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Huzanko
Aug 4, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
Anyone who cares about the Clinton email thing is an astroturfing idiot motherfucker. It's a scandal invented by Ben Ghazi and his Republican cronies, nothing more.

As a Bernie supporter and now Clinton supporter - as any actual thinking person should now be given what's on the loving line - I am ashamed of any Bernie folks buying into the email nonsense.

Honestly, we have an opportunity to get a liberal supreme court for a generation, during a time when we don't get the house back until 2042 or something, because of gerrymandering, and people care about emails? That's like a house burning down and some idiots arguing over if the floorboards face the right direction and if the kitchen cabinets are the right color rather than trying to put the fire out.

Huzanko fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jun 11, 2016

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Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

A Man With A Plan posted:

Haha yeah I've sent emails that say

" (S//NF) hey want to grab drinks friday? "

Which is why anyone saying that Clinton "should be able to recognize classified info" is 100% talking out their rear end

Ah, I see that if I hit "Derived from Multiple Sources" I don't have to type anything else.

Welp.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

Ahaha holy loving poo poo look at his twitter avatar. Literally an anime waifu with breasts bigger than her head.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the future of Republican politics.



Edit: For those that don't want to bother clicking here's the scaled down twitter message version of it:



They're actually even more grotesquely large on his page.

Archonex fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jun 11, 2016

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

MariusLecter posted:

Trump Fans Honor Sasha Obama’s 15th Birthday By Telling Her To Go Spear-Chucking In Kenya
(IMAGES)



The comments include telling the girl that her mother is really a man and her father is a homosexual, that the entire family is destroying the country, that Sasha should go back to her Kenyan grass hut and spear chucking, and that she is not a real Obama at all. People, who have never even met a single person in this family are trying to tell Sasha Obama that she was purchased in order to create the appearance of family so that President Obama would be more easily elected, and thus, able to destroy America.
[/quote]

"Racists exist, can use Internet" isn't exactly news

Huzanko
Aug 4, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

theflyingorc posted:



"Racists exist, can use Internet" isn't exactly news

It's news for people who like to pretend racism doesn't exist. There's a lot of those people.

Huzanko fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 11, 2016

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

Noam Chomsky posted:

"Racists exist, can use Internet" isn't exactly news

It's news for people who like to pretend racism doesn't exist. There's a lot of those people.
[/quote]

Literally nobody thinks these people don't exist, they're just in denial about their influence

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/741674894421860352

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Noam Chomsky posted:

Anyone who cares about the Clinton email thing is an astroturfing idiot motherfucker. It's a scandal invented by Ben Ghazi and his Republican cronies, nothing more.

As a Bernie supporter and now Clinton supporter - as any actual thinking person should now be given what's on the loving line - I am ashamed of any Bernie folks buying into the email nonsense.

Honestly, we have an opportunity to get a liberal supreme court for a generation, during a time when we don't get the house back until 2042 or something, because of gerrymandering, and people care about emails? That's like a house burning down and some idiots arguing over if the floorboards face the right direction and if the kitchen cabinets are the right color rather than trying to put the fire out.

I've noticed that if you inform them why Benghazi is not a scandal for hillary, they move onto the email, then they'll go to the Clinton Foundation, and then Vince Foster. Some Bernie supporters move goalposts faster than a Creationist.

Archonex posted:

Ahaha holy loving poo poo look at his twitter avatar. Literally an anime waifu with tits bigger than her head.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the future of Republican politics.



Edit: For those that don't want to bother clicking here's the scaled down twitter message version of it:



They're actually even more grotesquely large on his page.

Feeds into the thing a while back "People with anime avatars generally have lovely opinions".



"Racists exist, can use Internet" isn't exactly news
[/quote]

I was just surprised how archaic the racism was. Who the hell would use Spear Chucker in the 21st century unless they're like over 70. They might as well be calling them Uncle.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

LOL who cares about the opinions of a child.*


*if their opinions are the same as mine or my team they're okay. Though seriously if they don't just parrot what their parents say and can give a good reason why they hold a position, good for them.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

twistedmentat posted:

I've noticed that if you inform them why Benghazi is not a scandal for hillary, they move onto the email, then they'll go to the Clinton Foundation, and then Vince Foster. Some Bernie supporters move goalposts faster than a Creationist.

