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Ineffiable posted:Imagine if we had a line of amiibo knockoffs based on the world of final fantasy. Service for them would be cancelled without warning one day.
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Jun 7, 2016 21:52
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So look. Final Fantasy X. I get that people don't like it. But here's the thing. It's so loving well put together. The soundtrack has multiple leitmotifs that flow throughout the story--the visual language is clearly identified and consistent. The themes are consistent with the characters actions, the world is impeccably detailed and demonstrated both via showing AND via telling. Of all the Final Fantasy games, X is easily the most cohesive, the one with the clearest direction from its outset, and the one where all of its elements tie into its ultimate conclusion. For good or for ill, Final Fantasy X is exactly the game it wants to be, and I think Square should at least be given credit for that, given how loving rudderless FF8, 13 and its ilk were.
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Jun 8, 2016 01:55
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I think people do like FFX though
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Jun 8, 2016 01:57
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Help Im Alive posted:I think people do like FFX though everyone likes a ff every FF is the best game ever, except 3DS everyone hates that one
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Jun 8, 2016 01:59
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i don't think anyone likes dirge of cerebus either
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Jun 8, 2016 02:00
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I think FFX consistently shows up in people's top 3 best Final Fantasy lists, it was a very popular and commercially successful game. It's also very easy to make of, which was of course corrected in the totally unmockable Final Fantasy X-2.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:02
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i'll forever hate FFXII because it make the races from FFTA(2) go from cute and stylish to muddy, disgusting, and frumpy.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:05
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exquisite tea posted:I think FFX consistently shows up in people's top 3 best Final Fantasy lists, it was a very popular and commercially successful game. It's also very easy to make of, which was of course corrected in the totally unmockable Final Fantasy X-2. True. I feel people often latch onto elements of games that they like/don't like that are largely independent of the entire production. It's something to note--most Final Fantasy games have often fallen short in some element of their design. FF7 has a disconnect of its themes--a cyberpunk world full still of weird medieval fantasy pastiches; FF8 starts out as this rather serious, pseudo-contemporary military game and then diverges into weird fantastical sorceress hunting and romance. FF9 is perfect in every way. But FFX is the one Final Fantasy that has the ambition of the 3-D generation, but also a consistency unheard of prior. It's so cohesive in so many ways that it's quite staggering to consider. It isn't my favorite FF, but I'd point towards it as being the "masterpiece" of the series, in the sense that it is a sweeping romantic epic told well, and not burdened by inconsistencies.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:06
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mandatory lesbian posted:i don't think anyone likes dirge of cerebus either I think baal likes it
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Jun 8, 2016 02:12
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The worldbuilding and thematic unities of FFX are definitely among its strongest aspects. Like there was considerable care and attention put into imagining how a world like Spira might exist instead of just putting in whatever poo poo sounded cool like gundams right next to castles and knights.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:13
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mandatory lesbian posted:everyone likes a ff I liked the version I got on Steam, which is based on a phone version which is based on the DS version. Does that count? And there are definitely people who liked Dirge of Cerberus. This forum just has a couple "completely acceptable targets." 8-Bit Scholar posted:True. I feel people often latch onto elements of games that they like/don't like that are largely independent of the entire production. It's something to note--most Final Fantasy games have often fallen short in some element of their design. FF7 has a disconnect of its themes--a cyberpunk world full still of weird medieval fantasy pastiches; FF8 starts out as this rather serious, pseudo-contemporary military game and then diverges into weird fantastical sorceress hunting and romance. FF9 is perfect in every way. FFXII is pretty consistent. People who talk about the Occuria coming out of nowhere just weren't paying attention. But I am inclined to agree that FFX is probably the best-told story in the series. I have mentioned this pretty frequently but I really think the "Pilgrimage format" helped give the game direction and also helped our heroes from looking like total dunces. There was one set goal from the beginning and everything revolved around that goal. No other FF is like that except I guess FF2 or something.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:14
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In Training posted:I think baal likes it baal likes everything terrible, it's why he was made a mod
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Jun 8, 2016 02:15
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NikkolasKing posted:FFXII is pretty consistent. People who talk about the Occuria coming out of nowhere just weren't paying attention. XII is great, it is the closest to the classic FF games that the 3-D entries had gotten since FF9. The cohesiveness of the world is really what kept me coming, I would hunt down monsters just to get additional pages to the bestiary.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:16
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I like Dirge of Cerberus, but not as a game
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Jun 8, 2016 02:16
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Countblanc posted:i'll forever hate FFXII because it make the races from FFTA(2) go from cute and stylish to muddy, disgusting, and frumpy. At least they went back to that in A2 with the added bonus of the Seeq turning out pretty cool in the Advance artstyle.  
