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Raerlynn posted:"Governmental Transparency"? Really?
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I don't think you're going to find much care about THE EMAILS in this thread anymore. It's been done, done, and done again, like 100 times
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Jun 10, 2016 02:27
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Not that political, but has Anderson Cooper ever actually explicitly state he's gay? Because right now on CNN, discussing their special about AIDs in the 80s, he just openly talked about coming out to his friends in high schoo. On the topic of this special, I turned this on (it's really quite good, Tom Hanks had a hand in producing it so it's much better than your average CNN thing) and I saw Geraldo Rivera on there calling out Ronald Reagan for his lack of response to the AIDS crisis. What the gently caress happened to him in the 30 years between then and now to turn him into the Fox News anchor we know and dislike today?
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Jun 10, 2016 02:28
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Epic High Five posted:E-mail chat is now relegated to the e-mail indictment toxx thread e: I didn't realize that TeenageArchipelago fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Jun 10, 2016 02:29
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emdash posted:I don't think you're going to find much care about THE EMAILS in this thread anymore. It's been done, done, and done again, like 100 times
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Jun 10, 2016 02:29
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GreyjoyBastard posted:It's bad but it's not horrific. I am 100% behind Obama amending information security policies to make it no longer technically allowable ish, which mysteriously happened shortly after Clinton retired from State. But apparently what she did was already against the rules? http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/clinton-broke-federal-rules-email-server-audit-finds-n580131
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Jun 10, 2016 02:30
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E-mail chat is now relegated to the e-mail indictment toxx thread
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Jun 10, 2016 02:31
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boom boom boom posted:I'm pretty sure the issue is that she broke protocol and kept State Department emails on a private server, which may have been a threat to national security.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:31
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TeenageArchipelago posted:I still don't understand the whole drat issue. She had a personal email(that she had the server herself doesn't matter from most perspectives). Was that email exclusively what she was using for work emails? Was she occasionally using it for work emails? Is this whole thing about her having the gall to have a private email account when she was the SoS? because if it was the first two then I can definitely understand people being upset. If it is the last one than people are dumb as gently caress. According to the wikipedia page about this, she used the private server for State Department business, and a bunch of the information on it was later declared Classified.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:32
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Holy poo poo this is literally textbook concern trolling. It's kind of beautiful. Concern trolling is meant to derail a discussion about a worthy issue. This is basically a glorified chat thread, I'm not derailing anything (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 10, 2016 02:34
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I am very nearly 100% behind Operation Flying Death Robot (I have some concerns that we are a little too blase about utilizing our cost effective low risk robot assassins because they are cost effective and low risk) and I concur, I don't see her being all that much more actual-warmongering than Barack Hussein Obama, fairly awesome President. Despite Ted Rall's mind numbingly grating obsession with drones, there still are a lot of legitimate concerns about our use of drones to blow the poo poo out of whoever. Everything from ethics concerns to even whether or not the drat things are accomplishing anything. The program accomplishing little other than killing civilians would not surprise me in the slightest.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:34
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People only care about emails because fox news and the gop propaganda machine have been beating that particular drum. If it wasn't that it'd be Benghazi. If it wasnt that it'd be the clinton foundation. If it wasn't that it'd be blow jobs. If it wasn't that it'd be her preferred direction the tp faces. It's all bullshit non stories because the gop has nothing on Hillary worth salt. Nothing at all that isn't pots and kettles.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:34
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DemeaninDemon posted:People only care about emails because fox news and the gop propaganda machine have been beating that particular drum. If it wasn't that it'd be Benghazi. If it wasnt that it'd be the clinton foundation. If it wasn't that it'd be blow jobs. If it wasn't that it'd be her preferred direction the tp faces. It's all bullshit non stories because the gop has nothing on Hillary worth salt. Nothing at all that isn't pots and kettles. You know, except where the Obama administration appointed state department inspector general released a report detailing what was out of line.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:35
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DemeaninDemon posted:People only care about emails because fox news and the gop propaganda machine have been beating that particular drum. If it wasn't that it'd be Benghazi. If it wasnt that it'd be the clinton foundation. If it wasn't that it'd be blow jobs. If it wasn't that it'd be her preferred direction the tp faces. It's all bullshit non stories because the gop has nothing on Hillary worth salt. Nothing at all that isn't pots and kettles. yeah, but she actually does have a poo poo opinion on what way tp should face, so that is a legit thing, especially since she is using the Clinton Foundation to spread such a poo poo opinion worldwide
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Jun 10, 2016 02:36
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Grognan posted:You know, except where the Obama administration appointed state department inspector general released a report detailing what was out of line. If you're so sure she's going to get indicted, Toxx it
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Jun 10, 2016 02:37
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Question. There was that report yesterday that said that Trump doesn't plan on fundraising anymore because he thinks his name recognition will be enough to win votes. Is there any news that GOP donors will have to come out and compensate? Specifically when it comes to House races? I wouldn't think the Koch bros. would just sit around and do nothing.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:40
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DemeaninDemon posted:People only care about emails because fox news and the gop propaganda machine have been beating that particular drum. If it wasn't that it'd be Benghazi. If it wasnt that it'd be the clinton foundation. If it wasn't that it'd be blow jobs. If it wasn't that it'd be her preferred direction the tp faces. It's all bullshit non stories because the gop has nothing on Hillary worth salt. Nothing at all that isn't pots and kettles. She is literally currently under investigation by the FBI. Even if it's for something minor that's really nothing at all, just the fact that you could run "_______ is currently being investigated by the FBI" as an accurate headline would sink any other candidate.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:40