What's truly stunning is when someone steps in and claims that, "See, Hillary just can't be trusted because of that pattern of scandals :smug:"

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Archonex posted:

Ahaha holy loving poo poo look at his twitter avatar. Literally an anime waifu with breasts bigger than her head.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the future of Republican politics.



Edit: For those that don't want to bother clicking here's the scaled down twitter message version of it:



They're actually even more grotesquely large on his page.

And this is the guy who wrote the anti-Hillary book that Trump is going to base next week's attack speech on? Am I understanding this correctly? This is where Trump is getting his anti-Hillary information?

It's going to be amazing.

Huzanko
Aug 4, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

theflyingorc posted:

It's news for people who like to pretend racism doesn't exist. There's a lot of those people.

Literally nobody thinks these people don't exist, they're just in denial about their influence
[/quote]

That's the more semantic version of what I was attempting to say.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

twistedmentat posted:

I've noticed that if you inform them why Benghazi is not a scandal for hillary, they move onto the email, then they'll go to the Clinton Foundation, and then Vince Foster. Some Bernie supporters move goalposts faster than a Creationist.


Reminder, the wingnut media machine stopped pushing Mr. Ben Ghazi so hard/dropped it and moved on to the emails when Clinton crushed her 11+ hour hearing. Bill's "got caught getting a BJ" hearing was only ~6 hours. IMO Clinton could go toe-to-toe with Putin in some weird KGB vs CIA torture duel.

Trump's a baby that told Comedy Central that his roast would have off limit jokes.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

And this is the guy who wrote the anti-Hillary book that Trump is going to base next week's attack speech on? Am I understanding this correctly? This is where Trump is getting his anti-Hillary information?

It's going to be amazing.

He is. These are some of the people the Republicans are courting this cycle. If they stick around and aren't used and discarded like so many other demographics in the party I guess that means that we'll see more of them in the future.

I for one eagerly await the day when Republican representatives openly blast meme ridden tweets and hate speech against minorities from behind the guise of a woman with back breaking mega tits or a disturbingly young loli dragon girl or whatever the gently caress creepy anime fans jerk off to nowadays.

But it's okay! You see, she's actually a thousand and ten years old in their head canon so it's totally not creepy at all so you have no right to vote them out! :argh:

Archonex fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 11, 2016

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

MariusLecter posted:

Trump Fans Honor Sasha Obama’s 15th Birthday By Telling Her To Go Spear-Chucking In Kenya
(IMAGES)



The comments include telling the girl that her mother is really a man and her father is a homosexual, that the entire family is destroying the country, that Sasha should go back to her Kenyan grass hut and spear chucking, and that she is not a real Obama at all. People, who have never even met a single person in this family are trying to tell Sasha Obama that she was purchased in order to create the appearance of family so that President Obama would be more easily elected, and thus, able to destroy America.

The party that goes after children at their own birthday to scream racist slurs at a 15 year old girl. But its absolutely wrong to crack one joke at Bush's daughters love of beer pong.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Crain posted:

:words: on FISMA
This is interesting, but largely irrelevant. When you're talking about improper disclosures of classified information, compliance with departmental IT policies are the least of your problems. The question of whether on not she was OK to use her personal server as an unclass server for DoS business is a different consideration than the fact that she had TS/SCI/SAP on it. It's like worrying about whether your registration was current when you t-boned another car after blowing through a red light while DUI.

Also, :lol: at the idea that the CIO was supposed to intervene to stop her from doing anything foolish, even if she blew the CIO off. That sort of defense is available if you're an IT flunky at the embassy in Ulaanbaatar, not when you're the Secretary of State and the CIO's boss.

Finally, if the Secretary of State is getting notifications about politically sensitive drone strikes, they probably aren't coming from the military. Yes, no one out side the military has an acknowledged armed drone program, but come the gently caress on. An exigent circumstances exception doesn't apply. Even if it did, an exigent circumstances defense only applies to the person who lacks the means to transmit critical classified information securely. If a Navy SEAL calls the CAOC from a cell phone to get immediate air support, (as seen in the hit 2007 movie "Transformers",) it doesn't relieve the recipient, who presumably has access to secure means of communication, from safeguarding whatever classified information he passes on. It definitely isn't a defense available to the sitting Secretary of State.