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Jun 8, 2016 02:18
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mandatory lesbian posted:i don't think anyone likes dirge of cerebus either Somebody must have, otherwise why would Shelke "Mind Clone of dead Scientist who mothered the Sephiroth and cuckolded Vincent" be in World of FF?
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Jun 8, 2016 02:37
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Electric Phantasm posted:At least they went back to that in A2 with the added bonus of the Seeq turning out pretty cool in the Advance artstyle. only having 4 jobs was bullshit tho!!!
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Jun 8, 2016 02:46
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same with gria, can't believe they gave me super cute dragon girls and only gave them 4 costumes!!!
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Jun 8, 2016 02:47
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I really enjoyed X when I first played through it, and never did play with the expert sphere grid or whatever it's called. With the HD remake, is there any difference between getting it on steam or on the PS4? I could go either way, unless one is clearly better than the other?
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Jun 8, 2016 02:48
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When the hell is FFT A3, Square? A2 was really good and could be even better with a few minor tweaks.
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Jun 8, 2016 03:48
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Fhqwhgads posted:I really enjoyed X when I first played through it, and never did play with the expert sphere grid or whatever it's called. With the HD remake, is there any difference between getting it on steam or on the PS4? I could go either way, unless one is clearly better than the other? Steam has dual audio (though you have to mod in English subs on the Japanese track, hah) and a bunch of speed/booster options.
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Jun 8, 2016 04:24
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Grozz Nuy posted:When the hell is FFT A3, Square? A2 was really good and could be even better with a few minor tweaks. seriously, im fukkin pissed
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Jun 8, 2016 04:25
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Grozz Nuy posted:When the hell is FFT A3, Square? A2 was really good and could be even better with a few minor tweaks. I'd like to see a square-one approach, where they cut back on the number of jobs but open them up to every race. Then do the FFV "equipping this class skill gives you the best of that class' stats." Just let people go absolutely apeshit with class builds and customization. 8-Bit Scholar posted:FF7 has a disconnect of its themes--a cyberpunk world full still of weird medieval fantasy pastiches I feel the need to call this bit out in particular, since that was actually kind of the point the game was making. The Shinra Corporation was advancing too quickly, spreading tech in bits and pieces where they needed it in the rest of the world while sitting uncontested atop a cyberpunk metropolis. It happens in the real world as well; you won't find the same kinds of advances and conveniences in Podunk as you would in NYC. It's a more extreme example in VII, I'll grant you, but it's not completely unbelievable. I'd actually say it's less of a problem in VII than it was in IV and VI, where you have city-states and castle towns coexisting with airships and mecha. Cannons were enough to invalidate high castle walls in actual history, never mind cannons mounted on boats that can sail clean over the walls to blast you directly.
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Jun 8, 2016 04:34
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WaltherFeng posted:Guys, did you hear the best FF ever made is getting a PS4 remaster? I've been waiting for this for several years now. They're remaking V for PS4!?
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Jun 8, 2016 04:39
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It just becomes weird when the podunk towns have the really good armour and weapons while the tech metropolis sells you crap.
