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Alain Post posted:Lmao Roman has been absolutely putting in the effort in main events for like a year now despite everyone in the building booing him, something which virtually any babyface in the 80s would face by scowling, putting on a lovely match, and storming off, and yet he needs a "work ethic". More racism imo. what about his naps
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naps are good just like roman
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is roman reigns good? Dostoyevsky once wrote, “If you wish to glimpse inside a human soul and get to know a man, don't bother analyzing his ways of being silent, of talking, of weeping, of seeing how much he is moved by noble ideas; you will get better results if you just watch him laugh. If he laughs well, he's a good man.” 
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Under the vegetable posted:Hes a 7 pushed as a 10 so everyone thinks hes a 6. The idea that he needs a worth ethic is nonsense and wrestlers shouldn't have humility. That's not how it works. Roman Reigns the guy who worked so hard he ended up with a really hosed up hernia needs a work ethic.
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Jun 8, 2016 01:54
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Roman Reigns the guy who constantly gives interviews about how entitled he is, is carried through every main event match he's ever been in and gets gassed immediately/has a hard time lifting people who weigh less than him, could indeed stand to work a little harder for his job instead of coasting in the top spot because he feels like he deserves it.
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Under the vegetable posted:Hes a 7 pushed as a 10 so everyone thinks hes a 6. Mohammad Ali is dead three days and now sports entertainers should show humility.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:01
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Alain Post posted:Lmao Roman has been absolutely putting in the effort in main events for like a year now despite everyone in the building booing him, something which virtually any babyface in the 80s would face by scowling, putting on a lovely match, and storming off, and yet he needs a "work ethic". More racism imo. Roman is suffering from the exact same problem Cena did, though, and Cena is very white (and Roman is also the same ethnicity as the single most revered wrestler of the past 30 years). They're both good wrestlers. Their ability in the ring is not the problem with them, at all. The problem is entirely on WWE's end: they're not using him right, they're specifically playing to his weaknesses. If Roman was taken off TV for a month, turned heel, given a new name, and given a manager to talk for him, I guaran-fuckin'-tee you people would turn around on him very quickly.
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Under the vegetable posted:Roman Reigns the guy who constantly gives interviews about how entitled he is, is carried through every main event match he's ever been in and gets gassed immediately/has a hard time lifting people who weigh less than him, could indeed stand to work a little harder for his job instead of coasting in the top spot because he feels like he deserves it. Amazing that AJ Styles was able to carry easily gassed, poor work ethic Roman Reigns to a better match than most of his matches with great wrestlers in Japan. Roman Reigns is just so bad he made AJ Styles better!
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Jun 8, 2016 02:06
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Roman is suffering from the exact same problem Cena did, though, and Cena is very white (and Roman is also the same ethnicity as the single most revered wrestler of the past 30 years). I knew Hulk Hogan wasn't white.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:09
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roman could work on his cardio a bit is all i'm sayin
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Jun 8, 2016 02:10
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Fact is that smarks always turn on non-white wrestlers. Rey Mysterio was the greatest worker of his generation and he got mercilessly mocked for "always having the same match", a "lame" babyface act, and the 619, while much poorer wrestlers like Edge coasted by. Booed out of the building after decades of great work in favor of the (white) Daniel Bryan. It's a total disgrace.
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MassRafTer posted:Amazing that AJ Styles was able to carry easily gassed, poor work ethic Roman Reigns to a better match than most of his matches with great wrestlers in Japan. Whoever agenting threw in the steph/shane stuff so Roman could have a sit down before the finish.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:11
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Alain Post posted:Fact is that smarks always turn on non-white wrestlers. Rey Mysterio was the greatest worker of his generation and he got mercilessly mocked for "always having the same match", a "lame" babyface act, and the 619, while much poorer wrestlers like Edge coasted by. Booed out of the building after decades of great work in favor of the (white) Daniel Bryan. It's a total disgrace. Smarks constantly poo poo on Rock's work back in the day (and are suspiciously negative on his matches with Cena too.) Sad!
