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Epic High Five posted:Must watch for anybody just tuning in: I thought the baddies weren't allowed to use Apple products  How will I know who the real terrorists are on the upcoming season of 24 if they don't have to use Dell?!
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Clinton wearing a fancy old lady jacket will never top Mitt Romney's private jet popping out of a hangar in Columbus to the tune of Fanfare For The Common Man.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Thanks for at least making substantive points rather than pretending that voicing concern that she would 'absent-mindedly' wear a $12k jacket is equivalent to asking her to shoplift from Goodwill, or that it's just an "expensive" item rather than an utterly decadent one. Look we get it. Your candidate lost, you feel hurt, your sense of purpose has been damaged, your life view of politics and how it all works has been challenged, your concerned but yet, you feel impotent and unfulfilled. It's OK, we understand. But, there's lots more to this election to come and, even though you may not think so now, it's OK to compromise on what you thought was perfection to advance your ideas even a little bit. It's politics man and it happens every two years.
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Jun 8, 2016 13:59
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sean10mm posted:Bernie has very little leverage after getting his rear end beat in California and New Jersey. The best he can do now is offer unconditional support to Clinton in return for some token concessions on committees and poo poo. Anything less and they'll tell him to go gently caress himself because they have the votes to do anything they want when push comes to shove. Its hilarious that people think a committee position is a reward for selling out your beliefs.
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comes along bort posted:The party will play nice because they want his donor list. This is why all the Clinton flaks on cable last night were saying they're gonna "give him space" to finish out next week. I'm not sure if pithy tweets and long-form screeds from the staff of the intercept qualify as donations.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:04
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comes along bort posted:Clinton wearing a fancy old lady jacket will never top Mitt Romney's private jet popping out of a hangar in Columbus to the tune of Fanfare For The Common Man. Yea, a $12k jacket doesn't hold a candle to Mitt "Car elevator and dressage horse" Romney or Donald "All of my poo poo is gold" Trump.
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Three female scholars react to Hillary Clinton nomination Phone-posting, so can't quote well, but the The Conversation's facebook summarized their points thusly: "Three perspectives on Hillary Clinton's victories on #primaryday, and her historic first: 1) "The best predictor of a state’s peacefulness is how well its women are treated." 2) "No other woman in American history has successfully negotiated the cross-cutting pressures of the feminist movements that bore her." 3) "This race is poised to be divisive and demoralizing." "
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Hey McAlister, you are a Good Poster. Your posts are thought-through and a lot less prone to hyperbole and aggression than the vast majority of stuff in USPol. Please keep up the effortposting.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:05
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radical meme posted:Look we get it. Your candidate lost, you feel hurt, your sense of purpose has been damaged, your life view of politics and how it all works has been challenged, your concerned but yet, you feel impotent and unfulfilled. It's OK, we understand. But, there's lots more to this election to come and, even though you may not think so now, it's OK to compromise on what you thought was perfection to advance your ideas even a little bit. It's politics man and it happens every two years.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:06
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WampaLord posted:Yea, a $12k jacket doesn't hold a candle to Mitt "Car elevator and dressage horse" Romney or Donald "All of my poo poo is gold" Trump. Not to mention a decent domestic-facing leather jacket with a proper fleece lining is going to start at $1500. Granted, these are two different price-of-a-car classes we're talking about but at least they're both used cars. Romney had mansions in 3 timezones and one had an elevator for his cars.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:07
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Also do we really think that she actually paid for that suit coat or whatever or was it more than likely gifted
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Jun 8, 2016 14:09
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Cugel the Clever posted:No? I went into this primary season knowing full-well Bernie would lose—check my post history. Would you care to respond to the substantive points raised rather than projecting your emotional entanglement with your candidate? I would if I gave a gently caress about any of those things.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:09
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FAUXTON posted:Not to mention a decent domestic-facing leather jacket with a proper fleece lining is going to start at $1500. Granted, these are two different price-of-a-car classes we're talking about but at least they're both used cars. It's not even made from anything rare, it's just tweed according to the papers. Which is a little rough for a city speech, you know? Fabric choice is important, people. And it was off the rack, from Armani, which doesn't signal an emphasis on craftsmanship and personalization. You could get that whole outfit, and I mean everything down to your socks and underwear, tailor-made right here in America for far less than $12.5k. What message does that send about her fiscal policy? Absolutely nothing, of course.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:17
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Shuka posted:Its hilarious that people think a committee position is a reward for selling out your beliefs. It's more that he can't demand more than that and expect to actually get it. Had he gotten more votes he might have been able to make more demands and actually expect them to be taken seriously, but he's not in that position. Instead he's the guy who struck a defiant note on Monday, and then immediately got plowed everywhere that mattered on Tuesday.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:19
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btw I wouldn't hold anything against a rich person spending their money, if they consume they take part in the economy and enrich everyone by a bit it's the assholes that sit on their riches to capture rent that you need to worry about
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Jun 8, 2016 14:20
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If you think a $12,000 anything is a lot of money in the context of the USA's wealth inequality, then you have no idea how much wealth the top 1% actually hold. If you think it's hypocrisy then you're dumb because no one is proposing taking away the Armani coats of the well-to-do, not even Sanders. The problem is a handful of people holding huge chunks of our natural resources and directing huge pieces of our economy, not ladies wearing loving nice coats sometimes.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:23
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Why do I get the feeling that the people making a fuss about Hillary's expensive clothes would make a fuss if she'd worn cheap clothes? They're already angry at her and are happy to use any excuse that presents itself to continue being angry at her.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:26
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Chantilly Say posted:It's not even made from anything rare, it's just tweed according to the papers. Which is a little rough for a city speech, you know? Fabric choice is important, people. And it was off the rack, from Armani, which doesn't signal an emphasis on craftsmanship and personalization. You could get that whole outfit, and I mean everything down to your socks and underwear, tailor-made right here in America for far less than $12.5k. What message does that send about her fiscal policy? Well she doesn't dress in sackcloth so she has no legitimacy in discussing wealth inequality  E: everyone concerned about clothes should look into the reaches of Dennis Kozlowski's excess.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:35
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Why do I get the feeling USPol continues to be the easiest to troll thread?