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boom boom boom posted:She is literally currently under investigation by the FBI. Even if it's for something minor that's really nothing at all, just the fact that you could run "_______ is currently being investigated by the FBI" as an accurate headline would sink any other candidate. It's funny how bad you are at this when you haven't even heard of Michael Grimm.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:43
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TeenageArchipelago posted:what she did was wrong, and in a perfect world it either should not have happened, or she should have been punished for any wrongdoing. Basically, she utilized the same address for all email correspondence, both personal and work-related, entirely out of reach of the various mechanisms that have been established to ensure archival and transparency until the scandal forced her to release the servers. It should be noted that her staff tried to 'wipe' the data from the server prior to release, asserting they would only wipe personal correspondence. It demonstrates, at best, a lack of judgement. Defenders will say the decision was borne out of a history of right-wing smear-mongering, but that's a pretty weak excuse that has been derided on the part of the Left that concerns itself with such things.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:44
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Trabisnikof posted:It's funny how bad you are at this when you haven't even heard of Michael Grimm. Bad at what? What do you think I'm trying to do? Imagine for one moment that when I asked if there was a decent summary of the Clinton email thing I was asking a genuine question and not trying to Jedi Mind trick you all in some way
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Jun 10, 2016 02:45
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Where is all this outrage when the Department of State's official email servers got hacked? It's strange how that seems to never get people as up in arms.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:45
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Trabisnikof posted:Where is all this outrage when the Department of State's official email servers got hacked? It's strange how that seems to never get people as up in arms. You mean the unclassified system? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cybersecurity-statedept-idUSKCN0J11BR20141117
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Jun 10, 2016 02:47
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Grognan posted:You mean the unclassified system? Yes, the exact same system Clinton should have used instead of her personal one. That's the joke of all this.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:49
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boom boom boom posted:Bad at what? What do you think I'm trying to do? Imagine for one moment that when I asked if there was a decent summary of the Clinton email thing I was asking a genuine question and not trying to Jedi Mind trick you all in some way The kneejerk attack against honest questions that could reflect poorly on the subject is all too common amongst fanboys and ideologues.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:49
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes, the exact same system Clinton should have used instead of her personal one. Actually no, it really isn't. Classified information goes on a separate network. Also, knowing that a hack has taken place allows follow up on possibly compromised information. Without oversight and monitoring, there would be no way to tell if a private server got hacked or simply just left remote access on an open port. Grognan fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Jun 10, 2016 02:50
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Grognan posted:Actually no, it really isn't. Classified information goes on a separate network. There wasn't a classified email option offered to Clinton.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:51
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boom boom boom posted:She is literally currently under investigation by the FBI. Even if it's for something minor that's really nothing at all, just the fact that you could run "_______ is currently being investigated by the FBI" as an accurate headline would sink any other candidate. Yeah, and who gives a poo poo? Maybe you'll gain more traction next time by saying that we should repeal the PPACA or give a hot take about what actually happened in Benghazi.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:55
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inkblot posted:Despite Ted Rall's mind numbingly grating obsession with drones, there still are a lot of legitimate concerns about our use of drones to blow the poo poo out of whoever. Everything from ethics concerns to even whether or not the drat things are accomplishing anything. The program accomplishing little other than killing civilians would not surprise me in the slightest. My position boils down to: if drones are being used for things we would normally use planes for, they are an unequivocal good on all counts. When they enable things we would never use a plane for, it becomes an interesting conversation but I am cautiously pro drone if the procedures involved aren't garbage. That criterion is, admittedly, a topic of some concern.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:55
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Trabisnikof posted:There wasn't a classified email option offered to Clinton. Then she should have actually sanitized her poo poo with proper oversight instead of broadcasting in the open. They already found emails that got lost/deleted from the FOIA request from other receiving accounts with proper record keeping.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:56
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Trabisnikof posted:There wasn't a classified email option offered to Clinton. Edit: Grognan posted:Then she should have actually sanitized her poo poo with proper oversight instead of broadcasting in the open. They already found emails that got lost/deleted from the FOIA request from other receiving accounts with proper record keeping.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:57
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GreyjoyBastard posted:the only arguments against the wider bombing of Serbia boil down to it not being necessary to the overall objective. I don't know much about that, but bombing a bunch of people when it's not necessary seems pretty bad.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:58
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boom boom boom posted:But apparently what she did was already against the rules? The ig report is a very reasonable argument. I guess I should have said "technically LEGAL", because from point one Obama would have been totally reasonable to fire her / request her resignation / advise her to knock that poo poo off as his employee. He did not, and he also did not adjust procedural recommendations until after she left. I am not sure I feel good things about this.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:59
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Mr Interweb posted:Question. It's probably better for the down ticket since, theoretically at least, Trump won't be sucking up donation money. Money given to the Presidential candidate only trickles down the ticket like Reaganomics anyway. The most likely reason Trumps is saying this is because 1)he doesn't like fundraising and only does the fun parts of running for President, 2)he's being told quite frequently by the big money donors to gently caress off, 3)donations given to his campaign the traditional way are way harded to graft on out and into his pockets than hat sales, 4)he really is dumb enough to think all he needs is rallies and media attention to win.
