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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Isn't Gary Johnson currently winning in Utah? No but Utah is tied, 35 each with Johnson at 13. Also Mia Love is down five against her Democratic challenger.
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Gail Wynand posted:How often do people report for debriefing because they saw some article on Snowden in the paper meaning they now know SAP information? i know some IC guys irl who won't read the yospos security thread because snowden stuff regularly gets posted there
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Well this will be a fun week. As mentioned in the D&D chat thread, there are reports (e.g. BBC) of an active shooter with up to 20 wounded or dead in an Orlando night club (possibly a gay club). So get ready for another round of poo poo about gun control and how it will never happen. https://twitter.com/Journo_Christal/status/741896325403410432
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Jun 12, 2016 08:39
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If I'm not mistaken a singer was also murdered in Florida yesterday during a post-concert meet-and-greet.
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Jun 12, 2016 08:41
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gradenko_2000 posted:If I'm not mistaken a singer was also murdered in Florida yesterday during a post-concert meet-and-greet. Also in Orlando!
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Jun 12, 2016 08:43
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Let's just get this out of the way: the answer is more guns, or at least do nothing about guns. Right?
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Jun 12, 2016 08:43
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Mavric posted:Let's just get this out of the way: the answer is more guns, or at least do nothing about guns. Right? More guns for the good guys. Fewer (but not zero!) guns for the bad guys.
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Jun 12, 2016 08:47
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EDIT: Nah, that was tacky.
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Jun 12, 2016 08:52
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Mavric posted:Let's just get this out of the way: the answer is more guns, or at least do nothing about guns. Right? If the shooter was of a certain religion or ethnicity, it's also less Muslims. If it was an Islam-influenced attack on a gay nightclub, expect ludicrous amounts of thinly veiled schadenfreude and SHARIA LAW! from the right.
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Dead Reckoning posted:EDIT: Nah, that was tacky. You said to ban murder out right. I think we already did that, maybe we should also focus on the tools that allow murder to happen easily.... Naaaaa that's too tacky.
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Jun 12, 2016 09:00
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This isn't on NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, or CNN. Not a single headline. So, ummmm But that is the real BBC website and twitter is blowing up with this. So what the gently caress? Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Jun 12, 2016 09:06
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Antti posted:If the shooter was of a certain religion or ethnicity, it's also less Muslims. if it was an islam influenced attack on a gay nightclub, perhaps we can also talk about the dangerous levels of homophobia in the Islamic faith just as we would if it were a fundamentalist Christian.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This isn't on NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, or CNN. Not a single headline. So, ummmm EDIT: Oh hey, now they're organizing EOD units. That bodes well for for absolutely nothing. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Jun 12, 2016 09:13
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Wow, looking on twitter this has been trending for literally an hour. Both "Orlando" and "Pulse." And not a single major news agency in the US picked up on it until a few minutes ago. Even though tons of foreign agencies did. What the gently caress
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This isn't on NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, or CNN. Not a single headline. So, ummmm Gurdian has it as well: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/12/orlando-shooting-nightclub-pulse-gunman Apparently the British news media just cares more about the American gay community than the American news media  Its probably just chance and I assume most of the other networks are still writing something up. Although you would at least expect a breaking banner or something. Edit: Also the Australian news media now has it: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-12/florida-police-confirm-shooting-at-orlando-nightclub/7503770 http://www.smh.com.au/world/orlando-florida-nightclub-shooting-multiple-people-being-held-20160612-gphea8.html (from 20 minutes ago, with video outside the club) Now on CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/index.html?adkey=bn dr_rat fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This isn't on NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, or CNN. Not a single headline. So, ummmm It's almost like dead LGBT people aren't very interesting (the real reason is most newdesks don't have big staff at 4 am, while BBC has their main newsdesk up already since they're 5 hours ahead of us )
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Jun 12, 2016 09:17
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Reports currently say 20 wounded. So expect that go to 2-3 dead and 25 wounded in a little bit and then soon after make a huge jump to 15 dead, 20 wounded because ITS THE SAME loving STORY EVERY SINGLE TIME AND NOTHING EVER loving CHANGES
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Jun 12, 2016 09:20
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Reports currently say 20 wounded. So expect that go to 2-3 dead and 25 wounded in a little bit and then soon after make a huge jump to 15 dead, 20 wounded because ITS THE SAME loving STORY EVERY SINGLE TIME AND NOTHING EVER loving CHANGES There's apparently a hostage situation and he might have a bomb strapped to him.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:There's apparently a hostage situation and he might have a bomb strapped to him. Some reports have specifically stated no bomb. But honestly it's best not to trust any news reports at the moment. Early news reports on these things normally seem to get most key facts wrong.
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Jun 12, 2016 09:26
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dr_rat posted:Apparently the British news media just cares more about the American gay community than the American news media Or maybe it's because most of the US is asleep while it's morning in London. You'll start to see coverage from American media in a couple hours.
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Jun 12, 2016 09:32
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Prepare for tons of scattered reports that there were multiple shooters when there was only one and that it turned out the gunman shot himself 5 minutes after the massacre started and there were never any hostages taken to begin with.
