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It's really good. Combat is so much nicer once you figure out the hokey offensive line stuff. No more loving with individual provinces and the hours of tedious troop transport management, god knows how long I spent on that in previous games. It also doesn't seem to run like crap by the time you get to 1941, so that's nice.
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I am still hoping they find a balanced fox for the "other countries take your occupied land in their separate peace conference" thingy. It really soured me on my up until then addicting Japan game.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:47
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RagnarokAngel posted:Your opinion may vary but I feel that rule doesn't really apply since ck2 back in 2012. They've hit it out of the park every time since. Yeah, honestly I was just a bit burnt (but understanding given the complexity of these games) but they've been doing well since then. Good to hear.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:50
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Jun 10, 2016 14:50
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:the only problems with it are pretty minor tbh I agree, most of the stuff is minor. The AI being retarded and not defending their borders properly, stuff like invading with 200 divisions and not using them at all, and being a general pushover is a pretty goddamn major one. As hilarious as the reddit posts are where they conquer Germany in 1937 as France or Soviet Union, or the Soviet Union as Hungary (or even Latvia), it shows there's a lot wrong with the AI at the moment. Other than that, which I'm sure will be addressed soon (either officially or through mods), the game is in many ways a step forward from the previous games.
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Jun 10, 2016 14:57
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So I'm beginning to thing peace conferences may be a bit wonky. Background, I was Poland, went communist, and crushed the axis by 42 with Soviet help. Then the USSR, picks a fight with Latvia who is guaranteed by France. I decided screw that and leave the Comintern, a year later I jump in on the allies side once Russia is week, and decided to snipe the Caucasus oil fields at the peace conference. Everyone else had just been pupping the defeated powers so I hit done and the next thing I knew, that happened.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:04
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Gort posted:I could see espionage being done well through events. Just every so often get a pop-up saying, "We think one of our spies has a good shot at stealing the blueprints for X technology" or "Our agent is ready to strike at the docks in Y" and you get the option to go ahead or not. Maybe have a few techs to give you better odds of success. There are already some events like this, like a decision to conduct a peacetime raid on Japanese Manchurian bases, would be cool to see more events like that and maybe some dynamic events that depend on unit positions or discovered techs.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:14
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Everything that is wrong with this game is a simply a case of the kind of bug-squashing and meta-balancing that's only possible when you get the feedback from releasing it to the public. It's not like HOI3 where everything was fundamentally broken and unfun, it's not like Stellaris where there's obvious big gaps in content. Off the top of my head the only thing I'd like to see right away is an 'attack airbases' button, but beyond that the game is already so complete I have no idea what I'd ask for for an expansion.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:16
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Has anyone mastered the mod-fu needed for tech/unit modding yet? I'd really like to just have the future capacity to easily set earlier start dates for HoI4, mostly for potential LP purposes. The current tech tree mostly goes from 1918-dated techs straight to 1936 for most cases however, which means that if I tried to set, say, a 1930 start date everybody would have a dearth of techs to research for a decent chunk of the early game. Basically, I want to add in more researchable interwar techs, but don't know how to get them working and fully available in the regular tech tree.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:23
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Alchenar posted:Everything that is wrong with this game is a simply a case of the kind of bug-squashing and meta-balancing that's only possible when you get the feedback from releasing it to the public. Agreed. Maybe they could be the first to introduce a *fun* espionage system, but it's not mandatory by any means. The systems are all in place, they work, and only need to be fleshed out a bit in some cases. I'm super happy about the release.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:31
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My Revolutionary (communist) Iran has finally reached the beginning of the end. It started off good -- annexed most of Iraq (Russia made a puppet state of part of it), pushed through both Italy and UK to sieze Cairo and the Suez, easily held the highly-defensible border with the British Raj. Turkey joined in on the Axis, so I positioned my troops in the Levant region to push north across Asia Minor, decapitating most of their army positioned in the Caucasus. Cleaned them up, took Istanbul, and somehow the entire Greek army, some 30 divisions, got stranded on that spit of islands off the Turkish coast and starved to death over the course of a year. By this point the Soviets were in serious trouble though. Iran is limited heavily on both manpower and production, so I had basically a single core army of heavy infantry that were very good on defense, and I was just starting to build a mobile force based on medium tanks and TDs. I could only hold a small portion of the Soviet line, and the bulk of my army got overrun by japanese motorized divisions crossing the straight west into the Crimean peninsula while I retreated towards Sevastopol to bring them home. So I have no real army, my border garrisons have already been stripped bare, the US keeps landing troops on my southern coast, and the Axis will soon be sweeping in through the north. Rough. drat Soviets, they just couldn't handle the pressure. Also playing a country that starts off with no steel loving sucks.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:43
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So here's a "fun" bug, if you have a trade deal with a country then get negative trade relations with them, you can't click on the trade deal to cancel it. After researching the excavation techs I now have surplus of almost everything but I'm still importing almost a hundred oil and steel from the US I don't need. Edit, fixed it by randomly getting a "navies off their cost boost to trade influence". Vorpal Cat fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Jun 10, 2016 15:44
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As USSR, is there a way to have an early war vs. Japan? e.g. Move in to take Korea/Manchuria while they are trying to grind down nationalist China. I rushed the war vs. Japan idea, only to find it requires the purge + loss of the purged officers penalty. Once I cleared that by summer '40, I found out there was a non-aggression pact  .