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Jun 10, 2016 02:59
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Yoshifan823 posted:On the topic of this special, I turned this on (it's really quite good, Tom Hanks had a hand in producing it so it's much better than your average CNN thing) and I saw Geraldo Rivera on there calling out Ronald Reagan for his lack of response to the AIDS crisis. 9/11 turned Frank Miller into five thousand shades of crazy so maybe that. Or was the segment from that from before or after he screwed up trying to find Jimmy Hoffa's body, cause I think that broke his brain a bit, too.
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Jun 10, 2016 03:00
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Trabisnikof posted:There wasn't a classified email option offered to Clinton. I have a hard time believing this. I get that it isn't unbelievable that this isn't just a two decades old witch hunt or another Benghazi. But given all that does someone have a decent narration of where the email issue stands? I have yet to find anything that isn't a biased mess. Edit: And just to be sure I checked the front page, there isn't anything. So could something (maybe some!) links be posted on the first page to some decent articles on this?
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GladRagKraken posted:I don't know much about that, but bombing a bunch of people when it's not necessary seems pretty bad. I concur, but that instance becomes a very funky conversation. If I were adequately convinced of that argument I would frown on Team Bill going beyond the call of duty. I am not convinced it is valid, but I do not dismiss it out of hand (unlike "we should have let Milosevic purge Kosovo").
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downout posted:I have a hard time believing this. I get that it isn't unbelievable that this isn't just a two decades old witch hunt or another Benghazi. But given all that does someone have a decent narration of where the email issue stands? I have yet to find anything that isn't a biased mess. https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf OIG report details how SoS from the W years through Kerry's appointment did things. Goes into requirements, best practices and how the internal review went. It is dry reading but welcome to an actual federal report instead of fox news blabbering. From when I handled classified material, unclassified is stuff that is inconsequential. Anything above that is handled on an entirely separate network that is completely disconnected from anything else. Top secret gets another, different network. SAP is so far above that poo poo that I don't even know about that. Leakage by accidentally crossing SIPR material over to unclassified networks was hammered in day one as something not to do because that's where a lot of oops leaks originated. They also detail that you don't hide that poo poo if you gently caress up and to come forward with it because poo poo happens, and they need to deal with the consequences of where that information might've gone to. Hillary didn't have a classified option because she never tried to get one. Grognan fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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downout posted:I have a hard time believing this. I get that it isn't unbelievable that this isn't just a two decades old witch hunt or another Benghazi. But given all that does someone have a decent narration of where the email issue stands? I have yet to find anything that isn't a biased mess. There's the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy The first sentence of that is quote:The Hillary Clinton email controversy began in March 2015, when it became publicly known that Hillary Clinton, during her tenure as United States Secretary of State, had exclusively used her family's private email server for official communications, rather than official State Department email accounts maintained on federal servers. Wchich pretty strongly implies that there were federal serves she could've used, So I don't know what Trabisnikof is talking about
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Cugel the Clever posted:Yep, because other parts of the government do awful things, too, means we should just not give a poo poo when the Secretary of State does so. Basically if you're going to clutter up this thread with this poo poo, it seems you should be cluttering up a lot of other threads with a lot more poo poo. Have you got enough poo poo?
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None of investigations would have happened if the gop weren't out head hunting. None of it. Get that through your thick rear end posting finger.
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