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Jun 8, 2016 04:39
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Yeah, FF7 is a fantasy world with sci-fi poo poo crammed into it because that's exactly what Shinra was doing, destroying the natural beauty of the world by covering it in ugly technology. Nothing disconnected about it.Pureauthor posted:It just becomes weird when the podunk towns have the really good armour and weapons while the tech metropolis sells you crap. It just has that personal homemade touch that mass-produced products could never live up to.
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Jun 8, 2016 04:41
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Pureauthor posted:It just becomes weird when the podunk towns have the really good armour and weapons while the tech metropolis sells you crap. Just going for the classic fantasy 'the older stuff is the better it is' thing
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Jun 8, 2016 05:12
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm not sure where you're getting that from, since it's the first I've heard of it. He just seems to get multiple actions as the fight goes on and Grand Cross has RNG into it. Chaotic Flame posted:First I'm hearing of this. I thought he just got multiple turns. Happened to lose the rest of my party in a Necron fight once and then noticed he wasn't doing poo poo anymore so I investigated it for an hour out of curiosity
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Jun 8, 2016 07:28
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CeallaSo posted:I'd actually say it's less of a problem in VII than it was in IV and VI, where you have city-states and castle towns coexisting with airships and mecha. Cannons were enough to invalidate high castle walls in actual history, never mind cannons mounted on boats that can sail clean over the walls to blast you directly. tbf it's not like IV ignores that; it's explicitly the reason for Baron's uncontested military dominance.
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Jun 8, 2016 07:35
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FFX is a very solid game, and really one of Square's best efforts. Honestly every FF game is pretty good (except your favorite).
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Jun 8, 2016 08:48
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The translators for FFXII The Zodiac Age Should I know who any of these people are? Does anyone here know what they've done?
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Jun 8, 2016 08:51
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Alexander O. Smith is VERY good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O._Smith#Works
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Jun 8, 2016 08:57
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kirbysuperstar posted:Alexander O. Smith is VERY good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O._Smith#Works Yeah definitely, and as far as anyone really needs to know in regards to him doing FFXII TZA, he did FFXII so things will be as consistent as they possibly could be 10 years apart.
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Jun 8, 2016 09:01
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Alexander O. Smith is hotly-debated (he was behind a lot of the Faux-Elizabethan Speeke in some newer Square titles) but I personally like his work a whole lot  FFTA2 and FFXII in particular really benefit from his exaggerated, theatrical style.
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Jun 8, 2016 09:02
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Oh. I of course know who Smith is and I like his work. But it didn't say Alex Smith, it said something and Joseph Reeder. Oh well, I'm happy. Panic! at Nabisco posted:Alexander O. Smith is hotly-debated (he was behind a lot of the Faux-Elizabethan Speeke in some newer Square titles) but I personally like his work a whole lot https://youtu.be/9X4qrtfzzYY?t=14m33s This scene is beautiful and speaks of the amazing talent that went into XII's localization. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Jun 8, 2016 09:09
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Countblanc posted:i'll forever hate FFXII because it make the races from FFTA(2) go from cute and stylish to muddy, disgusting, and frumpy. I hate that your party is five humans and a bunny girl. All these cool races in Ivalice and you don't get to have any of them in your party.
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Jun 8, 2016 09:10
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I think Smith's style gives a ton of color to the Ivalice setting specifically, I guess I can see why some people bounce off it but it fits the thematic base of Matsuno's work really well for me.
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Jun 8, 2016 09:10
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Fister Roboto posted:I hate that your party is five humans and a bunny girl. All these cool races in Ivalice and you don't get to have any of them in your party. Yeah where's my Bangaa and Moogle party members 
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Jun 8, 2016 09:25
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mandatory lesbian posted:everyone likes a ff nikkolasking liked ff3-ds
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Jun 8, 2016 09:54
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The White Dragon posted:nikkolasking liked ff3-ds As did a lot of people on Steam, apparently. The absolute hatred for the game seems to be a phenomenon localized on SA. Other boards I frequent are indifferent to the game or only feel very mildly for or against it.
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