anything but assume antisemitism, and logically work your way backwards from that? That's work, that's hard, that's genuine discussion, can't have that with you in the thread.
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Kim Jong Il posted:I haven't said this - the fact that you're stating this shows that you just glossed over what I actually have said numerous times. Kim Jong Il posted:Hating Jews because of Israel's actions is anti-Semitic, but
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This all is kind of proving his point guy. That wasn't what he said at all.
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http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20160606_claims_of_additional_execution_in_hebron_incidentquote:Testimonies: Prior to incident for which Elor Azaria is facing charges, Ramzi al-Qasrawi was also executed
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I know nothing about forensics or firearms but from the video it does look like the wound inflicted upon al-Qasrawi is the same as the one inflicted upon al-Sharif, the blood seems to have started flowing profusely from their heads only after both were already incapacitated on the ground as that's where most of the blood is coming from and there's seemingly not much blood else where. So I'd say it definitely looks consistent with the eyewitness claims that both were executed.
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I know this is close to cheerleading, but I have a real deep appreciation for how hard TIC's gotten blown up this page. But in other posting emanresu tnuocca posted:http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20160606_claims_of_additional_execution_in_hebron_incident Fantastic, so now it comes down to how are they gonna manage to backpedal not one, but two cold-blooded executions, if they find it damning enough to count al-Qasrawi too.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You have all spent a whole page talking about BDS, so maybe it's worthwhile to mention this: I oppose boycotts on principle and they're not at all effective in practice. Still, the logic is a complete inversion of BDS, so I don't see the consistency in arguing Sweden or whoever should boycott Israel but this one is improper. It's pretty dumb but it's not an infringement on free speech, nor is it "banning BDS" like some liars are claiming. Are you really that dumb? You realize that directly contradicts the point you're trying to make? The State of Israel's actions, justly or unjustly, start a causal chain that leads to anti-Semitic beliefs. That has nothing to do at all with equating anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Not really. It's not even objectionable if you don't know Cuomo's general corruption and heavy-handedness. Just on the merits people can be suspicious of a Governor of a State signing a potentially useless, seemingly overreaching, and suspiciously pandering (literally on Israel appreciation day) executive order. Suspicion of what? Of "pandering" to an electoral interest? Isn't that something that virtually every politician does or is suspected of doing regularly? And even if there were no other reason to object to Cuomo's tenure as governor, the simple fact that he signed an anti-BDS executive order is enough to make it unobjectionable to fantasize about his arrest and removal from office? That doesn't strike you as an extreme reaction? Especially given that it's a measure that is, by your own admission, "potentially useless"? That doesn't make it sound like a particularly dangerous one to me. I'd guess the number of BDS supporting firms with which the state of New York contracts is in the vicinity of zero. quote:If you read this without knowing about Cuomo, if you weren't looking to throw "antisemite" around like loving toilet paper, you might notice the bridge burning portion, and the GOP reference, to realize that there must be some bigger context for the reaction. Allow me to quote the Crowsbeak post to which I was referring, which you perhaps have missed: Crowsbeak posted:Could Cuomo be arrested for violating the law? Mostly I want to see that nepotistic back stabber humiliated. This post being, once again, in response to the suggestion that Cuomo might somehow have fallen afoul of the federal anti-boycott law.
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The Insect Court posted:Allow me to quote the Crowsbeak post to which I was referring, which you perhaps have missed: If you grabbed the wrong Crowsbeak post here, you might want to edit this post real quick to get the Crowsbeak post you actually wanted. Because the way it looks now, it looks like AA calls you out for pretending a post that clearly lays out what it is about Cuomo the poster doesn't like and wants to see him jailed for, such as corruption and basically being a Republican that likes the color blue, is antisemetic. In response to this, you correct AA that instead you were saying that about this other post where Crowsbeak... lays out what it is he wants Cuomo to go to jail for, such as corruption. Like you don't seem to be disagreeing with AA's point, you're just clarifying which of your swords you'd like to fall on.
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Everybody in this thread is an antisemite. We've gone through this. Do you have anything further to add?
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I bet he has very offensive things to say about Palestinians if he was asked about them.
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The Insect Court posted:] Yeah you are openly lying about me. I wish Absured could ban you for this. You are seriously a pathetic troll. If I wasn't saving up money for Stellaris I might just get you a new red sig saying everyone should put you on ignore because all you do is accuse people of being anti semetic. I want Cuomo in jail as an example to other corrupt poo poo head sociopathic politicians. If there is one thing worse then general extremism its corruption it destroys peoples trust in democratic systems and it in the process wrecks democracy. Corruption is wrecking the already very flawed democracy of Israel with it being lead by one of the most corrupt politicians in its history. Where once even the barest whiff of corruption was pounced on now corruption proceeds with impunity. I hope for the sake of all Israelis they jail Bibi like they jailed Olmert. Now if you are saying being against corruption is antisemetic then I would say the only one for sure antisemetic here is you because that is a very horrible anti semetic stereotype of Jews being corrupt. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Apparently a six page spread about the Netanyahu - Mimran affair was published in the french Liberation today, the hebrew media hasn't picked up on the reports yet but some people on facebook are saying that the newspaper claims that the french authorities are investigating the possibility that Netanyahu offered some suspected felons associated with Mimran asylum in Israel which ought to be rather damning. It also seems beyond doubt at the moment that Mimran did indeed transfer at least 170,000 euros to Netanyahu's personal account sometimes between 2001 and 2009. http://www.liberation.fr/planete/2016/06/07/un-francais-dit-avoir-donne-a-netanyahu-un-million-de-francs_1457834 I hope that more information pops up in the hebrew and english media later on today, furthermore I hope that this whole thing explodes in Bibi's smug face. 
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Oh this is glorious - quote:New Documents Show Second French Tycoon Funded Netanyahu Family Vacations This all seemingly related to the old "Bibitours" fiasco in which allegedly Netanyahu and his family used to receive copious bribes by various wealthy well wishers who funded their luxury vacations. Some background on Bibitours can be found here - http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Comptroller-blasts-PM-for-Bibi-Tours-Affair-454841 This man is so incredibly corrupt it's gonna be both shocking and oxymoronically completely unsurprising when he walks away from this whole thing completely unscathed.
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Netanyahu might be a corrupt gently caress, but at least he's not Herzog. As an Israeli I can tell you that not one person here, either in the media or in politics (including his own drat party) takes him seriously.
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Kim Jong Il posted:Are you really that dumb? You realize that directly contradicts the point you're trying to make? The State of Israel's actions, justly or unjustly, start a causal chain that leads to anti-Semitic beliefs. That has nothing to do at all with equating anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. I just don't like your posts/the way you argue and was looking for pretty much anything to make you look stupid. It's not really complicated.
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