A Man With A Plan posted:

Haha yeah I've sent emails that say

" (S//NF) hey want to grab drinks friday? "

Which is why anyone saying that Clinton "should be able to recognize classified info" is 100% talking out their rear end
Except that you're talking about classified labels on information that doesn't require protection, whereas Clinton had SAP information that required protection but wasn't labeled. Which is a much bigger problem. And yes, the Secretary of State should be able to recognize SAP level information even if it isn't labeled as such. I could understand maybe collateral secret or confidential information flying under the radar, but seeing information from a SAP would be like seeing hardcore pornography on broadcast television. Even if you don't know the relevant law, it would be immediately apparent that it didn't belong.

Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jun 11, 2016

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Dead Reckoning posted:

more :words: Email BS

mods?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
I was never aware of the term "concern trolling" before all this email bullshit so at least I got something out of this.

cbservo
Dec 26, 2009

by exmarx
I have a Facebook people that are proudly posting their voter registrations after leaving the Democrat party.

Good job, guys! Follow Bernie back to his Independent party, that'll solve everything. Hope none of you want to be selected delegates.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Dead Reckoning posted:

This is interesting, but largely irrelevant. When you're talking about improper disclosures of classified information

Stopped reading right here. Go ahead and cite where this happened. Bear in mind, that after the fact classification of information doesn't make the original transmission illegal retroactively illegal.

Also, I wish the media never discovered the term "SAP" because it's used all the time without understanding what it really means. While the granting of SCI eligibility also denotes TS eligibility, SAP and SCI elements are not necessarily TS. They are also not a "level" but rather a sub-set. They're simply a control measure within the body of individuals who may have a level of clearance. DR seems to understand some of this. I suspect DR is what we would call "someone who knows just enough to be dangerous" or commonly referred to around the office as "a loving idiot"

Boon fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jun 11, 2016

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

quote:

Campbell Brown, a former CNN anchor and founder of the education news site the74.org, moderated the session with Ryan and grilled him about his decision. She told him that her young son, who knows and admires Ryan, came into the bedroom the morning after he had announced his support for Trump dismayed by the news.

How would you explain this to a child? Brown asked Ryan. The speaker appeared uncomfortable.

Gotta say, I'm impressed with Campbell Brown here. This could be the first time in history that "how do I explain that to my son/daughter" has actually been used in a valid manner. You broke her son's heart Paul D. Ryan. You broke his heart.

Gyges fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jun 11, 2016

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Gyges posted:

Gotta say, I'm impressed with Campbell Brown here. This could be the first time in history that "how do I explain that to my son/daughter" has actually been used in a valid manner. You broke her son's heart Paul D. Ryan. You broke his heart.

His young son knows and admires Paul Ryan? Christ kid find a better person to idolize.

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Was going to ask what Vince McMahon had to do with Hillary since Trump showed up on RAW but then I remembered the word filter.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Boon posted:

Stopped reading right here. Go ahead and cite where this happened. Bear in mind, that after the fact classification of information doesn't make the original transmission illegal retroactively illegal.
I said improper, not illegal. Even if, somehow, it turns out that nothing legally actionable occurred, there was still classified information being stored/transmitted improperly.

Also, if you're handling classified, I'd hope you'd understand that "retroactive classification" isn't a thing. If information is determined to be classified, it was always classified, just improperly labeled before. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that, if another OCA looked at the information and determined that it needed protection, and was butting heads with State about it, it probably wasn't information that originated within the Secretary of State's office.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I was never aware of the term "concern trolling" before all this email bullshit so at least I got something out of this.

Oh quite the opposite, now you're able to identify concern trolling out in the wild now.

Unless if you stop reading news comment sections forever. Actually, that might be the only way to combat it and actually make it a novel thing in the future vs being surrounded by examples at all times.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Dead Reckoning posted:

I said improper, not illegal. Even if, somehow, it turns out that nothing legally actionable occurred, there was still classified information being stored/transmitted improperly.

Also, if you're handling classified, I'd hope you'd understand that "retroactive classification" isn't a thing. If information is determined to be classified, it was always classified, just improperly labeled before. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that, if another OCA looked at the information and determined that it needed protection, and was butting heads with State about it, it probably wasn't information that originated within the Secretary of State's office.

lmbo

Ralepozozaxe
Sep 6, 2010

A Veritable Smorgasbord!

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

His young son knows and admires Paul Ryan? Christ kid find a better person to idolize.

Ryan just teaching the kids early that he ain't no hero.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Dead Reckoning posted:

I said improper, not illegal. Even if, somehow, it turns out that nothing legally actionable occurred, there was still classified information being stored/transmitted improperly.