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Jun 10, 2016 15:45
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Vorpal Cat posted:So here's a "fun" bug, if you have a trade deal with a country then get negative trade relations with them, you can't click on the trade deal to cancel it. After reaserching the excavion techs I now have surplus of almost everything but I'm still importing almost a hundred oil and steel from the US I don't need. In the trade window, there is a button beside the name of the resource. That allows you to cancel all deals of that resource. Not working either?
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Jun 10, 2016 15:48
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Michaellaneous posted:In the trade window, there is a button beside the name of the resource. That allows you to cancel all deals of that resource. That works too.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:55
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Iceshade posted:I agree, most of the stuff is minor. One of the main things I've noticed with the AI is it can't seem to commit to a plan, even if it's winning with it. The US will dump like 150 divisions in France and push the Germans back with enough momentum to easily reach Berlin, but they don't. They randomly withdraw all those divisions without warning leaving their less powerful allies to get steamrolled back to the channel. They'll then randomly shove those divisions in Italy or China, make headway, and do the same thing again. Germany will lose Berlin and decide that instead of retaking it, now is the best time to move most of their best divisions to the borders with Republican Spain and attack them, which then causes Italy and Japan to send piles of divisions to Germany to compensate.
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Jun 10, 2016 15:59
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Beef posted:As USSR, is there a way to have an early war vs. Japan? e.g. Move in to take Korea/Manchuria while they are trying to grind down nationalist China. Diplomacy -> justify war for a single province -> declare war? Edit: oh communism requires 75% tension to declare war, nevermind.
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I finally got to the point where I could Danzig or War, and got ABSOLUTELY wrecked by Poland. 50.000 casualties in the first two weeks and they'r kicking my rear end up and down Pomerania. This is in spite of having 24 equipped divisions and 12 medium tank formations. To be fair I did completely neglect air production because I find the air attack screen opaque and annoying to work with. Just let me select my loving air wings, move them to one airport for convenience and then merge/split as I would with an army to get them to the airfields I want to. I also noticed Poland's divisions had a soft attack in the 200s and were absolutely shithousing me. Tooling around with 4 volunteer divisions in China and Spain did not prepare me for this. Is this because I was a fool and didn't get my infantry divisions set up with artillery in the columns vs just a support artillery battalion? It also appears that fighters for Germany are an incredibly high priority item, moreso than CAS or TAC, since on day 1 Britain just port-struck the poo poo out of my gay baby fleet because I can't figure out how to air war.  Also, Italy's AI should probably be weighted to take the focus that requires the Spanish civil war to be active when it actually is. They tend to ignore it and focus on other focuses and they're then locked out of it once the civil war ends.