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Jun 12, 2016 09:33
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Reports currently say 20 wounded. So expect that go to 2-3 dead and 25 wounded in a little bit and then soon after make a huge jump to 15 dead, 20 wounded because ITS THE SAME loving STORY EVERY SINGLE TIME AND NOTHING EVER loving CHANGES 2nd AMENDMENT! THIS IS WHAT THE FOUNDERS WANTED! 
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Jun 12, 2016 09:38
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ErIog posted:Or maybe it's because most of the US is asleep while it's morning in London. You'll start to see coverage from American media in a couple hours. CNN, MSNBC, and FOX news aren't some dinky local paper. While there's a bit of truth to that, all of them should have well enough people working the night shift to get something up.
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Jun 12, 2016 09:58
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Orlando Police report controlled explosion by law enforcement. They cancelled a scheduled press brief and said any updates will be provided on twitter. https://twitter.com/OrlandoPolice/status/741919251678826496
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Radish posted:He likes Asuka over Rei so he's right at least on that one. leave this thread
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icantfindaname posted:leave this thread He's not wrong.
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Radish posted:He likes Asuka over Rei so he's right at least on that one. Delete your account
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Jun 12, 2016 10:56
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Mass shootings (or whatever term is appropriate) have become the backdrop to American life and are common enough that we have started to ignore them. They are kinda like bad weather in that you hear about it, think "wow it sucks that guy's house got hit by a tornado" then go back to whatever you were doing since there's nothing we can do to stop them with so many politicians actively hindering any attempt. Now that they have become so pervasive, gun rights people have shifted to "statistically you won't get killed in a mass shooting" which is true but there's a lot of things I probably won't get killed by that I still want to actually deal with and stop happening. Also salty Rei fans in this thread.
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Jun 12, 2016 11:18
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Single payer GunCare for all. No exception. You will be provided with and accept 1 Rifle, 1 Shotgun, and 1 Handgun. Ammo delivered yearly with the phone book for all three. Mandatory carry of all 3 at all times. Replace the Flag with a literal carpet of live cartridges. 
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Plus every time there is a shoot and we on SA have the good oll 2nd amendment debate which has a few different flavor from word definition to historical context, sometimes a poster goes into detail about the history of NRA and court rules etc. My take on it is this. Gun owners have a dog in that fight because gun control directly affects their property. Where as the pro gun control group doesnt. I think this leads the pro gun control group to support any and all legislation, regardless of the logic or effectiveness of the legislation. The result is we end up with a lot of do nothing regulations. When gun owner seek to debate said legislation, they basically get a "gently caress you, well regulated, muskets only, no one should have guns" response rather than a well reason argument on why its a good thing a pistol magazine holds 10 bullets and not 13, or why its bad for a rifle to have a pistol grip vs a thumb hole stock. So basically the relationship is very antagonistic with eachother. The only way forward I can see that has a chance is for the pro gun control people to go Pro Gun. Do a grande bargain say its clear there is a problem the current laws arent working. Scrap the current laws reform a bunch of poo poo. Tell people they can buy machine guns and what ever else they want, in return for some laws that really do something. gently caress get the gun lobby to create their own loving proposal and go from there.
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I was looking up relative rates of gun-related homicides by country and found this gem: https://mises.org/blog/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries quote:Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan. When you compare US gun death rates to Venezuela it's not so bad! Problem solved.
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Uhh is that implying that not being one ethnic group if why the US needs to have guns? 
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Radish posted:Uhh is that implying that not being one ethnic group if why the US needs to have guns? That's exactly what it's saying. You'll hear it explicitly from people who want to make excuses for why the US can't be like the rest of the developed world.
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Orlando PD just held a press conference, said 42 taken to local hospitals, around 20 dead remain inside club. They confirmed there was a hostage situation that was resolved when police breached a wall. They confirmed a single suspect, killed at the scene by police. Armed with handgun, "assault-type" rifle, and wearing a "device" that was destroyed by police. They are still investigating other suspicious "devices" found at the scene. OPD and FBI said they were treating this as an act of terrorism but were very careful to state that they are investigating all angles/not ruling anything out. One officer referred to this as "domestic terrorism" then another was careful to say they are investigating this as terrorism, whether domestic or foreign is not certain. Another briefing is scheduled for 9:30. Sharkie fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Jun 12, 2016 12:36
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lol at people getting spun up about the US MEDIA ignoring this at 5am on a Subday
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Sharkie posted:Orlando PD just held a press conference, said 42 taken to local hospitals, around 20 dead remain inside club. They confirmed there was a hostage situation that was resolved when police breached a wall. And unsurprisingly that's causing people to immediately jump to islam/jihad comments on social media because obviously only brown people can be terrorists.
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PST posted:And unsurprisingly that's causing people to immediately jump to islam/jihad comments on social media because obviously only brown people can be terrorists. Actually the FBI guy said there were reasons to believe he had "Islamic Terrorist leanings". And the way the local cop jumped in to say they were sure he "wasn't local" makes me believe the killer had to be some shade of brown, unfortunately.
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Radish posted:Mass shootings (or whatever term is appropriate) have become the backdrop to American life and are common enough that we have started to ignore them.
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