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neongrey posted:Possibly but also consider that a lot of autistic people don't volunteer that fact just because of lovely Internet treatment. When people cop to it and don't catch poo poo for it, it's an encouragement.
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Came in here to see the hermetic salt mine fired up again, but now I'm learning that these guys have transformed from libertarian IT idiots into the noble force fighting the something awful dot com cultural menace? is there a cliff notes on this?
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Control Volume posted:Came in here to see the hermetic salt mine fired up again, but now I'm learning that these guys have transformed from libertarian IT idiots into the noble force fighting the something awful dot com cultural menace? is there a cliff notes on this? Neoreactionaries read this thread and it feeds their persecution complex so they create conspiracy theories.
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Jun 9, 2016 22:43
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Woolie Wool posted:Neoreactionaries read this thread and it feeds their persecution complex so they create conspiracy theories. Guess I shouldn't have just asked for cliff notes, my mistake, I really want to see examples too
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Jun 9, 2016 22:46
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The Vosgian Beast posted:http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1662 I like the bit in the middle where he says "Update: someone pointed out that the information I'm basing this on is total lies" and then carries on regardless.
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Also Reddit types have been furious with us ever since we took their kiddy porn away from them.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Keep in mind, it is entirely possible for allistics to display spectrum-like behaviors and traits due to upbringing.
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pookel posted:This is true, but then, how many of them are really allistic vs. "quirky person with autistic family members who isn't quiiiiite diagnosable"? I mean, there's only one autism diagnosis in my family, but there's a buttload of "quirky" people. Isn't this because people by and large are on the autistic spectrum, even if not enough to be considered 'autistic'?
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pookel posted:This is true, but then, how many of them are really allistic vs. "quirky person with autistic family members who isn't quiiiiite diagnosable"? I mean, there's only one autism diagnosis in my family, but there's a buttload of "quirky" people. Here's the issue I have with classifying these folks as autistic: The "rationalism" that many of these people indulge in is effectively the fetishization of an autistic method of thought. And I don't mean in the kink sense, but in the "they believe thinking this way will make them superior." Much like you will find "chaos magic" types who fetishize other mental/neurological issues, such as dissociative disorders. As a result, it can be extremely difficult to sort out who was legit that way from birth and who decided that intentionally thinking in weird and unusual ways will be a magic spell to make them smarter and better.
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pookel posted:This is true, but then, how many of them are really allistic vs. "quirky person with autistic family members who isn't quiiiiite diagnosable"? I mean, there's only one autism diagnosis in my family, but there's a buttload of "quirky" people. This happened in my family too. One of my nieces got diagnosed as a toddler and suddenly everyone in the family is noticing who uses a lot of hand motions/avoids eye contact/whatever.
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I'll give GiveWell some benefit of the doubt since you can get a lot less foolish in six years, but it's much more embarassing for MIRI. That blog was still active when he became an 'Executive Director' there. Having a badly warped perception of history and falling face-first for racist mythmaking are pretty big black marks against a person trying to make sure the history-ending AI will be virtuous and friendly.
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Like, you know how in some stories having dissociative disorders gives you magic powers? When Yudkowski talks about "rewiring his brain", what he is effectively saying is that he will give himself ~Magic Autism~ All the ability to think about and perceive things in an unusual and unorthodox way, none of the crippling social impairment or crossed wiring.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Rev solves all the problems of philosophy. Guy who smugly named himself after David Duke likes it To be fair, I agree with him on this one thing. While I'm admittedly not a philosopher, free will feels reads like "but humans are special because reasons". It's effectively non-materialist neuroscience* that predates the term "non-materialist neuroscience", and that's to philosophy's detriment.
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Curvature of Earth posted:To be fair, I agree with him on this one thing. While I'm admittedly not a philosopher, free will feels reads like "but humans are special because reasons". It's effectively non-materialist neuroscience* that predates the term "non-materialist neuroscience", and that's to philosophy's detriment. No.
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Peel posted:Having a badly warped perception of history and falling face-first for racist mythmaking are pretty big black marks against a person trying to make sure the history-ending AI will be virtuous and friendly. If you're racist then it's not a bug, it's a feature. Yes, I've already posted this. But the article is pretty damning. Racist crime prediction algorithms lie at the intersection of "AI will save us" rationalism and "run the government like an efficient business leader" neoreactionism. So how racist will Roko's Basilisk be? posted:Yet something odd happened when Borden and Prater were booked into jail: A computer program spat out a score predicting the likelihood of each committing a future crime. Borden who is black was rated a high risk. Prater who is white was rated a low risk.
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I mean statistically most people in jail are black so if the algorithm (which I'm sure is proprietary and ~trade secrets~) does nothing but compare a person to the "average inmate" of course it's going to mark black people more likely to go to jail. And obviously the number of people in jail is a perfectly accurate sample of the number of people who commit a real actual crime because everyone who is in jail is a criminal, QED 
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I mean statistically most people in jail are black so if the algorithm (which I'm sure is proprietary and ~trade secrets~) does nothing but compare a person to the "average inmate" of course it's going to mark black people more likely to go to jail. That was their exact defense. Secrecy is very important when your throwing people behind bars! posted:The company does not publicly disclose the calculations used to arrive at defendants risk scores, so it is not possible for either defendants or the public to see what might be driving the disparity. (On Sunday, Northpointe gave ProPublica the basics of its future-crime formula which includes factors such as education levels, and whether a defendant has a job. It did not share the specific calculations, which it said are proprietary.)