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I have literally never seen smarks poo poo on Rey or Rock (Rock was actually who I was referring to when I said "the most revered wrestler of the past 30 years"), and as I mentioned Cena caught a ton of poo poo for the same reason Roman is (WWE didn't play to his strengths, and instead accentuated the stuff he's weak in) e: honestly I only specified "30 years" because my wrestling knowledge kinda dips when it comes to pre-80s stuff and I'm pretty sure Harley Race/Nick Bockwinkel/etc are more revered than Rock, but it's definitely close.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:25
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When I say US y'all say O US!
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MassRafTer posted:Amazing that AJ Styles was able to carry easily gassed, poor work ethic Roman Reigns to a better match than most of his matches with great wrestlers in Japan. I know your gimmick is contrarianism and 99% of the time PSP posters deserve it for their dumb group-think and poorly formed opinions, but the idea that either of those matches with Roman AJ had were better than most of his New Japan matches is batshit madness.
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Yahoo!
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MassRafTer posted:Amazing that AJ Styles was able to carry easily gassed, poor work ethic Roman Reigns to a better match than most of his matches with great wrestlers in Japan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fslVUNDCJIU
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Sanguinia posted:I know your gimmick is contrarianism and 99% of the time PSP posters deserve it for their dumb group-think and poorly formed opinions, but the idea that either of those matches with Roman AJ had were better than most of his New Japan matches is batshit madness. his gimmick isn't contrarianism, more specifically, it's being a wwe mark and vociferously claiming that his opinions are more correct and factual than anyone else's
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Jun 8, 2016 02:30
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"gimmick"
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MassRafTer posted:Amazing that AJ Styles was able to carry easily gassed, poor work ethic Roman Reigns to a better match than most of his matches with great wrestlers in Japan. those matches were really good but outside of maybe that first okada match where he won the belt in 2014 I can't think of any major njpw match that was better than
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RacistGuidingLight posted:"gimmick" Presenting unpopular opinions about Roman or Cena or whatever other thing most PSP posters hate is just posting. Doing it in the most obnoxious possible way in an obvious attempt to rile up the majority hivemind is gimmick posting. You on the other hand RGL, are just a funny dude and I like your posts  I actually also like MassRafter and think he provides a much needed minority counter-point around here, but he can be a bit much in his obvious attempts to stir the pot.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:36
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Sanguinia posted:I know your gimmick is contrarianism and 99% of the time PSP posters deserve it for their dumb group-think and poorly formed opinions, but the idea that either of those matches with Roman AJ had were better than most of his New Japan matches is batshit madness. I like that when confronted with the truth people accuse me of having a gimmick. Go take some Meltzer star ratings and compare the Extreme Rules main event to AJ in NJPW. I know it's higher than several of his matches with Okada and Tanahashi. I'm not making this easy for Roman given how often Dave is accused of a pro Japan bias.
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MassRafTer posted:I like that when confronted with the truth people accuse me of having a gimmick. Since when do you of all people cite to Meltzer Stars as some be-all quality measurement? I'm not taking anything away from Roman's match at ER (Or Payback for that matter, I liked the overbooking and thought it mostly worked, I was a big fan of that bout), but you specifically said "most of his matches with great wrestlers in Japan." As in, those two matches are head and shoulders above the majority of New Japan run matches. Not only is that not even a fair comparison since its holding up two matches within a single feud across a two-month period against an entire multi-year period which just by dint of being a long period of time has a greater chance for a few mis-steps, I frankly just don't consider it to be true.
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Sanguinia posted:Since when do you of all people cite to Meltzer Stars as some be-all quality measurement? I'm not taking anything away from Roman's match at ER (Or Payback for that matter, I liked the overbooking and thought it mostly worked, I was a big fan of that bout), but you specifically said "most of his matches with great wrestlers in Japan." As in, those two matches are head and shoulders above the majority of New Japan run matches. Not only is that not even a fair comparison since its holding up two matches against an entire multi-year period which just by dint of being a long period of time has a greater chance for a few mis-steps, I frankly just don't consider it to be true. I don't want to split hairs but I do not think it is a shocking statement to say the Extreme Rules match was better than 50% of AJ's matches with great wrestlers in Japan. I didn't say head ad shoulders, just that it was better. Meltzer stars are an easy thing to cite since it would be slightly biased of me to list which matches I personally think are worse, and Dave is often accused of rating NJPW matches too highly.
