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I'm the guy that believes removing guns from sports shooters means we'll be defenseless when the Chinese come for us, as demonstrated by the sports shooters heroic efforts during ww2 against the socialist menace But criminals having guns is bad despite the positive of having more guns if we're invaded man thinking is hard
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Jun 9, 2016 15:36
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bad people with guns = bad good people with guns = good pretty fuckin easy mate
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Jun 9, 2016 20:40
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:bad people with guns = bad but what if a good person does a bad thing do they swap categories makes u think
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Jun 9, 2016 21:26
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Are any of those parties actually trying to ban guns or make it harder to get them, or is this just about that one specific type of shotgun with a big magazine that apparently everyone needs to have?
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Jun 9, 2016 21:54
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The one issue that will decide this election - shootybangs.
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Jun 9, 2016 22:27
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Wow 1 million people disunited throughout Australia. Faaaaaaaaaaaart
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Jun 9, 2016 22:36
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Hurf durf having a loving gun is the most important issue of my life and we should unite our vote to put that issue above all other considerations including the economy, social spending, climate change etc. There are 1 million fans of Vietnamese pork rolls in this country. Let's unite our votes together to achieve some goal associated with this.
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Jun 9, 2016 23:00
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:bad people with guns = bad Thank y- iajanus posted:but what if a good person does a bad thing do they swap categories Aaaaaargh
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Jun 9, 2016 23:15
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1 million voters = ~4.34% of the population which is roughly less than half of the Greens votes nationally. tell me what it feels like to be an oppressed minority, LibertyCat
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Jun 9, 2016 23:19
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I, Butthole posted:1 million voters = ~4.34% of the population which is roughly less than half of the Greens votes nationally. Uh, the whole population doesn't vote.
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Jun 9, 2016 23:21
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I'm more shocked there are that many licences out there! How many unlicensed baddies does that leave? There are legitimate needs for guns - I get that - but why do libertarians think less strict gun control is so necessary? I remember a few mass shootings before the Howard gun reform and none since on scale. Tragically the ones since have mainly been murder-suicide. I don't get the reasoning but that could be because I remember a spare of these in the late 80s and early 90s, and also being paranoid at the time that it could happen in our town.
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Jun 9, 2016 23:43
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Literally Beyond Parody Liberal-leaning think tank the Institute of Public Affairs has taken insider trader Oliver Curtis as its cause celebre, arguing that white-collar criminals should literally pay for their crimes rather than face prison. Such a move would remove prison as a deterrence for many corporate criminals, including the executives jailed over the collapse of HIH Insurance. The IPA posted a column on Thursday by staffer Andrew Bushnell that said: "Curtis should have to pay a fine sufficiently large that it hurts him and communicates the public's outrage." It also appeared in the Australian Financial Review.
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Jun 9, 2016 23:51
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"It might be argued that this is unfair because it allows wealthy offenders to buy their way out of prison. But there is a genuine principle at stake," Bushnell said. "Whatever their social status, non-violent, low-risk offenders should be given the chance to avoid prison."
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Jun 9, 2016 23:54
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Lid posted:"It might be argued that this is unfair because it allows wealthy offenders to buy their way out of prison. But there is a genuine principle at stake," Bushnell said. It makes sense - they can use their ill gotten gains and buy their way out and the money then goes into the government to spend on dodgy development to their mates! Who are probably the inside traders??
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Jun 9, 2016 23:57
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No reason that he can't do a shitload of time AND pay a shitload of money.
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Jun 9, 2016 23:59
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Lock him up and have the state seize his assets and donate them to charity.
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That was my takeaway, too.
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Jun 10, 2016 00:11
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Pretty sure proceeds of crime are forfeit to the state already.
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LibertyCat posted:Bird bird bird bird bird bird shitpost bird bird bird shitpost shitpost bird sleep wake eat bird bird. this an accurate representation of your day. do me next
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tithin posted:No reason that he can't do a shitload of time AND pay a shitload of money. edit: gently caress, i got a ponytar, i liked my anzac day avatar. someone in this thread gets really pissy about opinions on an internet forum
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Jun 10, 2016 00:23
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Reading this thread has gotten a lot more confusing lately
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Jun 10, 2016 00:25
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sex party, hemp, and animal justice are all preferencing Labor above Greens in Grayndler. But trust us, we're just as progressive as those Greens!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 10, 2016 00:30
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I think dethroning ALBO is impossible until he retires. They'll just keep redrawing boundaries to keep the ALP in.
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Jun 10, 2016 00:35
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Lid posted:"Whatever their social status, non-violent, low-risk offenders should be given the chance to avoid prison." This is right. No one should be in prison unless they pose a risk to public safety, and this is doubly important when the state can't even ensure the safety of prisoners.
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Dude McAwesome posted:edit: gently caress, i got a ponytar, i liked my anzac day avatar. someone in this thread gets really pissy about opinions on an internet forum Share your opinion friendo, I don't do the whole hostile avatar gifting thing.
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Jun 10, 2016 00:41
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tithin posted:Share your opinion friendo, I don't do the whole hostile avatar gifting thing. I was originally emptyquoting you  (And then edited to comment on my sweet new avatar)
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Jun 10, 2016 00:49
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I know the cat said he didn't do it, but he prob did cause it's sort of that level of burn (it's not really a burn at all)
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Jun 10, 2016 00:54
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More of a self burn
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Jun 10, 2016 00:56
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Such a sad fall from the glory days of Raptorfag
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Jun 10, 2016 01:00
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Milky Moor posted:do me next Bot bot bot bot bot bot bot blizzard bot bot bot bot suck bot bot bot bot bot roll bot bot out bot bot bot bot bot armsmaster bot bot did bot nothing bot bot bot bot bot wrong
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open24hours posted:This is right. No one should be in prison unless they pose a risk to public safety, and this is doubly important when the state can't even ensure the safety of prisoners. Then how would you deter, say, rich people from committing crimes that hurt people (if only financially) if they can just buy their way out of it? You have some really dumb opinions sometimes.
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open24hours posted:This is right. No one should be in prison unless they pose a risk to public safety, and this is doubly important when the state can't even ensure the safety of prisoners. Prison is a deterrent. The only penalty inside traders will face with a fine is a few years of bankruptcy.
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Jun 10, 2016 01:11
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Build a special prison on a sandbank
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Starshark posted:Then how would you deter, say, rich people from committing crimes that hurt people (if only financially) if they can just buy their way out of it? You have some really dumb opinions sometimes. Is your imagination so limited that locking people up in prison the only way you can think of to deter crime?
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V for Vegas posted:Prison is a deterrent. The only penalty inside traders will face with a fine is a few years of bankruptcy. Actually sorry this isn't necessarily correct. If prison was a deterrent, then no-one would really be committing crimes. Also the current judicial system is pretty badly set up if it's supposed to deter people from committing crimes.
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open24hours posted:Is your imagination so limited that locking people up in prison the only way you can think of to deter crime? Put it this way. Two people commit the same crime. One is rich, one is not. The offence has an option of either jail or paying a large fine and wandering off scott free afterwards. Can you say justice is served if the poor person goes to jail and the rich one pays a fine and goes back to their life? The way this is being framed is that the perpetrator gets to choose their sentence. That's not how justice, supposedly blind and equal, is meant to work.
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Why can't we go back to the good ol' days for where I could just pay the church to absolve me of all my sins. mea culpa
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Recoome posted:Actually sorry this isn't necessarily correct. If prison was a deterrent, then no-one would really be committing crimes. Prison does deter many, many people from committing crimes. All because it is not a perfect deterrent doesn't invalidate it.
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