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Curvature of Earth posted:That was their exact defense. fun, criminal decisions made by a black box. that's ethical
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Like most authoritarians, neoreactionaries like to justify and make excuses for their beliefs and rationalize them into a coherent ideology. Are there any authoritarians who just believe that power justifies itself/right and wrong do not exist and do not feel the need for any excuses except "well what are you going to do about it  "?
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Qwertycoatl posted:I like the bit in the middle where he says "Update: someone pointed out that the information I'm basing this on is total lies" and then carries on regardless. No you see it's OK, because he didn't put any numbers in his charts. That suggestive exponential is not meant to be taken seriously at all!
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Woolie Wool posted:Like most authoritarians, neoreactionaries like to justify and make excuses for their beliefs and rationalize them into a coherent ideology. Are there any authoritarians who just believe that power justifies itself/right and wrong do not exist and do not feel the need for any excuses except "well what are you going to do about it Neoconservatives with respect to foreign policy?
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Curvature of Earth posted:That was their exact defense. Yeah if we told you how our product worked
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ikanreed posted:Neoconservatives with respect to foreign policy? Even they try to dress up their policy with nonsense about freedom. I'm talking about naked, open, Alec Baldwin's speech in Glengarry Glenn Ross crassness, like some of those famous quips by Roman generals.
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Cross-posting this from the tech bubel thread:overdesigned posted:https://twitter.com/Hatewatch/status/741004534558957568 The replies:  My personal favorite: 
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Woolie Wool posted:Isn't that Hans-Hitler Hoppe's little organization? Every time I hear the name Hans-Herman Hoppe my mind immediately thinks he was a member of Hitler's inner circle that i'm forgetting about, his name fits in perfectly with the other names like "Goebbels" and "Göring". I'm not even just saying that because it's a German name either, because I took 3 years of German and knew a lot of exchange students and none of them triggered this mental connection the way ol' Hans here does.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Every time I hear the name Hans-Herman Hoppe my mind immediately thinks he was a member of Hitler's inner circle that i'm forgetting about, his name fits in perfectly with the other names like "Goebbels" and "Göring". I'm not even just saying that because it's a German name either, because I took 3 years of German and knew a lot of exchange students and none of them triggered this mental connection the way ol' Hans here does.
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I think of that weird loving Harry Potter fanfic with all the H's in its name that people somehow think is not as bad as or more tolerable than similarly terrible fanfiction written by girls because it was written by a boy instead and is full of toxic masculinity instead of ~girl cooties~. Seriously that poo poo is garbage and people who give it a free pass are the sort of people we make fun of in this thread (well that sort of people and  ).
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Woolie Wool posted:I think of that weird loving Harry Potter fanfic with all the H's in its name that people somehow think is not as bad as or more tolerable than similarly terrible fanfiction written by girls because it was written by a boy instead and is full of toxic masculinity instead of ~girl cooties~. That's unfortunately endemic to fanfiction in general. Kenchi618 is one the most popular Naruto fanfiction writers on the internet. He does nothing but hypermasculine power fantasies, where the primary concern is presenting the main character as SO AWESOME AND KICKASS at all times, and of course features bad sex scenes with a harem of all the female characters. His userpage is a trip, let me tell you. Try to read through his "Man Law" (which features 112 rules) without thinking "tryhard dudebro" the entire time.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Every time I hear the name Hans-Herman Hoppe my mind immediately thinks he was a member of Hitler's inner circle that i'm forgetting about, his name fits in perfectly with the other names like "Goebbels" and "Göring". I'm not even just saying that because it's a German name either, because I took 3 years of German and knew a lot of exchange students and none of them triggered this mental connection the way ol' Hans here does. Before I found out he was alive and still vomiting forth half baked ancap screeds and calling it economic theory I always assumed Hoppe was part of a lesser known German offshoot of the Physiocrats
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 Breaking: Social Justice Warrior now refers to everyone to the left of Donald Trump.
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Curvature of Earth posted:
This is so delicious. I cannot describe the pleasure it gives me.
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Antivehicular posted:I was just thinking about the freaking Beisu-tsukai poo poo. I'm not sure what I love best about Big Yud: his complete inability to grasp conflict as a tool of narrative, or his earnest belief that his half-grasp of various intellectual conceits is not just special but actively a superpower. quote:Given a task, I still have an enormous amount of trouble actually sitting down and doing it. (Yes, I'm sure it's unpleasant for you too. Bump it up by an order of magnitude, maybe two, then live with it for eight years.) My energy deficit is the result of a false negative-reinforcement signal, not actual damage to the hardware for willpower; I do have the neurological ability to overcome procrastination by expending mental energy. I don't dare. If you've read the history of my life, you know how badly I've been hurt by my parents asking me to push myself. I'm afraidto push myself. It's a lesson that has been etched into me with acid. But I don't know the source.
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Well now I want to put a gun to his head and making him do it for something trivial like a sudoku.
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Woolie Wool posted:I think of that weird loving Harry Potter fanfic with all the H's in its name that people somehow think is not as bad as or more tolerable than similarly terrible fanfiction written by girls because it was written by a boy instead and is full of toxic masculinity instead of ~girl cooties~. You know, I checked out that fanfic recently, and it now has this disclaimer quote:Warning: Chapter 3 includes invented distortions of homphobic slurs and Chapter 6 includes the word "rape," but no actual rape.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Like, you know how in some stories having dissociative disorders gives you magic powers? When Yudkowski talks about "rewiring his brain", what he is effectively saying is that he will give himself ~Magic Autism~
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