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Jun 8, 2016 14:36
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Mr Hootington posted:Why do I get the feeling USPol continues to be the easiest to troll thread? Beep boop buncha loving losers here getting excited/distressed about the governance of their city/state/country, abort retry fail?
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Jun 8, 2016 14:38
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WampaLord posted:Yea, a $12k jacket doesn't hold a candle to Mitt "Car elevator and dressage horse" Romney or Donald "All of my poo poo is gold" Trump. FAUXTON posted:Romney had mansions in 3 timezones and one had an elevator for his cars. It seems a bit odd to talk about how the Clintons' luxuries are just necessities in the harsh glare of national politics, but Republicans' luxuries are proof they are out of touch with real, hard-working Americans.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:40
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I feel as though the jacket thing may not be about the jacket.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:41
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FAUXTON posted:Beep boop buncha loving losers here getting excited/distressed about the
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It's mi abuela buddy
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Jun 8, 2016 14:43
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Mr Hootington posted:Why do I get the feeling USPol continues to be the easiest to troll thread? General politics discussion attracts uninformed yet passionate idiots, who knew.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:43
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VitalSigns posted:If you think a $12,000 anything is a lot of money in the context of the USA's wealth inequality, then you have no idea how much wealth the top 1% actually hold. 
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Jun 8, 2016 14:43
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Has anyone looked up how much most candidates suits/shoes cost this is important
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Jun 8, 2016 14:45
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Cugel the Clever posted:No? I went into this primary season knowing full-well Bernie would lose—check my post history. Would you care to respond to the substantive points raised rather than projecting your emotional entanglement with your candidate? I don't think that Suit-Ghazi counts as a substantive point.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:46
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On Terra Firma posted:Has anyone looked up how much most candidates suits/shoes cost this is important Trump probably pays a lot for his suits, not so much for the material but hiring a wizard tailor costs a pretty penny.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:46
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maybe stop reacting to the one post about the suit and we can move on
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Jun 8, 2016 14:48
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FAUXTON posted:Trump probably pays a lot for his suits, not so much for the material but hiring a wizard tailor costs a pretty penny. That's sort of my point. Dudes are going to spend a shitload of money on clothes too just nobody cares.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:49
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FAUXTON posted:Well she doesn't dress in sackcloth so she has no legitimacy in discussing wealth inequality The issue of clothing does have a place in politics. You can read stories about Jackie Kennedy's clothes written by both lovers and haters. Nancy Reagan was a fashionista and drew a lot of hate for it. It's usually a criticism thrown at women in politics and I expect what Hillary wears and when and where she wears it will be a hot topic. Rarely does it come up for men in politics. Just look at the absolute fashion mess that is Rand Paul; following in the footsteps of his father. I have no doubt that all of Trump's suits, and shirts are hand made for him and it shows; he's well dressed and if nothing else, he looks Presidential.
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On Terra Firma posted:That's sort of my point. Dudes are going to spend a shitload of money on clothes too just nobody cares. Nobody should care, either. They're on television and traveling pretty much all the time so you can see why they spend a ton on appearances.
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Hey have you guys heard about that cryptoIslamocommuNazi Barack HUSSEIN Obama ordering FRENCH loving MUSTARD on his hamburger? What's wrong with good old American yellow mustard?!? Look at this poo poo, there's no way he's an American? Do you guys remember that from (I think) '09? MUSTARD-GATE?!?! You people talking about Hillary's jacket are just as stupid as the people complaining about Obama's mustard. I had a feeling that Bernie was going to flame out rather than fade away. Now the only question is how bad are the flames he's stoking going to burn him. This is what happens when you basically accomplish very little during your political career and then suddenly one day you have tens of thousands of people telling you you're the Messiah for months on end. It's not surprising, but it is pretty disappointing.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:51
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sean10mm posted:It's more that he can't demand more than that and expect to actually get it. Thats a very fair assessment and i thank you for the serious reply. I just think that he doesnt care about positions, titles, or even the nomination if he thought he could get the govt focused on people and not corporations.
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If a politician says that they're going to want to do something to alleviate income inequality, then we would obviously look towards whether or not they deliver on that promise. Actions speak louder than words and all that. In that context, what does it matter what they're wearing? If it's appropriate to the speech (expensive clothes? cheap clothes? just-right clothes?), does that mean we won't need to wait anymore because we're already convinced that they'll follow through?
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On Terra Firma posted:That's sort of my point. Dudes are going to spend a shitload of money on clothes too just nobody cares. Remember when Obama went to a press conference wearing a tan suit? He could have announced he was outlawing blowjobs and every news outlet would still have been talking about that suit. And it was bad! It didn't loving fit properly, drat it! You're the President! Why do you have a collar gap?!
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FAUXTON posted:Trump probably pays a lot for his suits, not so much for the material but hiring a wizard tailor costs a pretty penny. Last I heard he wears Brioni, and their OTR stuff is like $7k+, so I'm sure he's dropping fat stacks on bespoke. He should wear Martin Greenfield, or another American, like Obama does though.
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Mr Hootington posted:Why do I get the feeling USPol continues to be the easiest to troll thread? Going into the GE it'll probably transition more towards a form of performance art that challenges base reality so enjoy it while it lasts.
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I think that the true issue here is that that $12K thing looked like a shower curtain. e: or maybe it's me who has no taste (more likely).
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