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Jun 10, 2016 16:14
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Today I found out that not only is it not that hard to defeat Japan as China, you can also conquer Japan without a navy. Shitloads of naval bombers didn't do much at first, but once my RADAR bases got up to about level 3 or 4 poo poo started getting sunk all over the place. I think if I was to play it again I would prioritise making a range variant of my naval bomber - the 1940s version was getting a 50% "not enough range" efficiency penalty. Heavy fighters have a ton of range, they had no problem being escorts. You can also get by with literally nothing but infantry as China. I didn't build or research support brigades, or any kind of artillery, AA, AT, tanks, or motorised units - when you're that low on resources and research slots just keeping your infantry and industrial tech up-to-date is hard enough.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:One of the main things I've noticed with the AI is it can't seem to commit to a plan, even if it's winning with it. The US will dump like 150 divisions in France and push the Germans back with enough momentum to easily reach Berlin, but they don't. They randomly withdraw all those divisions without warning leaving their less powerful allies to get steamrolled back to the channel. They'll then randomly shove those divisions in Italy or China, make headway, and do the same thing again. I wonder if the AI is getting tied up with supply? Maybe it's too afraid of some attrition and backs off?
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Is there some way to edit the playlist of the music ? If I have to hear "Schwarzbraun ist die Haselnuß" one more time, I will do bad things. 
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Hambilderberglar posted:I finally got to the point where I could Danzig or War, and got ABSOLUTELY wrecked by Poland. 50.000 casualties in the first two weeks and they'r kicking my rear end up and down Pomerania. This is in spite of having 24 equipped divisions and 12 medium tank formations. Just pause the game when something's not totally clear, read the tooltips, and try to fix things instead of ignoring them. The focus is not historic I think? So it depends on what mode you're playing in. The air war screen(s) are a bit clumsy, but there's nothing preventing you from building a ton of fighters and dominating at least your home air zones and the Polish one. Also, as you have noticed, air superiority/air support>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TAC & CAS/ground support. Soft attack is hella important so yeah, line artillery. Also 36 divisions is way less than the 60 used historically. When in doubt, there's guidelines from irl experiences in what to do since them game has plenty verisimilitude.
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Started a new Japan game - had a lucky start as they ceeded beijing in the marco incident which i didnt know could happen - however i had made plans already so... I pinned this line with garrison troops  Surrounded the capital while i got busy taking the rest of the country  Killed a lot of Chinese patriots  Did i mention the first action i took was to justify vs USA?? Operation Octopussy is in motion.  I'm about 2 months game time from taking the second chinese capital and them rolling over - but my justification just hit and no time like the present. (I have no stockpile, no tanks, no AT and barely enough artillery to go around) Glorious Nippon will prevail no way im joining the axis either..
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Hambilderberglar posted:I finally got to the point where I could Danzig or War, and got ABSOLUTELY wrecked by Poland. 50.000 casualties in the first two weeks and they'r kicking my rear end up and down Pomerania. This is in spite of having 24 equipped divisions and 12 medium tank formations. 24 divisions and 12 tanks isn't a huge amount. If I were you I'd try and triple those numbers because using a lot more people I managed to push Poland's poo poo in in one of my first playthroughs before I even knew about putting artillery in the columns instead of support.
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Jun 10, 2016 16:36
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God drat it, I spent 4 hours prepping a new game of Poland takes on the world and have ran into a constant CTD. gently caress it, gonna go play something else for a bit.
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Jun 10, 2016 16:39
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I completely hosed my first attempt at invading Czechoslovakia. I left an area wide open for them to exploit. They basically waltzed all the way through the motherland on nothing but 3 armies before I could stop them. Going to try harder tonight.
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Man, I just had the most satisfying goddamn war since my HOI2 days in my British Raj game. It's still going on, I kinda don't want it to end. I posted before about how I (with some American, British, and Dutch assistance) pushed the Japanese off of mainland Asia. At that point I decided Germany was the greater threat with the Japanese fleet effectively neutered, so I moved my entire 200-division strong army to France, where the Free French had just set up a beachhead in Normandy (conveniently). I've been pushing my way through Western and Central Europe for the past year and it's been an absolute joy. The Germans are putting up stiff resistance, and overall the challenge is really good. The AI still does strange stuff, but there's a real feeling here that I am a part of a greater United Nations (though I am definitely shouldering the brunt of the offensive gains with my massive amounts of manpower while the American AI relegates itself to supporting me... a bit annoying but whatever, it fits my narrative). I took Berlin a bit ago and I'm closing in on the last of the German victory points. It seems the German AI kinda followed real-life in that it prioritized stopping the Soviets from advancing and put the bulk of its forces on that front, allowing me to advance farther into Europe than the western allies did IRL. Having non-aggression pacts with the Soviets is a bit dumb though because it means you can launch offensives from their territory. That should probably be changed.
