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Avulsion
Feb 12, 2006
I never knew what hit me

Serious Frolicking posted:

Also invincible saint is the most boring goddamn thing imaginable.

And bizarrely pro slavery, even for a Japanese WN. Is it some kind of metaphor for the plight of the Japanese salaryman?

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Avulsion posted:

And bizarrely pro slavery, even for a Japanese WN. Is it some kind of metaphor for the plight of the Japanese salaryman?

I quit reading it before it ever mentioned slavery.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

BlitzBlast posted:

Sevens is a harem romance. It does some neat things with the concept, but it is still a harem romance.

I keep saying this, but Sevens is like the definition of genre fiction. Don't expect the impossible from it and you'll be able to better appreciate what's actually there.

JP harems are the weirdest loving thing. The protagonist is always 'reluctant' to add to the harem, but ends up doing so at the drop of a hat. I'm not sure if it'd make more sense to me if the MC was a rampant horndog with the self-control of a rabid wolverine and the confidence to go with it, but just once I'd like to read about a JP MC that makes poo poo happen, instead of being someone poo poo happens to, in a harem setting. It seems like a cultural hangup in that actively pursuing a harem would make it not okay, but if you are sort of half hearted about it , it's okay.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

Cynic Jester posted:

I'm not sure if it'd make more sense to me if the MC was a rampant horndog with the self-control of a rabid wolverine and the confidence to go with it, but just once I'd like to read about a JP MC that makes poo poo happen, instead of being someone poo poo happens to, in a harem setting.

Unfortunately, that's when you end up with stuff like this.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
Yeah, harems without shame always end up being porn. I don't really understand why people translate porn wn's, but hey, that's one genre of terrible fiction I don't feel compelled to read so it doesn't bother me.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

Serious Frolicking posted:

Yeah, harems without shame always end up being porn. I don't really understand why people translate porn wn's, but hey, that's one genre of terrible fiction I don't feel compelled to read so it doesn't bother me.

Narou has an entire sister (?) site devoted to just porn web novels, where the top ranked three are:

http://www.novelupdates.com/series/only-i-am-not-attacked-in-a-world-overflowing-with-zombies/
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/oukoku-e-tsuzuku-michi/
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/maou-no-hajimekata/

The zombie one somehow even has a game adaptation.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
i remember reading the zombie one without realizing it was porn until it became clear the mc was gonna rape a zombie. i guess either i didnt read the tags on novelupdates or else they werent complete when i read it. i read a few chapters of the manga for the maou one until i figured out that it was an extended rape fantasy. i just now read the tags for the gladiator one, but oddly enough rape wasn't included. thats a strange exception, but based on the lolicon tag im assuming it still has pedophilia.

so, that explains why people translate those at least. erotic fiction in their native language evidently wasnt gross enough.

dipple
Oct 22, 2008

Serious Frolicking posted:

so, that explains why people translate those at least. erotic fiction in their native language evidently wasnt gross enough.

There's english fiction just as bad, it's just not all piled into one website's update feed for your convenience like translated CN/JP stories are.

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

darkgray posted:

Narou has an entire sister (?) site devoted to just porn web novels:

Two even, a regular one, and one especially for fujoshi.

Monowhatever
Mar 19, 2010


speaking of Mother of Learning Act 2 just ended in the lastest chapter (54) and poo poo got REAL. Really great story give it a try if you haven't goons.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
anyway, im not gonna read it but i am now morbidly curious about that gladiator porn wn. without the rape gross japanese porn books rely on, how does he get laid? is he like, a smooth operator or does he kinda smash his way around asking "u want sum fuk?" while various anime women swoon?

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Cynic Jester posted:

just once I'd like to read about a JP MC that makes poo poo happen, instead of being someone poo poo happens to, in a harem setting. It seems like a cultural hangup in that actively pursuing a harem would make it not okay, but if you are sort of half hearted about it , it's okay.

Konosuba is pretty much entirely about Kazuma doing something, and it coming back to bite him in the rear end somehow.

This is a quote from the most recent volume:

quote:

“I’m telling the truth. Ask Darkness ‘Did you visit Kazuma’s room late at night and suddenly kiss him?’ if you don’t believe me. But man, what’s going on here? Earlier, Megumin also told me she liked me, and today she said that the two of us should go back home together after the fireworks show— Though she totally ruined that. Big Boss, what should I do? I might take my first step into adulthood this festival.”

