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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
| Total: | 2130 votes | ||
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The deadline is today! Tonight! gently caress it, tomorrow! 1938: The Anschluss Tesseraction fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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I hope the people that left it until 11:50pm on the day of the deadline don't all leave it until the same time on the new deadline. Some people have access issues or scheduling problems where it's not fair to just say "shoulda planned better, scrubs  " but that can't account for anywhere near all of those flooding the site just before midnight on the last day, and I hope people take a hint.
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Jun 8, 2016 15:57
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Trickjaw posted:New voting registration deadline: midnight Thursday (no foreigns) It's like Cameron has realised too late that most of those people he disenfranchised are likely to be Remain voters.
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Jun 8, 2016 15:58
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I just love how desperate Cameron is to get people to vote now he can't just plain-sail his way to victory.
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Jun 8, 2016 15:58
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gently caress you marktheando don't beat me to it. 
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Jun 8, 2016 15:59
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Tesseraction posted:oh hey a left-winger came out with a reason to leave the EU that isn't entirely dogshit http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/08/eu-reform-green-brexit a good article ? Tesseraction posted:Well, it provides an impetus for the EU to improve - if one country is willing to leave, the thread of other countries to do so becomes more realistic than if we keep going "no really, we're leaving this time!" and then doing nothing. surely the best argument is that the exit of non euro (or in this case non cooperative) states removes all external resistance to what the eurozone needs the most: full fiscal and political union.
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Jun 8, 2016 16:00
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Metrication posted:surely the best argument is that the exit of non euro (or in this case non cooperative) states removes all external resistance to what the eurozone needs the most: full fiscal and political union. That too!
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Jun 8, 2016 16:08
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marktheando posted:It's like Cameron has realised too late that most of those people he disenfranchised are likely to be Remain voters. Maybe. I think it's more that our government, of any flavour, is loving useless with anything involving IT.
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Jun 8, 2016 16:20
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Tesseraction posted:I just love how desperate Cameron is to get people to vote now he can't just plain-sail his way to victory. Presumably all these new, young, probably-not-Tory people are getting added to the electoral roll and thus will be able to vote in future elections not just this referendum. Suck it, individual registration!
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Jun 8, 2016 16:25
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yeh but the boundary review will be based on registration before this, and almost all those young people will move and have to reregister before the next election
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Jun 8, 2016 16:28
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Tesseraction posted:oh hey a left-winger came out with a reason to leave the EU that isn't entirely dogshit http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/08/eu-reform-green-brexit it's still dogshit, demonstrated in the one sentence "sustainable traditional methods of farming in eastern Europe" and, really, anybody who comes out against "economic growthism" in the present macroeconomic climate has questionable judgment at best. Yea the GFC was an environmental miracle, but humanity is hardly better off for it
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Jun 8, 2016 16:31
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Can I still vote if I live overseas? 
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Jun 8, 2016 16:33
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ronya posted:and, really, anybody who comes out against "economic growthism" in the present macroeconomic climate has questionable judgment at best. Yea the GFC was an environmental miracle, but humanity is hardly better off for it Surely the current macroeconomic climate is exactly the time to consider that growth fetishism isn't great for humanity?