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Koesj posted:Just pause the game when something's not totally clear, read the tooltips, and try to fix things instead of ignoring them.  In my previous game where I was just loving around with the production mechanics I did better at the air war aspect. For air warfare I noticed most of the wings start out quite small, 40 to 80 aircrafts each. Should I just make all of the fighter wings 1000 strong and park them over my domestic air zones on intercept/air superiority missions or is there an advantage in running (for example) 2x500 or 4x250 strong fighter wings with missions segregated by type and time? (2 on air superiority/intercept by daytime only, 2 by night, rather than 1 wing running 24x7) For basing, I assume you want the aircrafts in a given air zone to be based in that given air zone, or is there a compelling advantage to basing outside of the air zone? Is there anything to simulate time on target (bf109s getting 10 minutes over London) or can I base aircrafts as far back as they're able to be based while still being able to fly to the air zone? Does the anti aircraft building contribute at all to air intercept/superiority mission types? And in general, is there a point of diminishing returns after a while? 20 is the "magic" number for combat width, is there a similar number for air warfare?
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There is definitely something busted with production retention, I just switched a line from modern tanks to modern SPA and it dropped down to 10 efficiency%. Edit: It may be something specific with Modern tanks because I also dropped down to 10% when I switched from Medium 3 to Modern. Vorpal Cat fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Jun 10, 2016 16:55
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Vorpal Cat posted:There is definitely something busted with production retention, I just switched a line from modern tanks to modern SPA and it dropped down to 10 efficiency%. I think it's because modern tanks are essentially a new weight category. You'd see the same production efficiency loss from light to medium. And SPART variants are a different type of unit so I'm pretty sure they're supposed to lose out on the production efficiency. Could be wrong though.
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Just wanting to add my support to the cold war expansion pack. The volunteers mechanic could be expanded to represent units supporting wars they are not fighting, allowing Korea and Vietnam. Tension could be replaced by a doomsday clock, preventing major powers from sending in to many troops. Or go back to wwi
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Peace Conferences definitely need work. If I puppet the USSR, Turkey shouldn't be annexing the entirety of Siberia, for example. And yeah, NA pacts somehow allowing troops from another faction to walk into your territory and assault the enemy and take territory for themselves is kind of bizzare.
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Hambilderberglar posted:I finally got to the point where I could Danzig or War, and got ABSOLUTELY wrecked by Poland. 50.000 casualties in the first two weeks and they'r kicking my rear end up and down Pomerania. This is in spite of having 24 equipped divisions and 12 medium tank formations. 24 divisions is a tiny quantity. Historically Germany brought 60. I haven't played Germany yet, but I'd say the issue is probably not having enough infantry. Gort fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Gort posted:24 divisions is a tiny quantity. Historically Germany brought 60. 24 is plenty. ... ...To hold the front while the other ~40 go blitzkrieging the gently caress out of Poland's VP hexes.
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UncleSmoothie posted:There is one major problem with the way that the division designer works -- or at least how its changes are propagated. It's be nice to have some way to tell units to gradually transition from an old template to a new one. I faced the same issue when converting my motorized infantry to mech units. Settled on changing out the template in multiple steps. Assign the mechs, wait a month for some to roll out, then shave off the motorized one at a time over the following months.
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"poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo"
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Gort posted:24 divisions is a tiny quantity. Historically Germany brought 60.
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Schizotek posted:Finally I'd like to point out that Romania got a pretty serious buff on the beta patch. I'm not sure why they decided to make a stupid minor so much better than most of the majors, but paradox is known for their questionable design decisions: Looks like Kevin Spacey as Frank Underwood, with an eye patch.
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Schizotek posted:
Yeah, this is fair. In my France game Germany was quite happy to assault the Maginot line constantly, while in my China game Japan was constantly launching doomed naval invasions, or landing next to my garrisoned ports whereupon the garrison attacks them and wipes them out.
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Anybody managed to hold off Germany and the Soviets in a Poland game? I've managed to hold Germany only 1 or 2 provinces in from the borders. I didn't have any troops on the Czech border due to forgetting they became a puppet so have a long corridor of German's all long the southern border. Lasted until 1940 and World Tension finally got high enough for me to join the allies (seems really lame the focus closer to Britain doesn't do anything for you), which is great. Now however the Soviets are justifying on me and I have like 5 divisions to spare for that border.
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