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Not like MRT needs my help or nothing but y'all lay off him. Saying he posts in bad faith is absolutely rich, considering some of the ridiculous and pedantic attempts attempts at critique on Roman that could be summed up far more elegantly and honestly by simply saying "I don't like him". Considering the myopic criteria for what makes a champ I can't see to many of y'all liking much of anything.
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Roman is the best, he is my man. This isn't a joke please don't think so
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I really appreciate anyone who thinks my opinions are a gimmick. I wish I could put this much effort into creating art that is so consistent across the forums, twitter and the rare instances in real life where people ask me about Roman Reigns. The kind of dedication I have to keep this up since 2013 is deserving of a medal.
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I want to lick Roman Reigns' abs.
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MassRafTer posted:I don't want to split hairs but I do not think it is a shocking statement to say the Extreme Rules match was better than 50% of AJ's matches with great wrestlers in Japan. I didn't say head ad shoulders, just that it was better. Meltzer stars are an easy thing to cite since it would be slightly biased of me to list which matches I personally think are worse, and Dave is often accused of rating NJPW matches too highly. Well, I guess that's reasonable. I'll retract my outrage. But I still don't think its in any way logical or fair to compare two matches over a two month period to an entire multi-year run. Of course if you take fewer bites at the apple your average will be higher. RacistGuidingLight posted:Not like MRT needs my help or nothing but y'all lay off him. Saying he posts in bad faith is absolutely rich, considering some of the ridiculous and pedantic attempts attempts at critique on Roman that could be summed up far more elegantly and honestly by simply saying "I don't like him". Considering the myopic criteria for what makes a champ I can't see to many of y'all liking much of anything. As I said, I like MRT and I like the perspective he brings to this forum. I really dislike the groupthink and Reddit-tier poo poo that many folks around here spew. I also don't in any way question the sincerity of his opinions and likes. But I don't think its outrageous to call it like I see it and say he phrases things specifically to get under people's skin. He didn't SAY that Roman is a better wrestler than Okada and Tanahashi, but you could certainly infer it from what he wrote and I can't imagine he didn't intend that to at least a certain degree. Yeah, its SA and everyone always needs thicker skin and to get over themselves, but I'm not going to pretend somebody I disagree with isn't also being kind of obnoxious when they're doing it on purpose.
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MRT is a cool guy with cool hair and I trust everything he says is genuine and true
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Sanguinia posted:I don't think its outrageous to call it like I see it and say he phrases things specifically to get under people's skin. He didn't SAY that Roman is a better wrestler than Okada and Tanahashi, but you could certainly infer it from what he wrote and I can't imagine he didn't intend that to at least a certain degree. Advanced technique.
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I think Romans matches were fun, but every match seems to have some gimmick where they stop the match for like 10 minutes.
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MRT is my friend and I don't like you guys bullying him just because you don't like the best wrestler on the WWE roster
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I personally think everyone should be bullied. Let's bring bully culture back.
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RacistGuidingLight posted:Saying he posts in bad faith is absolutely rich, considering some of the ridiculous and pedantic attempts attempts at critique on Roman that could be summed up far more elegantly and honestly by simply saying "I don't like him". more people need to get comfortable with saying "I just don't like him" not everyone you dislike is a bad wrestler, and hell, i love plenty of bad ones myself
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Everyone loves a few bad wrestlers. Even Big Dave Meltzer himself is a big mark for Edge.
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gently caress you edge was great
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John Cena is a top 5 greatest wrestler of all time but he's not my favorite. I don't try to mask my disinterest in him with some contrived excuse about his work rate.
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RacistGuidingLight posted:Advanced technique. Whatever, if I'm wrong I'm wrong and if MRT said he in no way intended to rile people with obvious implication I'd believe him. I'm just going by what seems obvious to me. Anyway RGL, I want to ask you something: You said that most of the posts about Roman would be more elegant and honest of they just boiled down to "I don't like him." Considering that I'm infamous for feeling the need to explain myself at length about everything, I'm curious: Do you really feel like giving reasons to support "I like/don't like X" is ultimately just obfuscation and/or a waste or effort and the baldfaced emotional statement free of context is more meaningful? And I'm not talking about bullshit opinions based on nothing like "Roman is an entitled poo poo," or "Roman doesn't work hard," I'm talking like concrete examples, specific performances or traits displayed actively on-camera that people can say "This is why I don't like him." I don't necessarily disagree with you, so I'm legit curious.
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