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Jun 8, 2016 16:36
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Tesseraction posted:Surely the current macroeconomic climate is exactly the time to consider that growth fetishism isn't great for humanity? well, no, imo. "Isn't poverty great?" is less appealing under high inequality, high unemployment, and low growth. but that's not quite my point. In terms of political sense, announcing that you can't convince Europe at large to abandon material prosperity and so your alternative plan is to convince Britain at large to abandon material prosperity, well, like I said, I would question your judgment
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Jun 8, 2016 16:38
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Coohoolin posted:Eden Festival in Dumfries. Judging from the (cool looking but not particularly famous) line up, the (relatively cheap) price and the info in the about section, I'd be pretty confident in saying that they'll be absolutely fine for this one. I mean, assuming they don't go around stabbing people or anything
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Jun 8, 2016 16:39
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Buy to let landlords win 'David and Goliath' (sic) legal battle
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Jun 8, 2016 16:54
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tony blair is being a oval office again and i hope he goes to prison for being a war criminal
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Jun 8, 2016 17:02
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ronya posted:well, no, imo. "Isn't poverty great?" is less appealing under high inequality, high unemployment, and low growth. But that's not what her point is, though, is it? Her point isn't that poverty is great but that overconsumption is a problem and can, in fact, cause poverty in one area due to overconsumption in another. I mean, if you have a sustainable plan for economic growth please put it forward.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:15
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Tesseraction posted:I kinda want Farage to get into the House of Commons so he can impotently whine about Europe and not affect votes one way or another. Hopefully only until the almost inevitable expenses scandal.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:16
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gently caress buy-to-let landlords, but I don't think allowing lenders to just unilaterally raise contractual interest rates would have been a good thing.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:24
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Regarde Aduck posted:I live in a "relatively Europhile" area and there is nothing but "leave" signs and "leave" leaflets through my door. So I don't know what is going on other than the "remain" campaign doing a piss poor job. Unless they think they don't have to campaign in this area? Bad idea. Bad bad idea. This isn't surprising at all. It's a waste of time leafletting in Leave heartlands AND in Remain heartlands, the most likely people to persuade are people who lean a bit europhile but not much. For me I've had a couple of leave ones plus one of each with my postal vote and Cambo's Cards Against Humanity leaflet, but otherwise very little. I consider myself fortunate in this.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:26
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El Scotch posted:Can I still vote if I live overseas? I already have.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:26
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Holy poo poo, why were they ever offering BTL mortgages at 1.49% anyway? That's some 2007-level madness.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:31
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Tesseraction posted:But that's not what her point is, though, is it? Her point isn't that poverty is great but that overconsumption is a problem and can, in fact, cause poverty in one area due to overconsumption in another. I mean, if you have a sustainable plan for economic growth please put it forward. dealing with long-term overconsumption (taking it as given) through promoting material privation is striking similarly to dealing with long-term structural deficits through austerity in the slow-growth here and now keeping that in mind: a lot depends on how you quantify it, but 'most' environmental damage is caused through inefficient agriculture straightforwardly taking up lot of the arable space, thereby driving ecological destruction. If you want sustainability, the Campaign to Protect Rural England is its antithesis. A sustainable postindustrial civilization herds most of humanity into a smaller amount of dense metropolitan regions, fed with high-intensity highly-industrialized agriculture - not numerous tiny cantons that practice low-technology pastoralism. Density and the collapse of smaller towns and polities without any corresponding duty of larger cities to absorb the displaced is obviously traumatic, even if made in the larger national (international?) good, so any form of concession to decentralized or localized sovereignty likewise militates against sustainability through good governance not that you'd hear that from a Green, ofc.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:33
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Tesseraction posted:Mwa ha ha ha. Although couched in terms of being 'internationalist', thats a pretty right wing argument for leaving - so we can pursue even more neoliberal trade policies (I note it makes no mention of allowing protectionist policies in Africa). I have also never heard of DIPRA - and google results for it and Mr Akai are sparse (and include him being cited by the BNP). I have a suspicion it may be an 'astroturf' NGO, wheeled out when a right wing journalist/organisation needs an 'African voice' to support their argument. Anyway, I worked for a 2011/12 high level panel that made various recommendations to 'revitalise' the Commonwealth. Although its true that businesses in Commonwealth countries find it easier to do business with one another (due to prevalence of English, similar historical legislation and public institutions, etc), the appetite for negotiating bilateral trade agreements just isn't there. Nobody wants to go through the fuss of negotiating a new bilateral trade agreement with a medium sized European country on the other side of the planet - its not worth it. Same with migration policies - the Group I worked for made various recommendations on streamlining visa processes/waivers, etc, these were all kicked into the long grass, and it wasn't just the UK that was iffy about them. The Commonwealth is not a substitute for the EU in any conceivable form. It is a very very different type of organisation - relations between the various countries are much shallower, and there is little appetite or scope for deepening them. Anyone who argues for leaving the EU to strengthen links with the Commonwealth simply doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:41
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Holy poo poo, why were they ever offering BTL mortgages at 1.49% anyway? That's some 2007-level madness.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:45
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El Scotch posted:Can I still vote if I live overseas? As long as you've not been there >15 years
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Jun 8, 2016 17:46
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Jose posted:tony blair is being a oval office again and i hope he goes to prison for being a war criminal I say this almost daily, often before I've even looked at the news.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:54
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ronya posted:'most' environmental damage is caused through inefficient agriculture straightforwardly taking up lot of the arable space, thereby driving ecological destruction. If you want sustainability, the Campaign to Protect Rural England is its antithesis. A sustainable postindustrial civilization herds most of humanity into a smaller amount of dense metropolitan regions, fed with high-intensity highly-industrialized agriculture Industrialized agriculture produces less food per acre than small, labour-intensive farms and thus requires more space to produce as much food, not less.