“Seriously?! Oh, now that I think about it, earlier you said ‘my relationship with Megumin is pretty good. Darkness seemed to be somewhat interested in me too!’… Wait. Wait, isn’t this a love triangle?!”

Chris covered her mouth with both hands and looked at me in fascination.

“Woooow… When did Darkness get so bold?! And hey you said Megumin likes you too right? What’re you going to do? Who’re you going to choose?!”

“Hey, it’s too early to make a decision like that. I’m having a headache about it, too. The current situation is like the pre-route split section you see in a lot of Japanese novels. Yeah, it’s gotta be that. All of the girls like me and a harem is being formed, after all… But you know, those two girls look pretty enough, but their inner selves aren’t too hot. And if this trend keeps up, I might raise flags for some other girls too. I think I should wait until later to make a decision, but what do you think I should do?”

“I think you should go die."

Konosuba Is Good.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!
Narou, the Japanese web novel portal, has a system where (reading) members can rate titles on a scale from 1-5 in the categories Writing and Story, and in addition you can bookmark favourite titles. These combine somehow into an overall score, which is used to rank all the novels on the site, making it slightly easier (but not really) to figure out what's worth reading.

Narou ranking top 30 (as of today):

1 - 333k: Mushoku Tensei
2 - 248k: Kenkyo, Kenjitsu o Motto ni Ikite Orimasu
3 - 246k: Hachinan tte, Sore wa Nai Deshou!
4 - 232k: Slave Harem in the Labyrinth of the Other World
5 - 231k: Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou
6 - 222k: Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
7 - 214k: Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyusoukyoku
8 - 191k: Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?
9 - 178k: Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari
10 - 174k: The Other World Dining Hall
11 - 165k: Re:Zero Kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu
12 - 163k: Fairy Tale Chronicle*
13 - 162k: Konjiki no Moji Tsukai
14 - 155k: I’m a NEET but When I Went to Hello Work I Got Taken to Another World
15 - 155k: Log Horizon
16 - 151k: Risou no Himo Seikatsu
17 - 151k: Kono Sekai ga Game da to, Ore dake ga Shitte Iru
18 - 149k: Magi Craft Meister
19 - 149k: Regarding the Display of an Outrageous Skill Which Has Incredible Powers
20 - 145k: Because Janitor-san Is Not a Hero
21 - 144k: Legend
22 - 141k: Magi’s Grandson
23 - 141k: Amaku Yasashii Sekai de Ikiru ni wa
24 - 138k: Tsumi Kake Tensei Ryoushu no Kaikaku
25 - 138k: Only Sense Online
26 - 137k: Reincarnated into a Werewolf, the Demon Lord Servants
27 - 137k: Knights & Magic
28 - 137k: Kuro no Maou
29 - 133k: World Teacher – Other World Style Education & Agent
30 - 131k: Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu


Narou R18 ranking top 10:

1 - 71k: Only I Am Not Attacked In A World Overflowing With Zombies
2 - 61k: Oukoku e Tsuzuku Michi
3 - 56k: Maou no Hajimekata
4 - 45k: Himekishi ga Classmate! ~ Isekai Cheat de Dorei ka Harem~
5 - 43k: Nobunaga’s Imouto is My Wife
6 - 42k: Yuusha ni Shihai Sareru Sekai*
7 - 38k: Bishoujo wo Jouzu ni Nikubenki ni Suru Houhou
8 - 38k: Ware ni Cheat o*
9 - 35k: Isekai no Otoko wa Zenmetsu Shita You Desu*
10 - 34k: Pure Love ✕ Insult Complex

Titles with a * are the ones I can't find a novelupdates.com entry for, so no translation available, probably. The "333k" part is how many total points the title has garnered as of today.

I think the ranking displays quite clearly how lovely everyone's taste must be. For reference, Bookworm is at #53, yay.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
it is nice that kumoko is in the top 10 at least, though considering the others up there that may not be a compliment.

jwang
Mar 31, 2013
All it says is that people who reads WN are mostly nerd losers who wish they were OP in RL. And doesn't understand how terrible slavery actually is. The few works that are actually good gets overshadowed by the fact that online votes panders to the most popular wish-fulfillment.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!
Narou Quarterly top 10:

1 - 73k: The Ability to Make Town!? ~Let’s Make a Japanese Town in Different World~
2 - 57k: Kisei Shite Level Ageta n'da ga, Sodachisugita Kamoshirenai*
3 - 55k: Re:Zero Kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu
4 - 54k: Regarding the Display of an Outrageous Skill Which Has Incredible Powers
5 - 52k: Murabito desu ga Nani ka?*
6 - 52k: Guild wa Honjitsu mo Heiwa Nari*
7 - 49k: I Said Make My Abilities Average!
8 - 49k: I Reincarnated Into a Vending Machine
9 - 48k: Live Dungeon!
10 - 44k: Antei Shikou no Yamada-san ni Yoru Isekai Tensei*

This list restricts the points gained to the past three months, in case someone's curious about what's "fresh". Er.