Also, if you're handling classified, I'd hope you'd understand that "retroactive classification" isn't a thing. If information is determined to be classified, it was always classified, just improperly labeled before.

The word "classified" was chosen specifically because it referred to segregating information by labeling it as sensitive (i.e., classifying it.). The concept of information being "born secret" is unconstitutional nonsense.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

If Paul Ryan reaches a breaking point and has a literal meltdown over this how much damage could he do to the GOP as a whole?

Depends on what he'd do. Step down as Speaker would cause a bit because this election would see a ton of attacks on the GOP being so hosed up that they can't even get someone to stay Speaker anymore. If he said gently caress You Tea Party and took the moderates with him to work with the Democrats in the House it'd probably rip the party in two unless all the megadonors started crushing the far right primary opponents, which wouldn't happen.

twistedmentat posted:

and then Vince Foster.

This filter is going to get so much use during the 4-8 years of Clinton's presidency.

Dead Reckoning posted:

Also, if you're handling classified, I'd hope you'd understand that "retroactive classification" isn't a thing. If information is determined to be classified, it was always classified, just improperly labeled before.

Says a goon who I'm guessing has never held a security clearance at any point in their life.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Nothing would make me happier than watching Paul Ryan stepping down as SoH after only a few months.

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science

theflyingorc posted:

So, meanwhile in US Politics...

http://theweek.com/speedreads/629494/mitt-romney-refuses-endorse-donald-trumps-trickledown-bigotry

Mitt Romney talks about how garbage trump is, says he'll cause "trickle down bigotry".

If only Romney was president everyone here illegally would have self-deported and we wouldn't have to worry about "trickle-down bigotry".

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Dead Reckoning posted:



Also, :lol: at the idea that the CIO was supposed to intervene to stop her from doing anything foolish, even if she blew the CIO off. That sort of defense is available if you're an IT flunky at the embassy in Ulaanbaatar, not when you're the Secretary of State and the CIO's boss.


That's not how the hierarchy in the government works. It's nothing like a CEO telling IT lacky #5 to just get him a new computer even though there's a waiting list.

She can exert that kind of control on her personal staff, but she can't fire the CIO anymore than she could fire a janitor who mops the the state department floors.

Even though the CIO is below the SoS as far as overall "prestige" they are parallel in effect. So yes, the CIO is responsible for ensuring that the systems under his/her purview are being used and maintained to FISMA standards.


Dead Reckoning posted:

When you're talking about improper disclosures of classified information, compliance with departmental IT policies are the least of your problems.

[Citation Needed]

Crain fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jun 11, 2016

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


quote:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/06/10/50-times-co-author-trump-s-go-anti-clinton-book-has-tweeted-slur-friend of the family/210858

https://twitter.com/RobMorroLiberty?ref_src=twsrc

You guys should check out his Twitter it's a loving proclick. Racism, homophobia and rating anime girls by a Texas Politician (sorta NSFW).

What a time to be alive.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


SSNeoman posted:

https://twitter.com/RobMorroLiberty?ref_src=twsrc

You guys should check out his Twitter it's a loving proclick. Racism, homophobia and rating anime girls by a Texas Politician (sorta NSFW).

What a time to be alive.

He seems legit mentally ill.

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Holy poo poo, Robert morrow has an actual connection to the general election now? Is Trump using his book a new thing or have people here known about it for a while? I thought he was just some hilarious accident that coincidentally happened to perfectly represent the modern GOP.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Archonex posted:

Ahaha holy loving poo poo look at his twitter avatar. Literally an anime waifu with breasts bigger than her head.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the future of Republican politics.



Edit: For those that don't want to bother clicking here's the scaled down twitter message version of it:



They're actually even more grotesquely large on his page.

In the short time since posting this he has changed his twitter icon to a different large titty anime lady

e:
https://twitter.com/RobMorroLiberty/status/741668281199665152

Good Citizen fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jun 11, 2016

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Who was the guy who said Trump supporters masturbated to anime?

Because, I mean.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Nessus posted:

Who was the guy who said Trump supporters masturbated to anime?

Because, I mean.

No one ever said he was wrong, just... no one ever figured that would be something uttered on tv wrt a Presidential Election.

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time

And to top it off, a ringing endorsement for the guy who'll be using his book to attack Hillary.

https://twitter.com/robmorroliberty/status/741717769587032064

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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



The pact that the Clintons sealed with Vince Foster's blood is coming to its final climax. Trump may not deliver, but Satan does.

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