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Jun 8, 2016 17:58
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Tigey posted:The Commonwealth is not a substitute for the EU in any conceivable form. It is a very very different type of organisation - relations between the various countries are much shallower, and there is little appetite or scope for deepening them. Anyone who argues for leaving the EU to strengthen links with the Commonwealth simply doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. Parts of the Caribbean have shown interest in closer ties, but the main attraction for them is Britain's EU membership.
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Jun 8, 2016 18:02
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Holy poo poo, why were they ever offering BTL mortgages at 1.49% anyway? That's some 2007-level madness. The Bank of England base rate is 0.5% so as long as house prices don't collapse (hello Brexit!) then mortgages are pretty safe. It's a lot different to what happened in the US with sub prime because they were actually building a shitload of housing that wasn't worth anywhere near what they were selling them for and that's why prices collapsed 60%+ in a lot of places leaving huge negative equity. It's hard to imagine London prices collapsing anywhere near as much as that even in the event of Brexit because a lot of our housing bubble is due to a supply/demand mismatch because our economy is so geographically unbalanced. Compare London http://www.home.co.uk/guides/house_prices_report.htm?location=london&all=1 to, e.g. Las Vegas http://us.spindices.com/indices/real-estate/sp-case-shiller-nv-las-vegas-home-price-index
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Jun 8, 2016 18:02
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Lord of the Llamas posted:The Bank of England base rate is 0.5% so that house prices don't collapse
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Jun 8, 2016 18:09
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Oh dear me posted:Industrialized agriculture produces less food per acre than small, labour-intensive farms and thus requires more space to produce as much food, not less. Citation needed. I hope you're not doing something silly like including land used for biofuel production in the former category and omitting it from the latter.
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Jun 8, 2016 18:11
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Regarde Aduck posted:Also Also: gently caress England. Nationalist!
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Jun 8, 2016 18:18
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Renaissance Robot posted:Citation needed. I hope you're not doing something silly like including land used for biofuel production in the former category and omitting it from the latter. No I can see that, you could build a big vertical greenhouse if you wanted but it wouldn't be able to use a combine harvester.
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Jun 8, 2016 18:20
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Jun 8, 2016 18:21
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Puntification posted:Dunno if the polling this is based on still holds true but I found a regional breakdown of it from Feb, which some might find interesting:  TinTower posted:No idea why Bradford is so eurosceptic, especially compared to Calderdale and Leeds. It's most likely down to the assuming it's the whiter parts of the district like Shipley but, on the other hand, Vote Leave have been caught telling white people they'll reduce non-EU immigration whilst telling Asians they'll increase it. FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Jun 8, 2016 18:21
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Renaissance Robot posted:Citation needed. It really should not be, because this has been known since the 1960s and frequently confirmed since, but people get misled by the concept of 'intensive' or 'efficient' agriculture, thinking it means 'more food per acre' when it only means more food - or just profit - per labourer. Here's a paper, for example, which cites lots of others you might care to check, and which ends with this quotation: "A shift from small to large farms will cause a major decline in global production, just as food supplies become tight. Fair trade might now be necessary not only as a means of redistributing income, but also to feed the world." Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Jun 8, 2016 18:22
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FinalGamer posted:And you wonder why Scotland wanted to leave England, it's like being stuck in The Odd Couple. England is the jealous partner that doesn't like the friendship the other member of the couple has with the neighbours.
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Jun 8, 2016 18:26
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The value of modern industrial farming is that it requires minimal labor, we have an abundance of farmland. This place produces about 10% of all tomatoes, cucumbers, and peppers in the UK, year round. It does, however, have a staff of about 500 people. 
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