Avulsion
Feb 12, 2006
I never knew what hit me

I've always wondered, do titles like this sound less retarded in Japanese?

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Only slightly less.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

Avulsion posted:

I've always wondered, do titles like this sound less retarded in Japanese?

Mildly. Usually they're basically written in the form of a 2ch thread title, so they're a bit more funnily casual than a literal English translation ends up becoming.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Ahahaha in the vending machine one, he gets XP-equivalent from people spending money, and can use it to upgrade his vending powers. I hope it remains a cool and perfect cycle of capitalism and vending machine powers. :allears:

Comic
Feb 24, 2008

Mad Comic Stylings
I always considered it the Japanese version of book titles like this:

Algid
Oct 10, 2007


Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

Original English work. Author now posts his story here. http://www.fictiongrill.com/
I was sure he was going to go full furry the last couple of chapters but nope fight got resolved via power of dream sequence.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

jon joe posted:

Ahahaha in the vending machine one, he gets XP-equivalent from people spending money, and can use it to upgrade his vending powers. I hope it remains a cool and perfect cycle of capitalism and vending machine powers. :allears:

i don't really know why people were coveting the sentient vending machine in the early chapters i read. money never comes out of it. possessing it is only useful if you can charge a separate fee for access.

dipple
Oct 22, 2008

Serious Frolicking posted:

i don't really know why people were coveting the sentient vending machine in the early chapters i read. money never comes out of it. possessing it is only useful if you can charge a separate fee for access.

They can't just walk down the block to a walmart or a publix. food drink and other supplies in a quantity and variety unimaginable in some fantasy frontier village is more useful than getting the money back out.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

So I'm reading Sevens and was looking at the cover illustration and it's bugging me not knowing which character is which: http://www.novelupdates.com/series/sevens/

I'm guessing top left is the first ancestor and glasses guy is the fourth, since those are the only two that have clearly defining characteristics that I can recall. I wish they had at least had the pictures in order or something.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
I know for sure that the First is the top left, the dude with the curly strand of hair is the Second, the blue haired guy is the Fourth, and the blond haired dude on the left is the Seventh. That leaves the Third, Fifth, and Sixth, and if I recall correctly they're the green haired dude, the guy at the bottom right, and the guy at the top respectively.

That illustration was made long after the fact, many of the major characters never got designs until the LN came out.

EDIT: Incidentally, I was really surprised when Novem turned out to look like this:



Still curious what Miranda will look like, because she's pretty much The Best.

BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jun 8, 2016

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

BlitzBlast posted:

Still curious what Miranda will look like, because she's pretty much The Best.

Third from the left here maybe? Nsfw.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
That's from volume 2, way before she shows up.

Miranda has green hair, it'll be really obvious who she is.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

BlitzBlast posted:

I know for sure that the First is the top left, the dude with the curly strand of hair is the Second, the blue haired guy is the Fourth, and the blond haired dude on the left is the Seventh. That leaves the Third, Fifth, and Sixth, and if I recall correctly they're the green haired dude, the guy at the bottom right, and the guy at the top respectively.

I'm pretty sure you're correct about the 6th as well, since I remember it mentioned he looked like a ruffian or something, and none of the other images fit that bill. I'm a little surprised at the grandpa being blonde guy; I had assumed he was the guy in the bottom right for some reason.

edit: I find myself not really giving a poo poo about the girls in this LN, but I love all of the ancestor guys and their banter with each other and the MC.

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jun 8, 2016

FriggenJ
Oct 23, 2000

BlitzBlast posted:


Still curious what Miranda will look like, because she's pretty much The Best.
I'm pretty sure Mr. Lyle is the best. :c00lbert:

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
The best girl.

Ytlaya posted:

edit: I find myself not really giving a poo poo about the girls in this LN, but I love all of the ancestor guys and their banter with each other and the MC.

That's probably how you should feel, they're the main movers and shakers. The harem part is the B Plot, and while it has its moments it's never particularly a highlight.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I'm 95% sure that Novem is not actually romantically interested in the MC. I don't know what her deal is exactly, but her behavior is kind of strange (especially when the MC confesses that he loves her and she's like "oh that's cool" + the bizarre stuff with her trying to push the MC into a harem. No clue what her motives could be, though.

I kind of like the idea of his sister being basically this super-sociopath that can magically draw those around her into her pace and be awesome at everything. It's not totally clear how Lyle was able to even cut her dress if she was capable of so easily killing those other three somewhat experienced adventurers, at least one of whom was around Zelphy's level. I'm guessing she was just caught off-guard because she was expecting Lyle to be even worse than he actually was during their duel.

By the way, I think you might be wrong about the 3rd being the lower left green-hair guy; it explicitly mentioned a few chapters back (currently at chapter 35) that the third has blonde hair and blue eyes. Granted, I'm not sure if any of the characters in the image have blue eyes (that one has blonde hair, but his eyes don't look blue) so it might be a mistake on the artist's part, but I'm still assuming the blonde is the third. Which was a little unexpected since the bottom left guy's appearance seemed to fit the third's carefree personality better.

So far I'm pretty clear on most of the personalities except for the 6th's. 1st is bombastic barbarian dude, 2nd seems kind of gritty-serious or something (he's probably the second least clear to me though), 3rd is carefree and easy-going, 4th is glasses guy who likes advising Lyle on girls, 5th is really stern guy who dislikes women but loves cute animals, and 7th is his grandpa who favors Lyle pretty heavily.

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jun 9, 2016

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
The 3rd's personality is that he's super manipulative. Permanently closed eyes are like the design archetype for that kind of character.

The 2nd's personality was that he was the opposite of his dad, coolheaded and methodical. The 6th's personality is that he a) doesn't have much of one, all things considered and b) was a rebellious kid.

As for Novem: You would be wrong.

Captain Bravo
Feb 16, 2011

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has been deployed...

...but experts warn it is
just a drop in the ocean.
My working theory as to Lyle's sister is that her jewel only contained one person: The first woman to be born with a skill for possessing other people's bodies. She buys the yellow jewel, searches out someone with a skill that she wants and possesses their body, then re-imprints herself upon the jewel with the second skill. Repeat 5 more times, and you have a completed gem with seven overpowered skills, and one singular guiding malevolence inside. Each time someone activates that jewel, instead of receiving guidance and skills from their ancestors, they get a face-to-face meeting with evil itself, before it steals their body. His sister probably didn't even have a remarkable skill at all, she was just unlucky enough to find that jewel. The real question, assuming my theory is correct, is whether his sister has been trapped within the jewel, if her consciousness is still inside her body, or if she's gone forever and the only solution is to kill the demon in her skin and break the jewel to ensure it can never happen again.

unseenlibrarian
Jun 4, 2012

There's only one thing in the mountains that leaves a track like this. The creature of legend that roams the Timberline. My people named him Sasquatch. You call him... Bigfoot.
So I recently took a look at "I will live my second life" which I'd passed over because I figured from the title that it was another video game protagonist in an RPG fantasy world" thing, but no. No RPG elements at all! Not reincarnation. Surprisingly decent translation! Slavery is not treated as a good thing the protagonist should just accept! Why is it so goddamn sad that my standards have fallen so low that these are all selling points!

It's the most "American YA Fantasy as a Japanese Light novel" story I've ever seen, really. In fact if you put "Tamora Pierce" on the author line I wouldn't actually doubt it.

Lyon
Apr 17, 2003
This arc of ISSTH is starting to drag a bit like the western desert arc. Murder a bunch of people and then sever your devilishness already!

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Lyon posted:

This arc of ISSTH is starting to drag a bit like the western desert arc. Murder a bunch of people and then sever your devilishness already!

We're currently in the "boring fights" phase of ISSTH, leave it be for a while and there'll be Shenanigans again.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
He can't really do shenanigans while he is dragging around this huge entourage.

jwang
Mar 31, 2013
I really don't get what's with the obsession with auctions in these Chinese WN. It seems like every other one would involve an auction in some shape or form.

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
It is a shortcut to introduce a bunch of new characters and add tension. Also everyone involved gets to talk about face, which is very important.

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